Extraction of caffeine from CWE solution - IT'S TRUE!

[hail the poppy]

for all the people who isn't really you who have been on the quest to get the caffeine out of the codeine/caffeine solution after a cwe then read on. swim has stumbled upon a tried and true,easy at home method. After the cwe procedure is final simply filter the solution through some activated carbon (available at any local pet shop for just a few bucks) and you will have a caffeine free solution. All swim uses is one of them permanent coffee filter but any small screen strainer will work and dumped the solution through it with a small amount of the carbon in it for several minutes from cup to cup. Rinse the activated carbon first to avoid a black solution. The bonus is the carbon also filters out any remaining acetaminophen that might have remained after cold water extraction. happy extracting.

[gotxp]

has this been confirmed? ... so what you are saying after u have the cwe'ed water solution, filter it thought some activated carbon... to get pure codeine phosphate solution?... this is quite interesting... how r u certain it removed the caffeine?

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just curious if swim did this... then with the codeine phosphate solution if he basified it with say baking soda... and evaporated with low heat... could one get codeine freebase that way?... either way this method of caffeine removal is quite intriguing

[0utrider]

swim is also very intersting in this method, also in order to complete his CWE-faq (see my signature)

[gotxp]

are you sure this wouldnt just remove all alkaloids from the solution... I mean, if the carbon is just a fine filter... why would it prevent caffeine but not codeine?

[hail the poppy]

not sure but i know the carbon gets the caffeine out because swim dont feel no jitter . swim uses this only as a means to sleep when dope sick. with out filtering with carbon swim twitches the fuck out for 1-2 hours and can only sleep after crashing from the caffeine buzz. After activated carbon filtration swim gets a warm fuzzy opiate tingle with NO caffeine up or crash. swim can feel the absence of the caffeine big time

[0utrider]

well would be nice if SWIY could actually try to get the codeine work (not caffeine), like being 100% sure its working, so i can add it to the faq, since this question is one of the last "problems" with cwes

[OhCasey]

The Question should be does SwiHail feel the codiene the same with or without the caffiene or charcoal filtering. If so thats good enough for swim.

[0utrider]

not only for him !!!!

[gotxp]

swim will try this... hail, do you notice the same opiate high? like does it feel like 300 mg is 300 mg... not something less (as in codeine also being trapped)

[gotxp]

swim just extracted 40 tabs --> 320mg of codeine.. then did an activated carbon filter... he filled the coffee filter 1/2 full of activated carbon... the water became much clearer... almost as clear as water... swim did a taste test, and it was still as bitter as ever (good)... so swim just administered the dose.. and will report back later.

[0utrider]

SWIM is really excited !

[gotxp]

the codeine is kicking in... and swim does feel laughier, warmer, and calmer... and less nauseous then he normally does at that dose... he will continue to ride this out, and report back any changes... but, swim is starting to be convinced that it did at least remove most of the caffeine..

SWIM means the taste definitely indicated the high presence of codeine... hed say if it was tested it also would show zero aspirin/acetaminophen (as hailthepoppy said)... swim was really impressed at how clear, and yet still bitter the liquid was... it definitely so far is more enjoyable than other times at this dose...

-good find hailthepoppy...-

however swim would still like to find a way to determine of the codeine content was affected

[0utrider]

i found this on decaffeination (of coffe)

[top]Swiss Water Process

With this particular process, green coffee beans are soaked in hot water as a way of removing the caffeine along with the compounds that give the coffee most of its rich flavor. Interestingly, the first batch of beans soaked are discarded. However, the solution left is stripped of the caffeine using activated carbon filters. The result is a solution that has flavor compounds, which is used for soaking a second batch of green coffee beans. In other words, the solution is filled with all the components soluble in water, minus the caffeine. The one problem with this process is that the flavors are often intermixed since the saturated solution is used time after time.

so SWIM guess it does work, about the pcm etc SWIM dont know, also no about codeine, would be nice if some people'd give it a try to find out
but SWIM assumes that if the solution is clear the pcm etc will be filtered out, since they have this typical milky/snowy color

and the other question is, jus like SWIY said, wouldn that make any CWE unnecessary and useless, if it would actually work that easy (and the same amount or even less codeine gets lost )<- i guess thats the most important part for non-caffeine products ?

[gotxp]

here is a responce I got on another forum

by leoside:
' The activated charcoal would most likely pull out the flat, planar conjugated systems like tylenol and caffeine in favour of the codeine.

Charcoal is just layer upon layer of conjugated pi systems. In theory it should work, but codeine would be lost aswell.. just as some product is always lost when activated charcoal is used.

It ultimately comes down to the size of the pores..'

[0utrider]

so what exactly does that mean? are there different sizes available? couldn't one look for sizes that just the codeine go thorugh?

and btw how is SWIYs experiment going? owuld be nice if he could test that without tolerance in order to approve it for sure

[Ididnotinhale]

just curious if swim did this... then with the codeine phosphate solution if he basified it with say baking soda... and evaporated with low heat... could one get codeine freebase that way?... either way this method of caffeine removal is quite intriguing[/QUOTE]

Why would swiy want a freebase instead of just pure codeine? Swim has never heard anything positive about smoking codeine.

[gotxp]

SWIM is also interested in the freebase thing... swim believes that could work if the evaporation occured with low heat... most people suggest an acid/base extraction to get the freebase... swim tried it with naoh... and evaporated, and the result seemed like a codeine freebase.... but, swim tossed the product, cause there was inconsistencies, and he thinks he made the solution way too basic... so didnt want to chance hurting his lungs.. swim is considering trying it again with baking soda... but, will wait to see if there is a useful reply to this

[gotxp]

Originally Posted by outriderx

so what exactly does that mean? are there different sizes available? couldn't one look for sizes that just the codeine go thorugh?

and btw how is SWIYs experiment going? owuld be nice if he could test that without tolerance in order to approve it for sure

yeah swim isnt sure what he meant by that... swim has pretty much come down now... it was definitly smoother with less jitters... definitely a huge reduction on the caffeine.. but swim has a bit of a opiate tolerance right now... so he'd prefer to get someone elses opinion who has tried it.. but swim would say he didnt feel any of the caffeine effects, but lots of nice opiate effects... I suspose swim could do a CWE then AC filter... and then evaporate... and weigh the yield.. cause if there was just codeine phosphate... with 200 tabs he should recover around 1.6 grams (minus amount lost in the process).. where as with the caffeine swim would recover around 4.8 grams of material.. however if the process reduced both this estimation may not be that useful

[OhCasey]

Originally Posted by gotxp

SWIM is also interested in the freebase thing... swim believes that could work if the evaporation occured with low heat... most people suggest an acid/base extraction to get the freebase... swim tried it with naoh... and evaporated, and the result seemed like a codeine freebase.... but, swim tossed the product, cause there was inconsistencies, and he thinks he made the solution way too basic... so didnt want to chance hurting his lungs.. swim is considering trying it again with baking soda... but, will wait to see if there is a useful reply to this

Low heat i wouldnt go over 80 degrees.

[gotxp]

is that degrees F or C?

[OhCasey]

Celsius

[0utrider]

SWIM is also interested in the freebase thing... swim believes that could work if the evaporation occured with low heat... most people suggest an acid/base extraction to get the freebase... swim tried it with naoh... and evaporated, and the result seemed like a codeine freebase.... but, swim tossed the product, cause there was inconsistencies, and he thinks he made the solution way too basic... so didnt want to chance hurting his lungs.. swim is considering trying it again with baking soda... but, will wait to see if there is a useful reply to this

ok guys forget about the freebase blablabla, you cannot smoke codeine! it has to be taken orally in order for the liver to transform it to the active metbolite morphine.. however, this should also not (yet) be discussed here, since you'd nett a shitload of CWE/Carbon-filtered stuff and also we still don't for sure know if this carbon things do work, and how pure it is, cuz if its not pure (i.e. containing fillers, pcm, caffeine, etc) one could also forget about going any further to making anything with it / it would be a big waste of time. those who know how to make that wouldn ask here to filter codeine... so bottomline: lets concentrate on the topic, and find out if carbon filtering works!

[gotxp]

Originally Posted by OhCasey

Celsius

yeah assumed otherwise in some climates it was becomes useless at room temp :P

[gotxp]

Originally Posted by outriderx

ok guys forget about the freebase blablabla, you cannot smoke codeine! it has to be taken orally in order for the liver to transform it to the active metbolite morphine.. however, this should also not (yet) be discussed here, since you'd nett a shitload of CWE/Carbon-filtered stuff and also we still don't for sure know if this carbon things do work, and how pure it is, cuz if its not pure (i.e. containing fillers, pcm, caffeine, etc) one could also forget about going any further to making anything with it / it would be a big waste of time. those who know how to make that wouldn ask here to filter codeine... so bottomline: lets concentrate on the topic, and find out if carbon filtering works!

agreed we will make another topic or something for the freebase discussion... ps: swim has head smoking does work just not immediately as most smoked drugs work... as once the blood passes around to the liver again it is demethylated into active morphine... however, I agree.. lets focus on the topic at hand... AC filtering

[0utrider]

yeah it might work, but this would be just stupid, why wouldyou wanna smoke something, where a whole lot gets destroyed by the flames, and the rest takes a long time till your body absorbes it, if you might aswell take it orally and also not damage your liver..

however, any infos on the AC filtering?