terminally ill wants to start enjoy life through drugs

[markxs]

As i said i have an illnes that at the moment has no cure,this leves me extreamly fateged & now with the on set of dementure,i want to know if there is any preperations that would give me mental & physical energy so i can have an enjoyable life,rather than just an exsistence.

[cannagirl]

If swim was dying and there was no way around it. swim would most definitely start a serious heroin habit. No doubt. Thats just what swim would do.

Sorry man.

[razorwiredildo]

check out the nootropics forum. i dont know much about them, but there might be something that can help.


http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=172

Amphetamines might be worth looking into also, but they put a lot of stress on your body, might not be your best option.

[ILoveYou]

Watch self-incrimination please learn to use SWIM(Someone Who Isn't Me) or something similar. As far as stimulants go my puppy can't think of anything that wouldn't take a toll on swiy's body. Swiy might want to go in the opposite direction and try different suppressants(sp?) i.e., oxycontin, heroin, various opiates stuff like that. If my puppy were dying she'd probably want to take a lot of phychedelics, but she doesn't know how your mental health is so she can't really recommend that. Good luck to you.

ILoveYou.

[finriswolf]

Originally Posted by markxs

As i said i have an illnes that at the moment has no cure,this leves me extreamly fateged & now with the on set of dementure,i want to know if there is any preperations that would give me mental & physical energy so i can have an enjoyable life,rather than just an exsistence.

It would be very tragic if SWIY were found cold and dead with needles sticking out of SWIY's arms the day before a cure is found for what SWIY has. Just sayin.......

Also, many people live far beyond estimates given - anything is possible and an H habit is far from ALL fun-n-games (eg,. source dries up, withdrawls etc.). I see where you are coming from but SWIM would hate to see someone live the last months/years of their lives strung out and possibly is more pain than before starting a habit. Always have faith. Good luck to you.

Fin

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good advice

[snapper]

What might be the illness in question? It would help with coming up with an answer.

[~lostgurl~]

If you are dying I'm sure your Dr would be more than happy to prescribe you with anything that could improve the quality of your life. Sorry to hear of your illness and I really hope you find something to help you through this very difficult time.

[markxs]

Thank,s 4 ur riply u have real empathy , i will keep on looking 4 somthing to give me the energy & try & find something that will enable me 2 lead a moore productive life , i have a lot of ceare 2 give & that is what i want 2 do,but i have 2 sort my self out , so that i can hellp others.

[sweetsugar]

Originally Posted by ~lostgurl~

If you are dying I'm sure your Dr would be more than happy to prescribe you with anything that could improve the quality of your life. Sorry to hear of your illness and I really hope you find something to help you through this very difficult time.

Totally true and would have to agree - IF SWIM was in swiys situation,she'd be going out with a blast! Am too truley sorry to hear of your situation.

SWIMs friend has cancer and asked [his doc] for something to make his day a little bit more bareable, mentally. His doc has given him a pot full of valiume. (Diazepam) He says [swims friend] he could as no doubt ask for anything!

[stoneinfocus]

Epo, eythropoietin, growth hormones if it´s no cancer, maybe swim would try different stims, cocaine, MDMA @ a low dose... or anything that lifts Dopamine, like d-bol, testosterone... check it with your doc or better on the inter-net, pub-med, elsevier and if this would interfere with swiy´s condition negatively.

[stoneinfocus]

Yeah, maybe swim wouldn´t risk an addiction to the black-market, if there´s no connection already, so the doc would probalby prescribe stims, valium, opiates, if asked for it.

[sweetsweetmary]

If swim has never done acid, SWIM would recommend really high doses. Become spiritual and Live. Unless of course mental illness runs in SWIY's family.

[rxbandit]

Originally Posted by sweetsweetmary

If swim has never done acid, SWIM would recommend really high doses. Become spiritual and Live. Unless of course mental illness runs in SWIY's family.

MAPS is actually conducting studies with LSD to help those who are terminally ill to overcome their fear of death and live their final days in peace. It may be worth looking into, as it sounds like they are fairly successful in their trials.

their newest updates can be found here; http://www.maps.org/sys/nq.pl?id=1547&fmt=stdnews

I would also encourage you to browse their site as they have alot of interesting research about drug use and its benefit for the terminally ill or those with other difficult psychological illness'.

Hope all goes well for you.

[pinkandfluffy]

Definately psychedelics, esp. if you don't want to have a big toll on your body.

[psyche]

SWIM would highly recommend psychedelics. Ayahuasca in particular might be just what SWIY is looking for. SWIMs own experience has shown that everytime after a big dose he looks at death as a natural phenomena and as just a very big step forward. People also frequently report feeling like they are dying or are dead during the trip, and that is definately what SWIM has had happen to him many, many times. Right after such an experience, he is able to find great joy in the most mundane things in life and feels more alive than ever. He would be lying to if he said that he certainly wouldn't be afraid when the moment comes, but he feels like at that moment he wouldn't need to carry any worries with him but just let it go and see where it takes him. He has became certain that life/consciousness goes on after death, there is no reason to believe that the occurance that put 'you' together with 'your' body wouldn't happen again, that it had been just a trivial case. None whatsoever. And it isn't in conflict with physical worldview at all if one doesn't throw in the mix some personal gods and heaven -stories, that were meant to be understood metaphorically. It's just that people have developed communication skills and have found that they don't know all the answers based on this life and that bothers them. "If we don't know it, it must not exist".

Opiates could be nice also if SWIY can have a steady supply of them. GHB/GBL is in SWIMs opinion also a very nice drug and doesn't have such a addiction potential than opiates, but isn't perfectly safe to use continnously either. Kava-Kava would be very nice and effective herb to use basically all day long if one wants to with maximal joy component with least damage to your body or addiction.

[snapper]

SWIM would like to point out that recommending some drugs could be less than beneficial if a terminally ill individual were on the wrong medications or had the wrong condition. For instance, what if said individual were on medication with MAOI properties ? SWIM has all the sympathy in the world for someone in this position and has had to care for a few loved ones in hospice, but SWIM thinks it is important that the condition and existing medications be known and ideally said individual's doctor make the decisions if possible.
Markxs mentioned 'dementure' as a problem - would ayahuasca or LSD really be a good idea if this refers to dementia ? Members should be careful in their recommendations without adequate information.
One of SWIM's family members that had terminal cancer was prescribed ritalin by their doc for fatigue due to the cancer and the narcotics. Adderall would also be something an MD could provide for energy if fatigue is the problem as mentioned in the beginning of this thread.

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	great harm reduction!
	Sound and considerate advice.

[fnord]

DMT,LSD,Ibogaine,DPT,Mushrooms,Ayahusacha.

From everthing ive read about people that use drugs these were the drugs that IMHO taught there users the most about life and death while at the same time(some) are very enjoyable and provide hours of peafull bliss and happynes. If one were determined enough they could grow lots of mushrooms VERY quickly,mescaline containing cacti can be found all over the internet/auction sites etc. I dont feel opiates are the answer here,opiates will make you tired/too relaxed to want to go do anything fun and im sure you want to do something more then just lay around relaxed all the time.

[stoneinfocus]

EPO ist great for fatigue, it blows it away, is safe even in cancer, and has a broad pharmacological application-pattern.

Swim remembers an outgrown fatigue, literally blown away, likre rust from iron, with just 10.000IU of Eprex in 10-20 days, by 500-1000IU daily IV. 500IV/day seemed to be the most effective, strangely, as IM or sub-q is thought to be more effective, but that was with much higher doses and in dialysis-patients.

Some considerations should be taken with stims and epo, but it doesn´t appear to hold much truth, when taken not so long and below a thershold of say 10-20K IU/week.

[snapper]

Is epo epogen (erythropoeitin) ? If so, it would only help if someone were anemic. Otherwise it could be dangerous to use since people can die from bloodclots and poor circulation due to polycythemia. Again, it is dangerous to make suggestions without an appropriate background. Dialysis patients would have anemia from renal failure and would need erythropoeitin to survive, but fatigue does not always equate to anemia.

[stoneinfocus]

Originally Posted by snapper

Is epo epogen (erythropoeitin) ? If so, it would only help if someone were anemic. Otherwise it could be dangerous to use since people can die from bloodclots and poor circulation due to polycythemia. Again, it is dangerous to make suggestions without an appropriate background. Dialysis patients would have anemia from renal failure and would need erythropoeitin to survive, but fatigue does not always equate to anemia.

Swim is very experienced, and it helps with many things, while being totally benign; it´s exaggerated by pro-athletes et al. so they keep their advantage by scaring people off, or trying to not make people take drugs, that actually work or people that are regarded as too stupid for handling a drug by themselves.

Someone taking say 20.000IU spread over 4-6 week and does this twice a year, will be at the same risk as drinking orange juice, while fighting impaired cognitive functions and fatigue excellently.(some tour riders took 100.000IU a week, so it´s been told)

I can´t tell how much swim is disgusted, by some argumetns of "honest" dying without drugs. It´s an act of mercy and a great relieve in being able to choose wehter to die of the drug´s side-effects or due to the sickness,
and it´s very doubtful, thinking about wether the drugs or the illness made someone malnutritioned and throwing off.When a chronically ill or even a helathy person can benefit greatyl from drugs, so will the deadly ill. Just swim´s 2 cents....

Most of the chronically ill report of opiates being nearyl solely postitve in regards to their condition, but then again, if something can´t be fought and is caused by a hit of fate, someone probably needs something to hate.
To close with a quote:"Which medicine is too bitter for the dying?"

[purplehaze]

Swims aunt has a similiar situation. She has a serious deadly disease and is expected to die. The doctor would write her whatever she wants. She got strung out on benzos and opiates and now she cant eat anything. If she does she can't keep it down, she throws up and actually at one point turned purple from malnutrition.

See the thing is, being brutally honest about it. She doesnt want to die, its just happening. She thought by taking drugs until she was dead would help, now the drugs are taking more toll on her body than the disease. The drugs would have killed her before the disease and now she has to sober up while having a disease.

Personally i would not recommend anything that could harm your body, because chances are, you might live longer than you think.

If you do decide to do heavy things because you feel like your in so bad of shape, i would do it sparringly, space it out over time. Probably not at all, and before making a rash decision think would you have done it if the stakes werent so high?

I would say live life the best you can, from now on think of the future not the past. Live life one day at a time, enjoy yourself. Do not worry about what others think, make a world of your own. If you are going to do drugs, cuz your so down, and you need something to pick you up again and lift your spirits, remember lifes a bitch theres always repercussion.

I dont want to contradict myself, but weed shouldnt hurt your body or cause any physical harm to you. As far as improving the quality of your life, probably.

Reputation Comments on this post:

	Well said. Hard to do in the midst - but your plug for cannabis was well stated.
	thanks, too true. a friend of mine was supposed to die by 2003 and is now working fulltime again

[Tick]

psychedelics...if swiy is going to become gradually more frail and immobile, at least free the mind to ponder and appreciate things beyond what the weakened body can experience. swiy could also take them as you pass on a la aldous huxley

[purplehaze]

Huxley was a writer, she wrote books as I googled it. I still don't understand what that comment means, but just passing on the info.

[fnord]

Originally Posted by purplehaze

Huxley was a writer, she wrote books as I googled it. I still don't understand what that comment means, but just passing on the info.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldous_Huxley

Huxley was a humanist but was also interested towards the end of his life in spiritual subjects such as parapsychology and philosophical mysticism. By the end of his life Huxley was considered, in some academic circles, a leader of modern thought and an intellectual of the highest rank.[1] He was also well known for advocating and taking LSD, including on his death bed.

[rxbandit]

Uh, Huxley was partially responsible for what happened in the beat generation as well as the whole counter culture movement of the 60's. He was a very influential writer and if you have not read any of his work I would strongly recommend it.

I believe the reference referred to Aldous Huxleys famous last dose of LSD on his death bed.