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Old 05-04-2008, 14:25
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Miracle Berry - Improves the flavour of Cacti?

With regards to the consumption of San ped or Torch, as most swimmers here will agree is pretty awful, swim has become interested in the use of a fruit called the 'miracle berry'.

I found it when reading through trip reports on erowid scrolling through the substances looking for something else.

http://www.erowid.org/herbs/miracle_...le_berry.shtml

I decided to have a read and it appears that the miracle berry inhibits your tastebuds abilities to taste sour or bitter flavours, turning nasties into tasties

Fortunately the miracle berry, despite being listed on erowid, is not controlled anywhere so swim is going to be purchasing some to experiment with the next time he is going to be eating the nasty cactus.

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AW: Miracle Berry

well it does actually exist, somewhere a gardening shop sells 'em, its a german shop, pretty famous (not especially for ethno-stuff, more for plants & flowers in general) btw, apparently it changes some with your taste buds and f.e. if you eat greapefruit or lemon it will taste sweet. and that is a fact. how far that would help with mescaline, SWIm doesnt know.
the substance itself is apparently called "Miraculin"



"Synsepalum dulcificum"
description in german
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***Sagten die Weisen und Heiligen aller Religionen nicht schon immer, die Welt der Sinne sei eine Täuschung? Nun, hier haben wir mal wieder den Beweis. Sozusagen ein praktischer Exkurs in angewandter Philosophie. Jeder weiß, dass Zitronen, pur gegessen wirklich unangenehm sauer schmecken, doch wenn man nur eine der fruchtigen Beeren nascht, schmeckt jede Zitrone plötzlich wie die süßeste Orange! Ein faszinierendes Erlebnis, Kinder werden wohl ihre helle Freude daran haben. Das Wunder dieser Beere ist, dass alles was sauer ist, nach dem Genuss nur einer Beere meist für Stunden kein bisschen sauer mehr schmeckt, sondern zusätzlich ungewöhnlich süß.
Schuld an allem ist der Stoff Miraculin, der gleichzeitig auch die Süßwirkung bedingt. Miraculin ist ein Glycoprotein, das keine Hitze verträgt. Speisen, die nicht sauer sind, werden im Geschmack nicht beeinflusst, aber bei einigen Gemüsesorten gibt es Geschmacksverbesserungen. Man glaubt, dass bei einigen Gemüsen ein vorher verdecktes Aroma freigelegt wird. Auch das subjektive Empfinden von Salzigkeit wird verstärkt. Der Effekt dauert meist 1 Stunde, in seltenen Fällen kann die Wirkung bis zu 18 Stunden andauern.
Der kleine Baum oder Strauch kommt aus der Tiefebene des tropischen Westafrika. Dort werden die Beeren traditionell verwendet, um saure Speisen im Geschmack zu verbessern.
Ich habe mich gefragt, ob auch diese ungewöhnlichen Eigenschaften der Beeren einer Überlebensstrategie dient. Mein Ansatz ist dabei, dass ich mir vorstelle, dass Pflanzen grundsätzlich auf eine bestimmte Art denken können. Wenn also ein Fressfeind die Beeren vertilgt, könnten ja auch andere Blätter, z.B. von Konkurrenzpflanzen, die sonst weniger gut schmecken plötzlich attraktiver werden. Also: „Esse meine Beeren, dann schmecken dir die ansonsten ziemlich sauren Konkurrenzpflanzen plötzlich lecker, du frisst sie auf, und ich hab‘ wieder mehr Platz zum Wachsen!“ - Eine andere Theorie ist, dass sich die Pflanze die energieaufwendige Produktion von Zucker spart, um Vögel anzulocken, die dann für die Verbreitung sorgen.
Wunderbeeren können auch als Süßungsmittel verwendet werden. Sie können z.B. nach dem Genuss einer Beere eine Pampelmuse viel entspannter, auch ohne Zucker genießen, oder sie essen eine Schale saurer Erdbeeren aus einer verregneten Ernte ohne Zucker. Die Früchte können einige Zeit im Kühlschrank gelagert, oder eingefroren werden. Trocknen funktioniert nicht.
Diese Pflanze ist leicht als Topfpflanze zu ziehen wenn man einige Dinge beachtet: genügende Luftfeuchtigkeit, Erde nicht zu nass, ab und zu mit Mikronährstoffen wie bei Zitrusgewächsen nachdüngen, im Sommer Halbschatten, bei mindestens 15°C überwintern. Falls sie mal einen größeren Topf braucht, sollte man nur in saure Erde, also z.B. Rhododendronerde umtopfen.
Die ca. kirschgroßen, leuchtend roten Beeren mit großen Kern reifen etwa 2 Monate nach den weißen Blüten, die bei guten Bedingungen das ganze Jahr erscheinen.
Die Kerne lassen sich auch gut für die Anzucht von neuen Bäumchen nutzen. Man sollte sie gleich frisch in die Erde stecken, denn Sie verlieren schnell ihre Keimfähigkeit. Nach etwa 2 Monaten sind sie gekeimt, wachsen allerdings im ersten Jahr ziemlich langsam, aber später hat man dann ein tolles Geschenk für Freunde. Allerdings dauert es bis zur fruchtenden Pflanzen ca. 3-4 Jahre. Unsere Pflanzen sind alt genug, um schon im ersten Jahr Früchte zu tragen.
***Die hier über die Wunderbeere geschriebenen Texte beziehen sich auf Anwendungsmöglichkeiten in den Ländern, in denen die Wunderbeere als Nahrungsmittel und Süßungsmittel zugelassen sind. In der EU ist Miraculin und auch die Wunderbeere nicht als Nahrung- oder Süßungsmittel zugelassen, obwohl es in vielen Quellen als völlig harmlos bezeichnet wird. Bitte erkundigen Sie sich, falls Sie Kunde außerhalb der Europäischen Union sind, inwieweit Wunderbeeren in ihrem Land zugelassen sind, wenn Sie sie als Nahrungsmittel oder Süßungsmittel verwenden wollen!
i will prepare a short translated summary later, hope my german is good enough for all of that


furhter info can be found there, one thing i found
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Fruit: The fruit is a small bright red, ellipsoid berry approximately 2 to 3 cm long and containing a single seed. Although not sweet itself, when a single fruit is eaten and the fleshy pulp allowed to coat the taste buds of the tongue and inside of the mouth, an extraordinary effect occurs. The fruit will now allow one to eat a slice of lemon or lime without wincing. The marvelous aroma and inherent sweetness of the citrus remains but the sourness is almost completely covered. The effect remains for some 30 minutes or more.

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Re: Miracle Berry

You can get in cheap anywhere in the world from a site called miracleUK. Does anyone know if it works will bitter powders too?
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Re: Miracle Berry

Using the miracle berry in conjunction with swims 'smoothie' method (mixing the powdered dried cactus with a thick fruit smoothie) is by far the best consumption method swim has found so far. Swim actually enjoyed his dosing and is now waiting for effects..

Swim is however unsure whether the miracle berry worked by enhancing the sweet flavour to the point that the bitterness of the san pedro was unnoticed, or by actually masking the flavour of the cactus.. Either way this seems to be a winner!
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Re: Miracle Berry

how much did SWIY ingest, of juice or dried cactus (or how he prepared it..) and what excactly does he mean by smoothie?
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Old 06-05-2008, 23:12
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Re: Miracle Berry

Swim is feelin quite euphoric at the moment, but recalls consuming 40g of dried, powdered san pedro mixed into a banana and strawberry smoothie.

Lifted from wikipedia:

A smoothie is a blended, chilled, sweet beverage made from fresh fruit. In addition to fruit, many smoothies include crushed ice, frozen fruit, or frozen yogurt. They have a milkshake-like consistency which is thicker than slush drinks, but unlike milkshakes, they do not usually contain ice cream, but can contain milk. Smoothies are marketed to health-conscious people, and some restaurants offer add-ins such as soy milk, whey powder, green tea, herbal supplements, or nutritional supplement mixes.
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Re: Miracle fruit + cacti = YUM?

turkeyphant SWIY took how many berries? and how did take the cacti.. and how much? SWIM is considering this to help with the taste, but wants to know if it'll be worthwhile.
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Re: Miracle fruit + cacti = YUM?

I got it in powder form - it's miraculin, the active extract from the miracle fruit. 1 gram is more than enough and works best when mixed up with other fruit to get affected by the miraculin.
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Re: Miracle fruit + cacti = YUM?

not taken before?

is it available everywhere, like grocery stores etc?
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Re: Miracle fruit + cacti = YUM?

The only places I know for buying it are online - it's not so common you can find it in stores yet.
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but its legal in europe, istn it?
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Re: Miracle fruit + cacti = YUM?

Yeah completely legal by virtue of not being explicitly covered. There might be some issues with selling for consumption but I doubt it.
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Re: Miracle Berry - Improves the flavour of Cacti?

I'll definitely look into this! Sounds much better than drinking an extract liquid, etc.
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Re: Miracle Berry - Improves the flavour of Cacti?

Interesting thread to bump .... cant believe swim didnt think of this. Have any other swimmer tried this and had decent results ? Swim wonders if this would also help in the consumption of Ayahuasca, it being the only thing on the planet that tastes worse than Mescaline cactus. Perhaps a new thread should be made if anyone has tried it with Ayahuasca...
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Re: Miracle Berry - Improves the flavour of Cacti?

As soon as SWIM hit his eyes on this thread he also immediately thought of use with Ayahuasca. He ordered the tablets some time ago after seeing them being covered in finnish tabloid press. They do work pretty effectively. Citric acid tastes pretty sweet after the tablet and all food is noticeably more sweet. In the tabloid press they even drank vinegar after a tablet and didn't complain of the taste. SWIM found it effective to reduce the taste of raw liquor, too.
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Re: Miracle Berry - Improves the flavour of Cacti?

Miracle berries are the shit. They are a "flavor trip" all on their own. Seriously, get some and try drinking some orange juice. Or squeeze some lemon juice right into your mouth. It's amazing. If you drink beer while on the stuff it will taste like chocolate.

SWIM has tried mescaline a couple times in cactus form and had trouble with the flavor on both occasions. He actually had miracle berries on hand when dosing but didn't think to use them .

SWIM has since sworn off of cactus dosing due to the projectile vomiting he experienced on his second (and last) dose. It's a shame, because he's found that the stimulating and psychedelic properties of mescaline were perfect, it was just the body load and nausea that ruined it.
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Re: Miracle Berry - Improves the flavour of Cacti?

^^and these things would be....? my cat has heard that swiy has an extensive knowledge of these sorts of topics, please share, seriously, not trying to offend; rather, sincerely asking for information from an informed source whose involvement and information could be of great benefit to the forum.
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