Health - can meth be used responsibly?

[stealthninjax]

so swim was extremely depressed... he has avoidant personality so he feels shitty all the time even though people have told him he's a 8-9 in real life. no1 believes him so all he could do is to treat himself... well after a visit to a scumbag psychologist who charged him $250 for telling a bunch of motivational bs and a perscription to remeron. hes currently on remeron and lexapro to help him manage his social anxiety and depression. 2days ago swim was feeling extremely shitty so he finally decided he needed a kick in the ass to wake him up despite all the warning about how meth can destroy your life...the main reason hes hesistant to do it in the first place. it was pretty much a life saver for swim... his depression and avoidant symptom dissapear completely. he feels like theres nothing he can't do is is ready to take on the world like you're at your best. Swim use to love e but since hes on ssri he can't roll and the comedown isnt worth it for him. meth on the other hand swim can force himself to eat and take some valium to sleep. He hasn't experience any comedown yet... just some light depresion.. possibly from his symtoms. so the question is.. can swim do it once every few month without any addiction and/or harmful side effect??

[Dole654]

I'm pretty sure SWIY is the only one with the answer you seek.

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very true!

[entheogensmurf]

From the data that SWIM has encountered SWIY can use Meth or pretty much any drug and not become addicted, which takes the user through the coils of the downward spiral. There are factors to consider such as the users personality and genetics. There is a plethora of stories out there that confirm the destruction that addiction with meth is a real thing and something to be weary of-- and suggesting or plain out saying that other resolutions should be sought out first.

However, it seems that it's difficult to avoid the neurotoxicity which can/will? damage SWIY's brain or stress the body as a whole, even at lower infrequent doses. There are some preventative measures a person can take it seems. SWIM primarily says difficult as most people throw caution out the window and SWIM does not know enough cited material to provide an absolute answer siding with yes/no.

Cannagirl posted this on here:
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53579


SWIM overall suggests not using it for a medicine without a close to 99% certainty SWIY is hurting their body in the long run. It's best to seek a doc and try prescription drugs... If Meth did help SWIY then that could suggest low levels of dopamine. A temp fix that results in even more depression later down the line seems like a silly route.

Still even yet, one must not take flight to drugs being the first answer. They need to self reflect and dive into introspection. It really could be a few or many life matters that are significantly depressing the individual. And by actually dealing/resolving these problems the strain on the body and mind is lifted, at least to feel 'normal'.

So of course the suggestion of a normal psychiatrist/shrink could assist. There is that.

SWIM finds the excessive amount of time required to break SWIY's head open and get results is silly when it's been pretty much proven certain psychedelics speed the process up tenfold for some people.

This is where the use of LSD, MDMA, psilocybin mushrooms or ayahuasca can come into play. Now SWIM said not to use drugs as the first answer but there is an exception. That is when using specific drugs that are referred to as psychedelics or more specifically entheogens for this situation. The problem here of course is there are only a few legal trials going on right now where SWIY could partake in these adventures with a psychotherapist. There is the option of solo trekking but then SWIM suggests reading several books on the use of psychedelics as a tool for a form of self-psychotherapy or at least the introspection niceties.

A person must know themselves, why they may feel certain ways, think and feel things before any form of healing can begin. Healing in this reference would be the normalization of self to where a sense of well-being is present in place of depression.

Blah blah.

[kaczynski]

SWIY can definitely avoid addiction with lots of will power, but eventually SWIY's dopamine levels will get all fucked up resulting in further, even worse depression. Meth causes damage through regular use not just addiction. Meth is an illusory treatment for SWIY's depression in SWIM's opinion, since it will ultimately cause SWIY's body to chemically be less able to naturally feel happiness.

[sweetsweetmary]

Try reading a book instead. Eckhart Tolle's "A New Earth: Awakening to the Purpose of your life". This book can help with depression and feelings that create depression. Depression can be caused by stress, anxiety, anger, lack of confidence. This book addresses all of them and will give you a different perspective on life. Once you realize this perspective you might not need drugs to create happiness. True inner happiness is always within. Finding it is the secret that needs unlocking. Good luck.

[PingoTango]

Once every few months is fine, but unless SWIY is very careful, that can soon become once every month, then a couple of times a month, then once a week...

[stealthninjax]

to those who hasn't tried this drug... don't do it if u know u can't control yourself just cuz its feels too damn good. I can see why it is the most addictive drug, its easy and the high last for quite a while. To swim its comparable to rolling 2 straight days and swim except you just feel like you're the fuken shit... exactly how we all should feel when we're not imprisoned by the limitation we set on ourselves. Swim has done it twice so far and the come down is nothing compare to e. As long as you get enough food, water, and sleep (benzo) you should be ok. You'll crave the feeling for a few days after but its manageable and as always only you can be responsible for yourself. Swim also like to note that its like a miracle drug for swim depression... he doesn't plan on using it regularly... only on special ocassion or when he needs to deal with his problems. Drugs... what would swim do w/o them lol...

[stealthninjax]

got a question... swim smoke like a 3/4 a bowl 2 days ago... how long does teh high last.. b/c swim is noticing the incredible confident that swim has is dissapearing slowly and swim started to notice that feeling come and go easily. is he coming down? it feels normal for swim. he just came to the realization of if he continue to over think things is the caues of hsi problem... maybe. swim gonna stop before he gets emo again.

[stealthninjax]

yeb its sneaking up on swim and hes feeling the need for it in order to maintain his confident. swim has real low self esteem which is mainly the cause of his depression. He finds that he can be able to function like a normal person on it even during the comedown period. swim will talk to his psychiatrist today and ask for some form of amphetamine and do further research on lengthening the effect, neurotoxicity prevention, and tollerance build up. For now swim gonna smoke the left over from his gp so he can have the motivation to do all of the above. will keep you guys up to date.

[sweetsweetmary]

Just to give SWIY a heads up there will be no way for SWIY to use meth responsibly. Someone could use meth responsibly if using for something other then depression. Depression is a tricky thing and SWIY would need tons of confidence and self esteem in order to pull a trick task off like using meth responsibly. Just stay far far away.

[stealthninjax]

swim understand the risk but for now the reward outweighs the risk. swim doesn't care so much about the high even though its very nice to have...he just wants to feel normal and adapting to this neway of thinking. stimulants are the only drugs that will give swim that. swim has been on ssri and benzo... they don't help at all and so far e, meth, and ghb are the only 3 that's working form him. ghb is too hard to get and swim come down from e is harash so meth is the only option. he'll try to get some adderrall or something but for now he will smoke just so he could get his ass up and get things done.

[stealthninjax]

one question... if swim roll and tweak during the come down... how bad would it be let say he gets enough sleep vitamin and food.

[stealthninjax]

also note that remeron can really help with the lack of sleep and appetite. he got it from is psychiatrist and it works really well. keep him from being too thin and look like a druggie.

swim express himself though myspace. he partied alot but those days were short lived. most of the funnest experience is when swim is raving.

http://www.myspace.com/trancestation1

[stoneinfocus]

Yes, you can, cut out the fear, swims life is simply no life without amphetamines it´s a torment!

Forget about the propaganda and the fear-mongers. If you think it safes your life it for sure does, gain information about it, but just being honest will suffice, as amphetamines do not make you addicted, IMHO, one could push a amphetamine habit to the maximum(keep the dosing low, to not risk a damage) and it will wear itslef off automaticall, as one´s just fed-up about it and then can easily let it be.

Given, there were no co-addiction, like alcohol, MJ, benzos, and amphetamine the single substance of use swim never experienced dose-increase, just a total lack of: infections/flues, allergies, depressions, pain and minus symptomatic and he gained: friends, happyness, love, sex and a living in general and cognitive abilities and a sicial behaviour, which is the most useful to swim, compared to before(pain, unconenctratedness, easily distracted, suicidal in words, falsificating, not being able socialize/distaracted by a chron pain cond and unhappynes/fatigue ...)

Amphetamines are one of the best, most useful, at the same time benign substances and medications there are
and there´s no toxicity in men with normal dosing even if taken life-long, the sides seem to er more on the positive as on the negative (favourable body-composition, inhibition of excessive mitosis/cancers, no shortening of the average life-expectance)

Swim managed always getting high about 2x /month with just a little more than the usual and it always stays at 1,5grams/month at max., ususally 1,2-1,4grams/month.

No jaw-clenching(bruxism), no hang-overs, no sleep disturbance, no nothing.
This is how it could and can be.A solution, a great help in gaining the paradise of earth back, for people like us, who are in a certain condition.

[stealthninjax]

looking back... swim is a pretty good looking guy now that hes able to see things more clearly. before everytime swim look in the mirror... all he saw were his flaws and an unattractive person stairing back at him. he's stopping Lexapro cuz it doesn't do anything for him other than making him unmotivated and did not cure his depresion.

[stealthninjax]

swim has 3 long term goals... 1. dj for a rave 2. popularize the raving culture 3. legalize e and marijuana as well as all psychoactives and educate people on responsible drug use. wish him luck b/c he really believes he can do it and its not all the tweak thats talking.

[stealthninjax]

just to keep you guys updated... so far so good. i haven't been craving it and only use it when i have to and usually just 1 or 2 puffs. at first i thought that my confident was because of drug but after doing some research i've found that was actually me... its like i'd never realize i had it in me. right now the only problem is keeping track of my normal diet and sleep to keep myself healthy. I will continue to do further research on it.

take care,
khoi

p.s. i won't use swim anymore because i'm not doing anything wrong.

[stoneinfocus]

Why smoking? One could just insufflate stuff and wait an hour for desired effects to appear, with close to no sides, instead of overdosing for quickly getting them in a minute, but with sides... *hint*

[stealthninjax]

Avoidant personality disorder (Avpd) symptoms:
(http://www.tljones.co.uk/apd/apd.htm)

Exaggerate the potential difficulties, physical dangers, or risks involved in doing something ordinary, but outside their usual routines

Unwilling to become involved with people unless certain of being liked; easily hurt by criticism or disapproval

Reticent in social situations because of a fear of saying something inappropriate or foolish, or of being unable to answer a question

Tend to be underachievers, and find it difficult to focus on job tasks or hobbies

In summary, avdp people afraid to take risk unless they're 100% sure that they will succeed. Therefore, when it come to taking risk they would analyze every possible situations and try to find a solution in order to make sure that they won't fail. Since nothing in life is 100% esp. when dealing with people (not everyone is going to like you or accept you). "Avpd often consider themselves to be socially inept or personally unappealing, and avoid social interaction for fear of being ridiculed, humiliated, or disliked. They typically present themselves as loners and report feeling a sense of alienation from society." (wikipedia) because they're unwilling to take risk, this results in "Extreme shyness in social situations, though feels a strong desire for close relationships" -> low self esteem -> depression, etc...

The only treatment for Avpd is to overcome their irrational phobia by exposing themselves and take risk. This is almost impossible because they irrationally "Exaggerate the potential difficulties, physical dangers, or risks involved in doing something ordinary, but outside their usual routines" and the cycle continues.

Fear of failure (Atychiphobia) is one of the greatest fears people have. Fear of failure is closely related to fear of criticism and fear of rejection. Successful people overcome their fear of failure. Fear incapacitates unsuccessful people.

http://www.goal-setting-guide.com/ov...f-failure.html

Amphetamine as a treatment

similar to seratonin being responsible for happiness and sense of well being.. when you're happy your brain release more seratonin and when you're depressed youre brain release less sesratonin. Dopamine is responsible for the action/reward system in the brain... when you've accomplish something your brain will release more dopamine and you'll feel more confident and not afraid of taking risk as i stated above and hence the fear of failure is overcome. When you've fail, you'll feel a defeated and less dopamine is released.. lowering your self confident.


stealthninjax added 4 Minutes and 36 Seconds later...

amphetamine when used responsibly (very small amount) caused a release in dopamine and allow avpd to overcome their fear of failure and take actions. This allows them to retrain their mind from "Exaggerat[ing] the potential difficulties, physical dangers, or risks involved in doing something ordinary, but outside their usual routines".




stealthninjax added 88 Minutes and 39 Seconds later...

also note an increase in confident does not change your personality. you are who you are. This may not apply to everyone... I suggest anyone with this problem discuss it with his therapist.

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Great post, thank you!

[stealthninjax]

i've done enough to discover who i am and what i'm capable of. take my advice DON'T DO IT FOR THE WRONG REASON or you'll be fuked.

[stoneinfocus]

Originally Posted by stealthninjax

i've done enough to discover who i am and what i'm capable of. take my advice DON'T DO IT FOR THE WRONG REASON or you'll be fuked.

Oh, seems like a little avpd is still remaining in swim? Oops, did I criticise?
NO! Well done!

To add a littel more to this avpd, my mother has it and I.

I succeded in forming me, with some kind of risky or better, an art in controlling risks by skill, power, endurance and tactic, which I love doing over my own life, which really is risky above the average bureau-job and can be used, in return, to relativy other risks (all-day-, fictional-, risks, risks of others in certain situations like war, or crossing a street)and -as such, helps in taking more action in normal life, as well as in actions, which are adding in a positive way to this beloved thing and are reasonable and objectionable in risk-asessment / positive effects and all the positive follow-ups, gained from leaving/doing it.
And this was the best thing ever happened to me.

But my mother is the other pole of avpd (as is conservatism in its worst and mostly occuring form in conservatists), seeing, that the only safe thing in her life and the onyl really successful thing for her to do, lies in the sabotage of what I´m doing and achieving, by all means, from slandering, sueing, destroying, stealing (books, precious and -not by all means- being drug-related, but rather seldom, hard-searched and well paid plants).
It´s become her life-work and this is intermittently going on with the help of /addition of sadistic, fascist fiends, enjoying working with all the jigsaw-puzzle-parts, spilled by this obsession of my mother, giving her in return further positive feedback, that her regime is working, and this it does, since I was little.

As a result of this, I´m ruined, beng seen by most as a violent-obsessive, drugged mother-beater, an alcoholic, a child-molester, a maniac, a criminal, a dope-pusher, a terrorist, -well, bisexuality and being more on the left wing is enough, for getting someone killed over here- a lazy slacken bump, retarded, having an birth-caused brain damage.. you name it, whatever would float your boat, if someone is spending a lifetime, thinking about these objectives as if they were the only safe and succesful goal to reach, thereby knowing every jota of your preferences, reactions to situations, weaknesses, strenghths, hobbies, schedules, favourites, characktere, loathigns, ways of manipulations, not onyl of me, but of the state exxecutives and the enviroment).

Another way to overcome this avpd -because it came a sort of back to me again, though it´s maybe a healthy and reasonable reaction, to what happened to me, as, as a result of not onyl being sabotaged my whole life, ontop, I really was -and am- murder-threatened and attacked and nearly being killed and hurt in such a way, that I´m now unable to work, is, in getting a great hit (if one´s really liking it on the small-to quasi-high scale and "the avps bee" was always more on the the milligram side with drugs, than on the gram-side, which worked out great, with the same mechanisms applied, as doing pro-sports, as described in the upper column), once-in-a-while.

So lately this bee was sitting there, with a bunch of absolutely trustable stuff and he was hit so hard, like he was the last time maybe 14 years ago, he actually enjoyed it, some sweat and great feelings of warmth in his body, the heart-palpations, slight sweating in the axle, he was getting used to liking the sides, as they proof him he´s alive and ,suddenly, all his fear of dying and being attacked again, resolved and he had absolutely no fear of dying in this moment with this feeling, ever, as he had reached a goal, relative to others, who might find these drug-sides rather non-desireable and might complain or ignore them, to him, this, too, was very precious and achieved through hard wora and he was enjoying it, like one could ever enjoy live.

He will use this in the common way, as this is nothing, but improving swims condition.(this is the reason why swim was in another thread so strongly recommending taking shrooms without the perfectly prepared setting, as it is a prerogative for him fighting fear over any objectional and reasonabel doubt of not doing what he, in this moment, would like doing, as for him, the right moment for doing something, is only when he feels a degree of commitment in doing something and immediately conducting it.

Freedom and understanding to all!

stoneinfocus

[th3tawav3]

Even for avpd and issues of the same sort there are other psychological issues that are behind this. Swim is not a scientologist, but has studied the 'religion', which speaks of regions of the brain which are sensitive to traumatizing experiences which can be minor or major. Every traumatizing experience may later manifest iteself as a direct result from verbal abuse, judgement, neglect, and many other minor and subconscious psycholigcal stimuli that may never ever be recognized.
This is how psychdelics may aid swiy to recongnize and acknowledge repressed trauma usually in the manifestation of the 'unconscious' mind.

Recognizing and facing issues may result in more permanent satisfaction and sustainable well-being instead of meth use (or any other upper) that only provides temporary relief.

[givemeliberty]

I know a guy who has used crank off and on (more on than off) since 1974. Lately, due to improvements in his supply line, he has done it every single day. He has been a productive member of society (who gives a rat's behind about society), self sufficient and has been a small business (legit) owner for three years. He doesn't live under a bridge or in the woods behind a mall. To look at him, one would never suspect him of being a long time user of methamphetamines. So I would have to say,yes, it is possible to use it responsibly. Drug use is not always drug abuse.

[Beachhead]

Originally Posted by stoneinfocus

Yes, you can, cut out the fear, swims life is simply no life without amphetamines it´s a torment!

Amphetamines are one of the best, most useful, at the same time benign substances and medications there are...No jaw-clenching, no hang-overs, no sleep disturbance, no nothing.

No sleep disturbances? Okay, one question: when you say " no sleep disturbance" are you talking about that as it applies to swims own personal experience (just one person) or for people in society on the whole? You see I thought I read that Adderall can cause insomnia in some people.

[runfrom MURDER]

Originally Posted by PingoTango

Once every few months is fine, but unless SWIY is very careful, that can soon become once every month, then a couple of times a month, then once a week...

SWIM's story.

He started once every 3-4 weeks, and then slowly but surely worked his way to spending $300 in a weekend.