Health - Adderall Can Metaphorically Rape You...

[BearClaw]

Adderall Can Metaphorically Rape You...

So a bit dramatic of a title, but Swim defiantly had one of the worst experiences in his life with Adderall, well the crash...

Less than a week ago, Swim felt it would be a neat experience to push Adderall, the thing he didn't know, is that it will push back.

Over a four day period, Swim consumed over 560mg's of Adderall. Swim had 28 - 20mg of Adderall instant release. He ate, snorted, and smoked his supply in a inconsistent fashion, which kept him from crashing... At least up until the 4th day and Swim hit the ground (Well he couldn't take it anymore, without seriously in-dangering his health). When Swim awoke 18 hours later, he felt dazed by consciousness and wanted nothing more but to escape this horrible "crashed" feeling. So he ate some food, which didn't help and about 5 hours of being awake, he couldn't take it anymore and swallowed 37.5mg of Midazolam in order to help. Well this powerful benzo couldn't help Swims 4 day affair with Adderall. He feel asleep about 2 hours later, with what was probably a migraine... It was not until 3 days later and about 52 hours of sleep until Swim returned to somewhat normalcy.

Anyways, Swim thought this was a horrible lesson that should be shared with Swimmers in case they to decided to embark on such a venture.

Any thoughts on this or similar dates with Addy?

[staples]

Originally Posted by BearClaw

Over a four day period, Swim consumed over 560mg's of Adderall.

Holy hell, chill out. Supposing that was evenly divided over the 4-day period, I can maybe understand using that much adderall per day to get a lot done on a particular day, and a full 2 days is starting to push it... it didn't get uncomfortable to be chemically forced awake by the third day? Or were the dosages increased throughout this period?

Originally Posted by BearClaw

When Swim awoke 18 hours later, he felt dazed by consciousness and wanted nothing more but to escape this horrible "crashed" feeling. So he ate some food, which didn't help and about 5 hours of being awake, he couldn't take it anymore and swallowed 37.5mg of Midazolam in order to help.

I don't understand why a benzo was supposed to help? After that much adderall, dopamine receptors lose sensitivity, so to combat the crashed feeling it would make sense to dose with a bit of adderall, or just consume caffeine or something to increase dopamine levels (not too much as to extend the problem, but enough to make it easier to function for the time being -- in fact I think best would be to taper off of adderall as one would to shake a dependence, if that's possible).

Both eating food and benzos would increase levels of parasympathetic neurotransmitters, which seems like the opposite of what one would want in such a situation. I suppose the ridiculously long sleep session which followed would more quickly restore sensitivity to dopamine receptors, but if I imagine myself in the same situation, sleeping that much isn't really an option...

Originally Posted by BearClaw

Any thoughts on this or similar dates with Addy?

My thoughts are that SWIY should cool it for a little while...

[BearClaw]

Originally Posted by staples

it didn't get uncomfortable to be chemically forced awake by the third day? Or were the dosages increased throughout this period?

By all means was it uncomfortable, by the 2nd day. Swim's eyes where burning, body felt broken, and focus was lost. Swim was attempting to work on a research project for school, but lost most of the "drive" to complete it. I don't specifically remember the dosage spreads, but from what Swim can recall they did increase... By the 3rd day Swims only fuel was the dextro-amphetamine, he needed it to prevent a crash (well delay it for as long as possible... he knew one would inevitably come, but hoped to put it as near to the weekend as possible).


Swim doesn't really know why he took the benzo's... well I guess he does...
A friend told Swim that it would ease the downed period, making it easier for Swim to cope. Swim at the time was not aware of the facts that Swi-Staples presented.

Lastly, Swim has chilled with usage, just taking a 30mg extended release tablet till Swim can gradually reduce the usage even more.

thanks -

[kaczynski]

That's quite a binge..SWIM has had similar albeit less harrowing experiences with Adderall crashes and understands what a nightmare it is.

[JudgeJudy]

Wow, SWIM is suprised SWIY's heart is still beating

[BearClaw]

Swim is built like a bear... 6' 3" and 110 kilo's. Swim took his pulse periodically and the most it got up to was about 180 bpm (I was very nervous). Swim also has a tolerance to amphetamines. So that's the wee' bit of facts, that Swim is guessing did not allow the Adderall to explode his heart...

[radiometer]

It's not like the negative effects of extended bingeing on amphetamines aren't already very well documented. This strikes me as similar to warning people if they drink 20 drinks they may experience nausea...

[BearClaw]

Originally Posted by radiometer

It's not like the negative effects of extended bingeing on amphetamines aren't already very well documented. This strikes me as similar to warning people if they drink 20 drinks they may experience nausea...

By all means, Swim knows they (amphetamine "binges") are well known and documented.

Swim just felt his story was a neat one to add to the collection : )

Swim was hoping to encourage stories of similarity, especially when it comes to dextro-amphetamine aka Adderall...

Is the sarcasm necessary? Swim is a very peaceful/placid person and wonders why the hint's of hostility?

[jazzmetalguitar]

SWIY is lucky he didn't go into a psychotic episode like SWIM has on two occasions (albeit the second time was an intentional experiment).

[LimbFromLimb91]

Vyvanse (Shire's new "favorite" product). SWIM just wishes that his "friends" mentioned that each dose lasts over 12 hours BEFORE he took a few to "sober up" that NIGHT..

SWIM's mom made him go to church the next morning. Most intense case of psychosis SWIM has yet to experience (stained glass windows changing colors, the Jesus on the crucifix moving, SWIM hearing imaginary voices calling his name.. ect)

[staples]

Originally Posted by LimbFromLimb91

Vyvanse (Shire's new "favorite" product). SWIM just wishes that his "friends" mentioned that each dose lasts over 12 hours BEFORE he took a few to "sober up" that NIGHT..

SWIM's mom made him go to church the next morning. Most intense case of psychosis SWIM has yet to experience (stained glass windows changing colors, the Jesus on the crucifix moving, SWIM hearing imaginary voices calling his name.. ect)

How much did SWIY take?

Always a good idea to read up on what SWIY is about to put in his body...

[juanathan]

i've heard about vyvanse but SWIM has yet to take it. How does it compare to adderall?

[staples]

Originally Posted by juanathan

i've heard about vyvanse but SWIM has yet to take it. How does it compare to adderall?

I wrote a bit a while ago here. Since then I've gone up to 70mg (skipped 60, since the pharmacy didn't have it). The dosages don't seem to be very linear, as in, 60mg doesn't seem twice as powerful as 30mg, but I really like it so far. I've been on 70mg for about a week and I don't feel like I want to increase again (which is good, 'cuz it's the highest dose).

Furthermore, when I first started with 30mg, I estimated to a friend that it felt as effective as 20mg Adderall. Then my estimate decreased to 15, then 10, then 8 or so. I went up to 50mg vyvanse and again estimated 20mg Adderall. Again my estimate decreased, but not as much, and now that I'm on 70mg I'd say it seems fairly stable in that it seems generally around the same effectiveness as 20-30 mg of Adderall. It's really hard to tell because the controlled release really gives it it's own... personality.. for lack of a better word.

[VashYsk]

SWIM remembers when he took took 10 20mg adderall xr in one day but opened the caps up and chewed the beads in there to get 40mg out of each cap for 4 hours instead of 20mg for 8 hours. That was at about 7pm one night that doesnt count the 5 15mg instant release SWIM took that morning. SWIM felt amazing and can sleep very easily on Adderall so SWIM never went through a crash because he was tired but did feel like crap when he did come down.

SWIM tried Vyvanse last night 2 70mg but was mixed with E and Prozac so SWIM can't really tell how it is compared to adderall. SWIM has 8 left he hopes to try instead of his adderall script to see how it is. Do you just take 1 70mg a day staples?

[staples]

Originally Posted by VashYsk

SWIM tried Vyvanse last night 2 70mg but was mixed with E and Prozac so SWIM can't really tell how it is compared to adderall. SWIM has 8 left he hopes to try instead of his adderall script to see how it is. Do you just take 1 70mg a day staples?

SWIY tried it last NIGHT? Vyvanse's psychoactive effects, for me, last on the order of 10-12 hours! I imagine it is dangerous to use with MDMA (especially if SWIY isn't sure what it's cut with), but Prozac should be fine (especially if it's fine with adderall, take note though of feverish symptoms, light-headedness, stomach sickness, etc).

Of course I only take 1 70mg dose per day. SWIY probably shouldn't take more than 2 or 3 at a time, I would strongly advise sticking to one because the effects do last a long time and that can be very rough on the body.

If SWIY is going to take more than 70mg, SWIY shouldn't experiment at 70mg increments! To only use half a dose, hold the capsule over a glass of water, with the orange side pointing directly up. Carefully, while keeping the base (blue half) level, separate the orange plastic from the capsule, this has been difficult for me (my doctor told me to, since they didn't have 60mg at the time) and I usually have to squeeze the blue side pretty hard, but once the capsule begins to separate, slowly pull it apart. The reason for this is that there's more white powder than can fit in one half of the capsule, so there will be a mountain of lisdexamfetamine, and probably some will overflow into the glass of water below.

SWIY should estimate about half (or as much as he would like to use from this capsule), and pour that into the water. Then SWIY can reassemble the capsule (store it somewhere else so SWIY remembers that it's not a full 70mg dose!). Stir the water and drink it as quickly as possible. Stir again if SWIY can't finish the full glass in one shot because vyvanse seems to settle pretty quickly to the bottom. I think it's also important to drink it quickly so very little, if any, of the drug is absorbed sub-lingually (which would never become active).

I'd be interested in how helpful you find vyvanse for treating ADHD and of course SWIY's thoughts about vyvanse, please keep us posted.

[VashYsk]

Originally Posted by staples

I'd be interested in how helpful you find vyvanse for treating ADHD and of course SWIY's thoughts about vyvanse, please keep us posted.

SWIM keep taking Vyvanse for a few days and that certain mixture of vyvanse with MDMA and Prozac kept SWIM awake for about 2-3 days, a hard thing to do to SWIM. SWIM has taken it once twice since then for his ADHD and will post his thoughts in another topic, I don't want to take over this topic

But SWIM the first few times did feel like he wanted to puke when he took Vyvanse.

[calamityjane]

What is SWIM and the other abbreviated terms, please? i am new and cant find it...

[staples]

Originally Posted by calamityjane

What is SWIM and the other abbreviated terms, please? i am new and cant find it...

See Drugs Forum slang

[Laudaphun]

SWIM is hoping someone can respond to this question asap! Obviously there consequence for every action, such as taking adderall to remain awake and alert for a night or two.

Now, this is coming purely for use for academic reasons, but after a few days with little or no sleep, the alertness and focusing properties of the drug become more of a situation where the body is physically stimulated and able to remain awake and alert, however the brain cannot perform as well.

Supposing someone's marmoset had a HUGELY important exam in 36 hours. With only a couple hours sleep the night before and a 2ish... to 3 hour nap during the afternoon. Anyone experienced with this sort of situation with amphetamines? SWIM is trying to decide what the cutoff line is for the point when the decreasing brain function begins to catch up with a marmoset and the extra "study-time" is no longer advantageous in regards to the lack of sleep. Considering roughly normal prescribed doses of amphetamine, taken at intervals of a fixxed duration. No binge or insanely high doseages, just enough to keep the marmoset awake, alert, focused, and productive. Does anyone's marmoset have any input on whether the extra few hours of study-time would be of greater benefit than a full 8 hours night's rest, based on prior experiences?

SWIM is hoping that someone can respond to this within the next 36 hours, as her marmoset has just been switched to adderall within the past week, and while she is comfortable with the drug, she remembers that too much sleep loss from methylphendiate use ended up in it's use being counter-productive. SWIM's marmoset has 30mg pink generic adderall tabs, which she has been splitting up into 3/4 pill or 22.5mg dosages. Guess it doesn't matter as it is now time for her marmoset to either decide whether to redose or just allow the last dose to wear off. A redose would ensure that no sleep was had prior to class, or 2-3 hours max. SWIM is trying to keep the marmoset well hydrated and several small meals to provide the body with some sort of natural energy as well so that the amphetamines have a less draining effect on the body.