Extreme Tolerance and Lack of Veins Ending Swims Drug Carreer =(

[Swing]

Well swim has finally hit that point in his opiate addiction where NOTHING can satisfy him anymore. Swim can't hit his veins anymore and no amount of extreme dosage can get him high. Swim's journey went from the usual vicodin and percocet stealing from his mom's cabinent all the way up to morphine, oxy, hydromorph, and finally heroin. He went from popping to snorting to slamming. Tolerance is NO joke people. Swim really thinks boosting his oxy dose for that little extra high and excessive use of tar are what really done him in. Now his arms are covered in hard scar tissue and 320 mg of oxy at one go doesn't do anything but waste his cash. He's taken breaks and gone through the horrible withdrawls in the vague hope of being able to feel the numbness, euphoria, and bloodshot eyes that he loved so much, but it was just chasing something that wasn't there. He's finally tapering himself with methadone and eventually will just resort to massive doses of benzo's from now. Starting from the age of 15-16 to 21 swim abused opiates from a weekly to daily to hourly pattern in his last grim days.

Swim just wants to let you suburban teenage american kids out there know that oxy is a great feeling drug but seriously don't make a long-term habit of it and definitely don't rely on it as your main DOC. If swim would have known that in the future his best friends would go to prison for pharm robberies and that injecting three 80's wouldn't make him feel shit just a few years later he would have definetely spaced his use out. Swim doesn't mean to give a lecture but extreme long-lasting tolerance and the horrible things that come with it are very real.

This abstinence is a very unusual feeling and hard to cope with. Swim feels like a fucking nerd playing video games and warhammer and not going out with his friends to use. If any of the more veteran members have any advice on this transition or know how long it'll be untill swim's veins will come back or he'll be able to pop three vicodin and get that old feeling please let him know.

Once again swim is not trying to preach here but for all you new adults out there just getting into hard opiates please remember that tolerance and dependency are a real factor that you might want to remind yourself a bit every once and awhile.

[OhCasey]

I read somewhere that in extreme opiate use cases there are people who hit a wall and even after years of opiate abstinence they will never again be able to feel the high of an opiate they only can get the maintence effect of being able to not withdrawal. Ill look for the Source.

[Dellzx]

SWIM dont have a history of opiates slamming but SWIM does have a history of slamming meth and other uppers. But SWIM had a really high tolerance of meth SWIM used to do 1 1/2 g in one shot .and he found out if he did downers for about a month and didnt do no uppers then go back to meth again he would feel the high he used to feel but didnt last as long as it used to. But if SWIY just wants to feel the opiates high again try and do uppers for a while then go back downers.

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nice contribution, go on like that

[Donmeka]

SWIM has a real oc habit for a couple months and SWIM learned from the wthdrawls although not the worst in the opiate world it was enough to make SWIM know his boundary. SWIM never did more than 80mg cept he thinks once he did 120mg. but he learned a lesson none the less.

SWIM finds OC to be worse than heroin but all thats around his town is black tar and SWIM is not sure of the quality so his observation may be warped a bit. but from personal experience from insufflating OC and smoking tar, smoking tar never makes SWIM feel shitty the next day even after multiple days in a row but OC or Dilaudid would make SWIM not want to get up or eat at all and just lay and wait to die. a very bad feeling to have SWIM says

[0utrider]

ok SWIY should really neither go to uppers for a while nor try "massive doses of benzos", instead maybe just get clean for at least some amount of time (ADs might make that a lil easier, at least St Johns wort could be considered) and start again from there, in what ever direction SWIY wants to go.
SWIY should also seriously thing about psychological problems etc, even if hes not aware of them, might be he has some, but not necessarily. he should also have not only friends like him, but also others, a mix is always a good way

btw after some time the veines will eventually come back and if SWIY is really scared, he should consider getting a tattoo, since both is by certain people not accepted but tattoos are more and can also look nice, the scars wont disappear anytime soon.

[cra$h]

swim knows one who has nasty scars from smack, and he's been clean for a while now, probably around 5 years if I had to guess. He's also missing chunks of his shoulder and arm. and after reading how real this really is, it makes swim rethink the path he's following, and wondering if swim even likes opiates. its a good thing in swim's town resources are low.

[crunchyblack]

You can't use this shit forever. You took it to the extreme and now you have nothing else to gain from it. You have a long hard road ahead but it can be done in time. And if you fall off the wagon just get back up and try again.

[biggpri]

the time it takes for one to feel high again after long term opiate abuse varies from person to person. when someone abuses opiates/opioids, the opiate receptors in the brain become desensitized and dwindle away, along with the brain's ability to produce natural opiates (endorphins). it depends on one's individual biology how long it takes for the brain to rectify this. these posts are wise, since they highlight the seriousness and hardships of opiate addiction. if anyone out there is thinking of making these substances their drug of choice, think about these posts long and hard. never assume "that'll never happen to me."

[soma]

Swim was pointing 320mg of Oxycodone daily for several years. He also uses Alprazolam, Carisoprodol, Butalbital, and Heroin. One day he injected some Oxycodone, took 8 Carisoprodol tablets, and proceeded to binge on the two substances for the weekend. He awoke after 4 days, 36 Oxycontin 80's were gone, and 120 Carisoprodol tablets were gone. He had injected all over his body because the Carisoprodol seems to make veins harder to hit. This is when he decided that things had to stop, because his addiction would kill him. He had also recently totalled his car while DUI (and didn't get charged, luckily, and was pulled over for speeding the week before while DUI, and didn't get charged then either). It was an utter miracle that SWIM wasn't hurt, his driver's side door was pushed in 2ft, and the ambulance-crew and police were asking what he had took, because he could barely walk. He mumbled something about his antidepressants Effexor and Zoloft, and somehow, they took that answer as truth.

Anyway, it took a week of hell to get his cocktail of drugs. He wasn't benzo-addicted at the time, luckily, but was definately addicted to oxycodone, and carisoprodol's prodrug, mebprobamate. His detox was assisted by the following substances: acetominophen/paracetamol, ibuprofen, losartan, and loads of loperamide. He was in significent pain during the process, but these substances helped manage it. A week later, he was depressed, but alright. He then started on a replacement therapy of tramadol, with amazing results. 400mg/day of tramadol provided equal replacement therapy as did 24mg/buprenorphine/day at a fraction of the cost. Buprenorphine was not an option due to the cost- nearly $1200/month for his therapy in the past- not sustainable. He pays roughly $150/month for his tramadol, and feels no urges to use other opioids or drugs while on it. He cannot/will not escalate his dose either due to it's inherent seizure risk above 400mg/day. He feels this is a a good thing as well.

[JJx23]

Well, not meaning to be mean or anything, but if anyone gets this far, that's sickening. I mean come on. I am 10 mg Perks and I feel all loopy from them, can't imagine being in this position though. My best of luck goes to SWIM. =\

Regards, hope SWIM gets better and some help soon.

[jilola]

Swim has no severe addictions or has ever had one but swim has much experience in meditative practises.

Since swim reliases swim has no call to suggest anything swim will stfu for now. Swim does, however, suggest there may be ways to relieve the situation.