Why is increased heart rate on amph./coke bad?

[paperstreet]

Why is it beneficial for a person to run and exercise so that their heart rate is high, but a high heart rate while on amphetamines/cocaine/any stimulant, is considered a bad thing? There is clearly more going on in one's body while high off stimulants than just a high heart rate, but why exactly are we so weary of a fast heart rate while on stimulants? It kind of seems like it would be a free workout for your body to do stims...

Any thoughts?

[stoneinfocus]

Hm, it´s not bad. it´s bad _if_ one had a heart condotion, or :when: the effects start to create a dysbalance in bodyfunction, like too much constriction of the heartvessels leading to left ventricular hypertension(sp?) of the hart chamber and probably a collaps evne death, but if one´s not overdoing it ad has no severe heartcondition/bump ticker, it´s not bad, one can get as old as any other man on the world.

Norepinephrine-release might even slower the pulse through alpha2 receptor agonism iirc and in swim´s dog this is the case with an unspecified average low dose.

[Paracelsus]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/tachycardia

Exercise is usually of short duration compared to stimulant use (especially binges). From a certain point stimulant use turns from a "free workout" into a strain on one's entire cardiovascular system. Same with blood pressure.

[Fantasian]

does that mean a stimulant user should actually have a stronger heart because it's had to work harder assuming he doesnt over use the stimulant?

[stoneinfocus]

No, it just means that it´s not as bad, if one has a healthy heart and is not overdoing stims constantly.

A healthy & trained heart is bigger, sometimes twice as big as an untrained heart resulting ina much slower resting pulse (swim´s was/is sometimes as low as 36-43bpm) and slower pulse when under work, which is supposed to be less strenous in total.

Don´t know if short stimulation of the heart will train it and make it grow bigger, but I doubt it, as for sure, some essential hormones will be amiss, compared to training as well as the muscle-pump, which helps in transporting blood by -well using muscles^^mechanically contracting the vascular system, serotonine release, higher insuline-sensivity and subequent IGF response, that´s greater than with stims alone and probalby of longer duration than through stims and well adjusted by the body itself.

[cyndi]

After many years of speed abuse, swim has high bp and migranes that may not have occurred otherwise. She also has bad insomnia and major anxiety issues. Over time it is getting better but she worries if it won't be perminent. Stimulants just cause too much pressure on the cardiac system that can't be good for swiy over time.

[stoneinfocus]

suer it´s not underlying psychology problems and the lifestyle in general(helath issues?) ?

[cyndi]

Originally Posted by stoneinfocus

suer it´s not underlying psychology problems and the lifestyle in general(helath issues?) ?

It could be, one never knows for sure swim supposes. Actually when there are underlying psychology issues, speed use tends to bring them out sooner than later.

[stoneinfocus]

Or help in ignoring them... it´s always in teh habd of the user... anyway, no-one could tell for sure... sport is supposed to make happy and restore dopamine and might help with sleeping and getting distance from one´s problems so they´re more accessible, sometime walkign for one or two hours helps swim big time and he´s having positive and logical thoughts that he wouldn´t have without.

[KL_Thomie]

Swim has those issues too these days,thats why he's trying to quit and get a decent life again.His heartrate is unregular,he has pain attacks in the chest regulary,can't be healthy anymore...Suffering from serious tics too(legs giving like electric shocks and in his face wich he can't surpress)and his sleeping ritm is totally gone wrong.Can't sleep at night,only a few hours in daylight and tired all day long.So night and day just turned opposite.Can't stand daylight either,makes him feel depressed.Paranoia is becomming a problem too even when sober.He's finally seeing the major downsides and the downsides are outweighing the "happy" effect wich is as good as gone.Tonight was his first night in about 2 months he didn't use.Non stop before this.Been on-off for the last 2 years.Wish Swim luck...Walking indeed helps,just keep yourself busy and away from speed,But Swim fears it won't take long before the amph finds him.May sound stupid but dancing on happy music helps too...But I'm going off topic now.

Take care guys,wish ya all the best

[stoneinfocus]

Strangely, swim has the best sleeping pattern and less paranoia(although reasonable) when on... the two month, when he was on were the best in his life, though it was not much 1.2g/month. he were much more socializable and gained many social friends and lost all of them when he was off, due to pain, inability, migraine and unability to be happy.

Oh. Mr. Speedy, back-pain is mostly from the kidneys or might feel like a heart condition, so don´t worry about your heart -it usually takes more for a healthy heart to die off of speed, unless it´s not 3grams of pure stuff at once or less, like 1.5g in an non-regular user.

[KL_Thomie]

Originally Posted by stoneinfocus

Strangely, swim has the best sleeping pattern and les sparanoia when on... the two moth, when he was on wee the best in his life, though it was not much 1.2g/month. he were much more socializable and gained many socila friends and lost all of them when he was off, due to pain.

Oh. Mr. Speedy, back-pain is mostly from the kidneys or might feel like a heart condition, so donßt worry about your heart -it usually takes more for a healthy heart to die off of speed, unless it´s not 3grams of pure stuff at once or less, like 1.5g in an non-regular user.

Yeah Swim knows in the back it are the kidneys but it's really on the front around the heart and hurts like hell but that is only when binging so...Got no probs with it now,not that worse...Like they say here "onkruid vergaat niet" meaning "weeds(in the bad way then)don't go down"

[stoneinfocus]

*lool* you´re right, nonetheless, swim thinks this heart-pain is due to muscle spasm in the back, tension... ;P