Health - MDMA and Drug Tests

[bineon]

I am prescribed to 30mg of Adderall on a daily basis, thus all drug tests I take will presumably show Amphetamines (and possibly Methamphetamines?) as a positive. I am under the impression that taking MDMA will also cause Amphetamines/Methamphetamines to show up.

I am also on probation (for a simple possession charge) of which random drug tests are a part. I have multiple questions:

1. Are Amphetamines and Methamphetamine tested separately from one another? Can they be?
2. If so, will one necessarily or only possibly trigger the other?
3. Assuming that there are no adulterants (that are tested for) in my roll, and that I roll the day before a drug test, will I be able to use the excuse of my Adderall prescription in defense?
3.5. What if my roll contains Methamphetamine? Can I still use the Adderall as a defense?
4. If I do use that defense, will/can my specimen be sent off for further examination (GC/MS) that would result in me being guilty of having used MDMA?

I've yet to get a drug test because I haven't been on probation for that long, so I'm not sure of the specifics of what it tests for ect. but I'm under the impression that no other common adulterants in ecstasy are tested for.

Thanks,
Aust*

[bineon]

Jesus Christ I forgot to add the fact that this was a direct paste from a friend who was asking me about this. I should have put it within quotes but cannot find the edit button =\

[RaverHippie]

assuming it's a urine test, then the MDMA should just come up as amphetamine, as would the adderall. IF the urine test has the power to distinguish between methamp and amp then the MDMA would show for methamp. Then there's the likelihood of another active illegal chemical being in the roll as well. Not a very wise choice any way it's looked at, depending on what kind of urine test it is.

[bineon]

Originally Posted by RaverHippie

assuming it's a urine test, then the MDMA should just come up as amphetamine, as would the adderall. IF the urine test has the power to distinguish between methamp and amp then the MDMA would show for methamp. Then there's the likelihood of another active illegal chemical being in the roll as well. Not a very wise choice any way it's looked at, depending on what kind of urine test it is.

What illegal chemicals (other than Methamphetamine, Amphetamines) are usually present in rolls? Neither caffeine nor ephedrine are tested for, and those are the most common adulterants. Most research chemicals that may go into it are also not tested for. I'm not trying to convince myself of anything, only trying to be objective.

And would anyone in a lab be able to differentiate from the MDMA and the A/MA? It seems like the metabolites would all be the same (minus the HHMA)

[RaverHippie]

There is a significant portion of MDMA that isn't fully metabolized and secreted as urine. So nix that idea. GC/MS will always be able todistinguish, unless SWIY considers this a faulty test to begin with. SWIM has heard of ketamine being mixed into pills.

[KyleM]

Originally Posted by bineon

I am prescribed to 30mg of Adderall on a daily basis, thus all drug tests I take will presumably show Amphetamines (and possibly Methamphetamines?) as a positive. I am under the impression that taking MDMA will also cause Amphetamines/Methamphetamines to show up.

I am also on probation (for a simple possession charge) of which random drug tests are a part. I have multiple questions:

1. Are Amphetamines and Methamphetamine tested separately from one another? Can they be?
2. If so, will one necessarily or only possibly trigger the other?
3. Assuming that there are no adulterants (that are tested for) in my roll, and that I roll the day before a drug test, will I be able to use the excuse of my Adderall prescription in defense?
3.5. What if my roll contains Methamphetamine? Can I still use the Adderall as a defense?
4. If I do use that defense, will/can my specimen be sent off for further examination (GC/MS) that would result in me being guilty of having used MDMA?

I've yet to get a drug test because I haven't been on probation for that long, so I'm not sure of the specifics of what it tests for ect. but I'm under the impression that no other common adulterants in ecstasy are tested for.

Thanks,
Aust*

The drug testers will be able to distinguish between the 3 substances SWIY mentioned. SWIM is living proof. SWIM was prescribed adderall and then his doctor switched his prescription to desoxyn in November. He got randomly drug tested by the military the day after switching prescriptions and failed the test for methamphetamine because his new prescription wasn't in his medical record yet. When the investigators showed SWIM their report, it listed amphetamine and methamphetamine (separately) as detected and they thought they had busted SWIM for illegal meth use when he should legally have only been using amphetamine according to their records. SWIM ultimately got the matter cleared up when the doctor showed them the new prescription, but this is a good learning experience for everyone here. The GC/MS will be able to distinguish meth, amp and MDMA. They are not as dumb as we may want them to be so make sure when SWIY gets drug tested during probation that the only controlled substance in SWIY's urine is amphetamine.

[bineon]

Originally Posted by KyleM

The drug testers will be able to distinguish between the 3 substances SWIY mentioned. SWIM is living proof. SWIM was prescribed adderall and then his doctor switched his prescription to desoxyn in November. He got randomly drug tested by the military the day after switching prescriptions and failed the test for methamphetamine because his new prescription wasn't in his medical record yet. When the investigators showed SWIM their report, it listed amphetamine and methamphetamine (separately) as detected and they thought they had busted SWIM for illegal meth use when he should legally have only been using amphetamine according to their records. SWIM ultimately got the matter cleared up when the doctor showed them the new prescription, but this is a good learning experience for everyone here. The GC/MS will be able to distinguish meth, amp and MDMA. They are not as dumb as we may want them to be so make sure when SWIY gets drug tested during probation that the only controlled substance in SWIY's urine is amphetamine.

Jesus, lets hope that the urine samples that SWIM took quite a while ago after going into court for various reasons never got sent off to the GC/MS...

Ahh just another thing over which SWIM to have anxiety attacks.

[bineon]

Neither SWIM nor I have heard of Ketamine triggering positives on any drug tests or false positives.

SWIM has heard of nearly everything being mixed into Ecstasy pills, but the chances of getting one with Cocaine, Opiates, PCP, Barbiturates, or Benzodiazepines seems unlikely. Seems to me like the most common problem would be Meth/Amphetamines, PMA, Caffeine, Ephedrine, and some research chemicals.

[KyleM]

The way the US military does it is they test the sample (usually NIDA 5 and possibly others if they are suspected). If it comes up positive for anything, they test it again to double check. If it comes up positive twice, it is automatically sent to GC/MS testing. They will confirm that illegal drugs were used. After that, they compare their results to the person's medical records and then check every drug on there to see if there is any validity to using the substance, then report back any failures (SWIM got his results a month later). Their reports are very accurate. Since SWIY's tests are court ordered (not ordered by an employer or parent, etc.) then they will most likely follow these guidelines. The main difference will probably be that they won't be able to pull up a medical chart like the military can for it's people, so it would be wise to have proof of legal controlled substance use ready before and after the test if given.

[bineon]

SWIM bets they didn't send it off every time (as amphetamines showed up every time). PCP showed up once (???)

[KyleM]

The people testing the samples are not going to just disregard it if they think they caught someone. Their whole job is to find illegal activity. Most likely for SWIY the sample is accurately determined to be amphetamine and the court may be aware of the prescription.