Hear voices every time take amphetamine

[enquirewithin]

Originally Posted by Pondlife

Do you have experience or knowledge of this? I would have expected that a doctor would be unlikely to "section"[1] someone just because they report hearing voices - I thought that sectioning was only used in extreme cases where the person was an immediate danger to themself or others.

[1] In the UK, admitted someone to a mental hospital against their will is called "sectioning", because the power to do so is granted by a section in The Mental Health Act 1983.

SWIPondlife is correct. A doctor in the UK would probably just prescribe you some awful 'anti-psychosis' drugs or simply tell you to go away. (SWIM knows of both happening.)

[HorseBucket]

Psychosis isn't for pussies. Its like going from living in Switzerland to living in Beirut in your mind. You only realize how easy your life was when enter a psychotic hell of a mindset. Swims lucky his experiences with psychosis were only temporary. Swim is tough as a brick but every single psychotic episode he's had shook him up and made him question how well he could handle schizophrenia.

Normal people like us without mental conditions sometimes look down on schizo's thinking "what the hell are they afraid of I wouldn't care if I had voices in my head or thought things were after me" but that is the stupidest and most ignorant thing you can think. These psychotic episodes are nightmares you can't wake up from plain and simple. Those were swims exact thoughts he was hoping that he was just having a nightmare but he knew well he was awake.

On a lighter note the more one faces these psychotic episodes head on the tougher he gets and the better able he is to deal with future ones. Also in swims case they go away with sleep and they always leave him with a more positive and productive outlook on life and he takes much less for granted because he knows how rough things can be.

Swim has also gone into nightmare mindsets in the midst of heavy salvia trips and every time he comes out of them laughing hysterically and he thinks what salvia is teaching him is that everything is constantly changing, nothings permanent, we're dynamic so whatever hell of a mindset we find ourselves in we can rest assured knowing that we're only visiting. This is what I've learned from dreams too. Bad trips are blessings in disguise. They're the only way to learn these lessons. I think thats something all of us psychedelic warriors can agree on.

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Originally Posted by humdroid

Could the depression be the last remnants of last years psychoses needing clearing?

Humroid the mind is like a big complex computer that nobody thought us how to use so when we go and fuck it up theres nobody to tell us how to fix it. Luckily in this day and age there are methods of repairing anything that goes wrong with the mind. Look into hypnosis and NLP. Hypnosis is the key to the mind. Its like opening up the computer box and fixing anything that might be wrong in there.

[purplehaze]

The voice in your head is a very interesting thing, the voice in my head is telling me what to post here, im thinking it out and saying it in my head, i can talk to the voice it thinks and i can answer with the voice. Sometimes the voice carries on a conversation about my surroundings, your voice is reading this post now. Differentiating between this is and a physcotic episode is believing the voice is someone else, how do you feel about this voice.

Do you believe the voice is in your head (meaning its you), or do you believe the voice is a spirit?

I would recommend seeing a doctor, in the U.S. most likley you will be prescribed something along the lines of serequal an anti-physcotic drug. Can you work the problem out on your on meaning stopping taking meth, or is the voice breaking thru when your not on meth anymore?

Regardless of your information given to us, i would highly suggest seeing a doctor, now knowing that saying that is pretty useless in some cases because sometimes people aren't going to see a doctor no matter how valued the opinion is. We can try to access the problem but you have to work it out, this means it might take a doctor.

[doublezero]

swim met a gurl in the nut house that was doing alot of speed and hearing voices,
she was in quite a state, swim talked to her and helped her out.
she couldnt speak much at the start, but eventually she started to talk a bit more each day,
After a while she started to hear my voice in her head,
They put her on an anti psycotic (haliperadol) and eventually the voices calmed down and stopped
I saw her in a night club a few months later, and seemed like a regular girl, she had totally stopped the speed and the voices had stopped.

[Panthers007]

Here you need to do what is called a declaration. You want someone locked up for psychiatric observation? Go to the cops. Say you 'declare' so & so a risk to self and/or others. If the cops don't go get a writ from a judge, and that person goes nuts and kills self/others - the cops are legally responsible. Guess what they do?

[stoneinfocus]

Originally Posted by Panthers007

Here you need to do what is called a declaration. You want someone locked up for psychiatric observation? Go to the cops. Say you 'declare' so & so a risk to self and/or others. If the cops don't go get a writ from a judge, and that person goes nuts and kills self/others - the cops are legally responsible. Guess what they do?

Exactly.... but concerning the voices issue: couldn´t hearing voices be a great opinion to medicate with shrooms or LSD? Like, the effect will diminish or resolve the already existing effect or at least one had one more valid reason for hearing voices... swim says, everytime, something is unbearable with his PTSD, he takes some shrooms and feels like dying (in a bad way), but afterwards, he feels significantly better and is not scared anymore.

But in his case, amphetamines work way better and he´s "psychotic" without them.

[purplehaze]

Sprinkle some crack on them and say fuck the paper work?

[Panthers007]

Isn't that sort of like dropping a jacked-up car on your foot to take your mind off your headache?

[some_random_guy]

Originally Posted by kitty44

Hi - SWIM hears voices every time SWIM takes speed now and has had a couple of psychotic episodes so has to be careful not to overdo it. There's one male voice told me his life story and told me he was a spirit. Anyone else get voices? Wonder if it he really is a spirit, or is my head just fucked basically.

Have you ever thought that you were just psychically sensitive? Speed makes you more spiritually sensitive than normal. Your head is NOT fucked up, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Don't let any doctors label you crazy, deal with this on your own.

Have you tried to, talk to these voices? Ykno... Talk to them, and say, "I deny you, I do not want to hear your life story, I do not wish this so leave me alone and find someone willing."

Spirituality is much more common than you'd think... Sometimes psychotic disorders... Are not all that psychotic..

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Originally Posted by suavem1

If that was me, meaning you. I would consider never never doing speed again . How would you like to be stuck in that moment forever . Possibly opening a door that you cant shut!!! Dont go their, now i know someone who opened the door and has to take medication for the voices. Please becarefull!!!

These things can be solved without medication.. You shouldn't propogate fear you should propogate knowledge without bias. Fearing someone into submission isn't the best way to handle things in every situation, even though your concern comes from the heart, there are doors that are meant to be open, and there are people that are meant to walk through them not to get stuck in the doorway.

Who knows if this girl was meant to walk through the doorway, and not numb herself with meds?

[Panthers007]

Originally Posted by some_random_guy

Have you tried to, talk to these voices? Ykno... Talk to them, and say, "I deny you, I do not want to hear your life story, I do not wish this so leave me alone and find someone willing."

The talking to the voices is an interesting concept. I have used a similar tact with people who are in a situation where their self-esteem had hit rock-bottom and they had essentially given up on themselves. They didn't report hearing voices, but I encouraged them to find the part of their mind that was telling them they were worthless, stupid, fat, and so forth.

After using relaxation techniques that worked for the person, I would ask them to find the part within their mind that was making them feel this way. To visualize it as though it were an entity with a physical form. And they would. I asked them what this entity was saying to them. They reported it was screaming at them. I asked what they were doing as it screamed - and they said they were scared and frightened. I then suggested they stand up - in their mind's eye - and approach this creature. Hands open and tell it you were not there to harm it. That you wished to be it's friend.

Once the open-handed approach was accomplished, they would then have a dialogue with the entity. Asking it why it was there (I am part of you was common). What it was doing( you wouldn't let me talk to you). Why it was doing(I am here to help you). The results were that the person became friends with a part of their own self that was fragmented and unable to communicate with the whole self. Then the re-integration of the two would follow to it's conclusion.

It works.

[humdroid]

Originally Posted by some_random_guy

Have you ever thought that you were just psychically sensitive? Speed makes you more spiritually sensitive than normal. Your head is NOT fucked up, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Don't let any doctors label you crazy, deal with this on your own.

Have you tried to, talk to these voices? Ykno... Talk to them, and say, "I deny you, I do not want to hear your life story, I do not wish this so leave me alone and find someone willing."

Spirituality is much more common than you'd think... Sometimes psychotic disorders... Are not all that psychotic..

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These things can be solved without medication.. You shouldn't propogate fear you should propogate knowledge without bias. Fearing someone into submission isn't the best way to handle things in every situation, even though your concern comes from the heart, there are doors that are meant to be open, and there are people that are meant to walk through them not to get stuck in the doorway.

Who knows if this girl was meant to walk through the doorway, and not numb herself with meds?

The post is good, but I wouldnt use the psychotic episodes in speed for spirituality.
Maybe sensitive people could use a herb (consult a herbalist, as I havent much knowledge) which would aid, guidance and positivity, and also deal with any sinister voices (not everyone gets those) as these could just be metaphors for that persons own shadow characteristics, which need turning round into their positive counterparts.

Ive had speed addiction, and psychotic episodes from them. Im speed free now, but used to marvel at what comes through psychotically. I would get music, random funny phrases, mates conversations inflections, but no words as such (thank god). Things got a bit scary when I leant out of my window, offering my mobile to an imaginary group of people panicking over an overdosed smackhead in the street. They had no way to call the paramedics.
There were no smackheads, no panic and no overdose, just speed psychosis embarrassedly.

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Intersting anecdote about speed.

[enquirewithin]

The only doorways that excessive amphetamine abuse, especially those who are sensitive, are ones you will have to shut later.

Speed can seem spiritual (see the story of Philip K. Dick, for example). The person who opened this thread doesn't seem to be reading it anyway, but the only sensible advice to give her is to stop taking speed.

[enquirewithin]

Sometimes 'voices' tell you that you are some kind of messiah or possessing amazing qualities as well, often alternating with ones which denigrate you. Whilst you might learn a lot from such episodes, SWIhumroid is right in saying that they won't spiritually enlighten you.

[Mortis]

I used to hear voices when i was am sober, but when i did amphetamine, they all dissapeared (sure they did come back after couple days of binge...). Actually, i still hear some voices, but i'm so used to them that they don't mind me, but amphetamine takes them off instantly


The voices first started when i was doing ALOT of speed and allso smoking cannabis. Then i was in a kinda like schizophrenic psychosis for around an half a year. Sometimes feeling kinda normal, sometimes feeling like there were flying sourcers coming to get me or a nuclear bomb landing on my city... I actually was very afraid of doctors and didn't get hospitalized during that time... After around a half a year, i still heard voices, but didn't have any other delusions and went to doctor who ordered me Seroquel(400mg daily) and i think it has made the voices fade away(or the fact that i haven't been abusing any drugs that much).

It is kinda funny how it first started(the voices), i was just shooting some speed in my vein and i heard an angel like voice telling me not to do speed offcourse i continued injecting... Some time after that the psychosis started...

I'äm kinda fucked up at the moment, so i don't know if this story makes any sense, but i RECOMMEND TO STOP USING ANY STIMULANTS OR CANNABIS. At least for a while...

[bmk]

does swiy smoke cannibis with speed because swims friend gets this realy bad when he mixes them both but is fine when he doesnt mix them .how does the voice make you feel e.g paranoid ? does it want you to be violent? i would seriously think could this get me into trouble and can i control it but i would try to find another drug of leisure that you can enjoy with no side affects like this. it doesnt sount healthy

[bmk]

what worries me is that you say the voices are real people and you can read each others thoughts.stop taking speed now and if you still here the voices go and get some help before it gets worse there is a lot of good medication out there now.you might be on it for a month or two but if you wait it might be to late and will have this phsycosis for the rest of your life.

[HorseBucket]

Yep the OP is definitely delusional. Amphetamines and cannabis can make you delusional if you don't cling to whats real and whats not. Swih is a scientific man but hes heard voices after heavy meth binges and even hes had bizarre thoughts and gone borderline delusional.

One time swih thought he had died from a heavy binge and was just a ghost. He had seen a documentary talking about ghosts that thought they were still alive and swih was really pondering the thought that he may have died from this heavy speed binge. What triggered this was all of a sudden swih's hands went ice cold and started sweating like mad. He honestly thought he died. It was a bizarre thought. He'd never experienced anything like it. Hands going ice cold for no reason at all in swihs mind that could only mean one thing. He had just died.

Needless to say though it was just paranoia. Swih is alive and well today. My point is that amphetamines combined with cannabis can erode your rationality and sometimes we believe outrageous things with little or no evidence backing it up. Swih thinking he was dead seems crazy right now but he was truly worried that he had died. He had to go and wake his brother up to find out that he was still alive. His brother will never let him hear the end of that one. His brother was working the next morning and asked him why he woke him up and swih's exact words were "sorry I was just making sure I was still alive"

Has anyone else here had a similar experience? Hands going ice cold and sweating for no reason at all?

[doublezero]

if the voices, or presence ever laughs at you, go with it and laugh at your self and the situation, humour is the best cure

[Laudaphun]

SWIM's marmoset will not have actual auditory hallucinations, but rather voices (usually just a word or short phrase, often something that someone really said earlier in the day or week) from not stimulants, but instead lack of sleep. Before any stimulant use... for example when staying up studying for an exam, SWIM would hear just a word or phrase (almost like something in between a thought and something auditory). SWIM has always used this as a indication that her body was exhausted and that it was tiem to go to sleep. Like SWIM said, not sure if it is the same thing that is being discussed in this forum, but SWIM has experienced something similar to this before ever using stimulants, anytime she was sleep-deprived and always used it as an indicator that it was time for sleep. Usually it would be something that would happen at the instant SWIM's marmoset was on the verge of nodding off... similar to that twitch you get when you are in class and nodding off and your body twitches bringing about a short period of increased alertness. SWIM has never experienced anything that she would consider to be an auditory hallucination... moreso something like daydreaming when you are in a transition state between wakefulness and nodding off. SWIM has noticed this to be correlated with sleep deprivation and not with her use of stimulants (which is fairly limited). SWIM only uses higher than normal doses of any stimulant when she needs to stay up late (all night sometimes) to accomplish schoolwork. Unfortunately, these infrequent episodes of excessive use (from a therapeutic standpoint seem to mess up tolerance and effeectiveness to normal prescribed doses the rest of the time. For example, SWIM's marmoset took a final yesterday and woke up today after a full 8 hours of sleep and her prescribed 15mg adderall dose seemed to have no effect. Oddly enough, Adderall (amphetamine often makes SWIM drowsy, which doesn't make any sense... whereas methyphenidate is more likely to be stimulating). On the contrary, when stimulating effects from adderall are present, they are often phsycially more powerful than methylphenidate.

This is just the experience of SWIM's marmoset and how the chemicals effect her, and is likely that others will be affeted dfferently.

[asplinteredfawn]

SWIM is a daily amphetamine user. He has a Rx for 50mg of D-Amphetamine tablets a day in the form of 5 X 10mg white diamond MALLINCKRODT tablets. He also has and acquires all the Amphetamine, Methamphetamine, and dopagenic stimulants that he can get his hands on.

SWIM has had a few episodes of Amphetamine Psychosis but is also a frequent user of DMT, LSD and various strains of psycloby Mushrooms. He was living in a town house and when walking around he would hear what sounded like someone outside describing and commenting on various things he was doing in a wispering female voice.

SWIM would close the blinds and still hear the voice that sounded so real. He now was trying to figure out how they could still see him, as the voice laughed at SWIM, commenting on how he was acting silly and paranoid. But SWIM told himself it was just the Amphetamines.

SWIM at first still half believed it was real untill he recently moved into a different townhouse and still hears the voices, even though their is no possible way anyone could be looking into his windows through blinds and he knows this. Don't underestimate the effects of Amphetamine Psychosis.

This is the was one of the first times baring a time on DOC that SWIM couldnt distinguish reality from instanity, which happens to be one of his strong points on drugs. He can usually tell right away what is going on but this one voice bugs him so much. He has recently taken a break from amphetamines and still hears this voice, so he decided after a few weeks that he would try and see what some Dex would do and he didn't find that it made it any worse or any better.

The voice has gone away without any reason he can think of. It has been silent for the last 4 days. Amphetamine use continues.

[HorseBucket]

Psychosis is very similar to dreaming in SWIMs opinion. It can seem real random and bizarre but at the same time its fairly predictable and you can see where it comes from when you think about it.

[enquirewithin]

The thing to do is remember that it is amphetamine psychosis not real psychosis. It stops when the drug is out of the system. It can be viewed as an interesting phenomenon. "Creative paranoia' is a term I've seen used (something like Salvador Dali's 'paranoia critical'). The 'insights' probably are not relevant to the everyday world.

[magicmik]

[quote=kitty44;389832]Hi - SWIM hears voices every time SWIM takes speed now and has had a couple of psychotic

Swim would recommend being v careful and probably not doing speed again. Some people have a disposition to psychosis and once it takes hold it can permantly mess you up.

Swims freind was v into speed and cannabis. He would hear voices, believe there were camaras in the lights and get pseaudo hullucinations. On top he used to self harm to stop the paranoia for a few hours. Unfortuanly as he was hooked on speed (he never admitted but I think he was shooting) and that 20-min rush was worth the pain for him. He got sectioned 3-times and was v scarred. Now he's dead. He hung himself.

Swim loves chemicals and has done pretty much the lot but if swim had a tendency for psychosis swim might just stop.

[humdroid]

Y has had the voice commenting on his actions. He wanted the loo badly, but wasn't going to get his tackle out, when there were people commenting on everything.
Y tried, rationalizing it was the speed, but the voices didn't seem to know why Y kept bringing up the fact he had taken speed.

When Y passed out, he awoke, still believing his friends enemies had also started picking on him.

He continued to believe this, even though he stopped speed for a few weeks.
It was only when he took it again, the voices returned, and Y knew it was the speed, so he chugged some vitamin B complex, orange vit C drink, had a bowl of cereal and went to bed.

Y thinks it is noteworthy, that in all of his chemically induced psychotic episodes, cannabis was not used.

These days, Y was forced off speed for a couple of weeks, due to availability/quality problems.
A depressive episode started about seven days after Y's last bomb of speed.
By the time the good speed had returned, Y's depression had ramped up a few notches, rendering Y unable to take speed at the time.

This is still the case. The base is good, so Y hears, but Y is still deterred, by the depression, after the next lot of base runs out.

Could the depression be the last remnants of last years psychoses needing clearing?