Drug info - Pure Liquid Adrenaline

[BlondieUK]

Hello,

SWIMs friend has access to 60ml of pure liquid adrenalin, it's been steralised and is cleared for medical use.

Is it possible to administer this (in a very small dose) for a new high?

Swim would think either intravenously or soaked into paper (like acid) should be possible.

Any ideas/experiences/thoughts?

Thanks!

[Paracelsus]

Epinephrine (adrenaline) does not cause the blood-brain barrier and is therefore not psychoactive. It is a peripheral stimulant.

[ljfe]

Just wondering, would it just make someone energetic?

[Paracelsus]

It stimulates the peripheral sympathetic nervous system, so its effects are basically the side effects (high heart rate, BP, dilated pupils, etc.) of psychostimulants, which act in both peripheral and central nervous systems.

[Psych0naut]

First of all, adrenaline is not a research chemical. It has been around for many, many decades. Second of all, it's not recreational. Unless one finds the near-death experience of a quasi heart attack recreational. If so, more power to you ..

[beentheredonethatagain]

remember the movie PULP FICTION ? the chick O.D. on H and the John Travolta character take the syringe full of adrenaline and injects it into her heart. she then wakes up.

[fnord]

Originally Posted by Psych0naut

First of all, adrenaline is not a research chemical. It has been around for many, many decades. Second of all, it's not recreational. Unless one finds the near-death experience of a quasi heart attack recreational. If so, more power to you ..

Small doses(no idea of the actual dose)have produce a enjoyable intense rush,larger doses have proved downright frighting,one large dose had a test subject standing outside with no shirt on, sweating during a very cold maine winter day. start low and work up,oral and nasel produced no effects,IV was the only working method tested. This would be something very bad to do if one is uncertian of any potential heart conditions.

[CandiGirl]

SWIMs friend in NZ actually died from a MASSIVE adrenaline overdose by IV!

SWIm has had natural adrenal rushes and find them pretty rancid... And would imagine that an OD from this would be very, very grim.... SWIMs friend died in a hotel room in the north island of NZ.... with 7 friends around him who didn't notice he'd OD'd... He'd been dead for 2 hrs before anyone even sussed!! SWIMs guess is.... you're hearts gotta explode/implode?? Too be honest SWIM don't even wanna think about it.... He was a close friend., A fcuked friend, whom loved exploring his mind realm with DXM, acid etc and had a massive Methamphetamine problem (it's well big over there).... But didn't deserve to die like that....! Quote Fnord.... frightening in large doses.... Imagine dieing over an OD??

Shampoo.... agreed... although I would hope the post by yowhatupU was intended with sarcasm, it could be misinterpretated as "genuine" advice by some inexperienced experimenters! Although SWIM is new to this site... SWIM is NOT new to experimentation with all drugs... but some people reading these forums are not... Therefore, SWIM beleives SWIMMERS who are experienced have a responsibilty to post with care and caution, with genuine helpful advice to newbies.....

SWIMs 14 yr old brother has been patroling this site as a guest, which is what made SWIM join!

Getting back to the thread in hand.... Adrenaline, in SWIMS opinion is best left well alone... It should never be classed or even considered to be recreational... BlondieUK There are far more "enjoyable" stimulants out there!

Love and Light!

(apologies for the bold text!!!)

[cosmicruler]

SWIM has actually been administered an adrenalline shot in the heart when swim was being rushed to hospital...swim started to crash and adrenaline was the last hope!!!it was no walk in the park thats for sure...and when administered as pointed out by beentheredonethatagain it is administered by a large injection being slammed down(to get thru the breast plate?) in to the heart!!!!!

swim had a sore area and bruise around swim heart where the injection was administered for around a week....!

not swims idea of a fun RC thats for sure...

Reputation Comments on this post:

thank you for sharing

[beentheredonethatagain]

Originally Posted by cosmicruler

SWIM has actually been administered an adrenalline shot in the heart when swim was being rushed to hospital...swim started to crash and adrenaline was the last hope!!!it was no walk in the park thats for sure...and when administered as pointed out by beentheredonethatagain it is administered by a large injection being slammed down(to get thru the breast plate?) in to the heart!!!!!

swim had a sore area and bruise around swim heart where the injection was administered for around a week....!

not swims idea of a fun RC thats for sure...

can you share with us the reason someone who isn't you crashed?

[cosmicruler]

SWIM came home from work and swim flatmates had just brewed up a pot of shroom tea which probably contained well in excess of 200 shrooms....swim usually would only consume shrooms picked by swim, but as his flatmates had picked many times with swim, swim thought it would be safe....oh how wrong swim was!!!!
swim literally had a sip off the top of swims tea and within minutes knew something was not right...swim then began to get agitated and warned swims friends NOT to consume..swims friends ignored his advice...within 20 minutes swim was dripping in sweat and freezing cold all at 1nce and was really starting to fuck out, swim threw himself over the bonnet of a neighbours car and got them to call an ambulance...swim was hallucinating like NEVER before, but it was in NO terms pleasant at all...swim was rushed status 1 to hospital and not even half way there swim crashed...hence the adrenalline shot in the heart...swim thought the trip couldnt get any worse and thought swim was hallucinating hard before the adrenalline,but the ten minutes after the shot will be ingrained in swims mind for life!!!!swim honestly does not believe swim could get any closer to hell without being 6 feet under......swim had consumed Death caps and is very lucky to be alive...swims friends who didnt want to listen to swims earlier advice also were taken to hospital in serious conditions.....

swim and his friends had picked and consumed shrooms for years before this incident without a problem...swim has more than learnt swims lesson and seriously wouldnt even wish this on swims worst enemy...

keep safe people

peace.

word of warning

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quite a story

[fnord]

Im sorry cosmic ruler but seeing as others view this board and will spread teh info found here i must call BS on this one.

swim literally had a sip off the top of swims tea and within minutes knew something was not right...swim then began to get agitated and warned swims friends NOT to consume..swims friends ignored his advice...within 20 minutes swim was dripping in sweat and freezing cold all at 1nce and was really starting to fuck out, swim threw himself over the bonnet of a neighbours car and got them to call an ambulance...

The toxic effects of aminita virosa(death cap destroying angel etc) take quite a bit longer then 3-20 mins to kick in.This is more around the time frame of psylocybin mushrooms

swim was hallucinating like NEVER before, but it was in NO terms pleasant at all...s

This species is not psychoactive to the best of my knowaladge.

hence the adrenalline shot in the heart...

Epinephrine can easily be applied IV theres no need for dramatic movie stuff in teh back of a ambulance. Anyways this mushroom takes a 36+? hours to kill someone not an hour.

swim honestly does not believe swim could get any closer to hell without being 6 feet under......

Then your lucky enough not to have had the experiance of a bad trip on datura.

swim had consumed Death caps and is very lucky to be alive...swims friends who didnt want to listen to swims earlier advice also were taken to hospital in serious conditions.....

200 death caps split between a few friends would more then likely(99%IMHO) be fatal to all partys unless ones stomache was pumped quite soon after dosing.

swim and his friends had picked and consumed shrooms for years before this incident without a problem...swim has more than learnt swims lesson and seriously wouldnt even wish this on swims worst enemy...

Then we feel diffrenetly about our enemys,but anyways sorry for picking apart your post.

Reputation Comments on this post:

	Good rebuttal
	Thank you for that. Adrenaline into the heart indeed!
	he may have had to get stomach pumped, but the shot to heart does sound like b/s. you're prolly right.

[beentheredonethatagain]

Fnord, that's a pretty detailed post that cosmic ruler shared, usually b/s stories are not that detailed, IMO.

I was thinking he was going to tell of a H overdose, something that very well could be b/s, but because he took a different angle , it may be true.

[Fantasian]

Sorry im with fnord on this, SWIF being in the medical area as an occupation has never ever seen an injection of adrenaline been given straight to the heart, it's just not done. IV is easily good enough and if i was needed to be put in the heart a central line would be established by going through the shoulder not merely slamming a needle through the breastplate the dangers of such a proceedure far outweigh the likelihood of helping the patient.

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thank you for the insight

[ReAlitY-HoLds-NonE]

What would one achieve by injecting something directly into the heart?? all it essentually means is a faster distribution, but how sooner really?!.. if it is injected in say the arm or leg, it wouldnt take long to get to the heart and then circulate around from there.. additionally.. surely the risks of injecting into the heart are greater than any advantages, if there are any?!.. like a freaking heart attack?! or perhaps permenant damage to an important area such as any of the synapse ares?!.. fuck, there goes the heart, its no longer regulated in beating.. SHITE IM DEAD

[stoneinfocus]

It can be admistered to the heart, through the breast, the logic is, that if the heart alread stopped beating, it will be already in place to work.

Adrenaline, injected to a vein or into tissue, tends to string the vessels together, as such it´s applied very diluted with big amounts of water -20ml syring or so, to avoid this effect, but small amounts for allergic reaction treatment can be injected sub-q or im.

there will be, as a cause to the vasonscriction, most likely be a purpel colour even necrosis might occur, when injected too concentrated into a vein or tissue and the substance won´t get into the system as it has cut itself off the circulatory system.

It has no recreational value, heart-palpations, sweat, soft knees, as if one were to escape from a serious brawl and great dangers of heart arrhythmia.

Other substances are much much safer and the better adrenaline for the reason intended.

[fnord]

How safe is adrenalin use? what would be a safe dose to use IV? is this substance active via intra-bumbum administration?

It can be admistered to the heart, through the breast, the logic is, that if the heart alread stopped beating, it will be already in place to work.

Yes ICI's (IntraCardiac Injections) are sometimes used,but only as a last resort,this could tear the peracardium? and other heart tissue so this is something VERY rare. i bet if you were to call your local ER you would be hard pressed to find a doctor thats actual performed a ICI with Epi, This is not something that could be performed by ambulance driver ESP. in a moving vehical.

Just because it was in pulp fiction dosent make it real

[stoneinfocus]

Sure, swim wanted to add, that it´s most likely done in an open-heart surgery.

[cosmicruler]

fnord...why would swim make up or lie about an horrific experience like this???really..thats the most ridiculous thing swim has ever heard!!!!

have you ever taken death caps fnord??do you no what it feels like??have you had an adrenalline shot before???if the answer is no (as i imagine it is) then please either keep your opinions to yourself or at the least make sure your corrections(or attempt at) are factually correct!!!!

[cosmicruler]

the mushrooms described above were 'believed to be' death caps(swim should have made this clear from the start,and as swim never actually viewed the fresh shrooms swim could only go by swims friends later description! ) by the ambulance and hospital staff...swim is not here to lie and make up stories...that really fucks swim off that fnord would jump to such conclusions!!swim did not want to share swims experience, swim was asked why swim was administered adrenalline and swim answered the best swim could!!!!
the shrooms picked were believed to be Copelandia cyanescens 'blue meanies' but swim learnt after consumption and a few days after this whole drama that they looked exactly like 'meanies' but had a very green tinge to them!!!!

below are a few quotes swim just found:

"Published medical reports of cases involving psilocybian mushroom poisoning are often confusing when presented by individuals who are unaware of the particular species of mushrooms which were consumed."
" This has often hampered proper medical diagnosis, resulting in delayed treatment, especially if the doctors cannot properly identify the causative species involved."

"While much documentation exists in regards to the users who sought medical treatment, it should be mentioned that many may be afraid to seek medical aid because of fear of prosecution. A good example of this is the teenager who died in Whidbey Island, Washington from eating a poisonous variety of fungi which she thought was a Psilocybe species."

more quotes re effects:

* More cramps, sweats/chills and nausea/ vomiting than acid (LSD).
* Sometimes effects are unpredictable and intense, with an increased chance of panic attacks or bad trips. This is partly due to the difficulty in measuring dose and extent of other toxins.
* Effects occur within 15 to 45 minutes, and can include muscle weakness and twitches, nausea and vomiting, sweating, chills and shivering followed by heightened sensations which last for 4 to 5 hours. Different people however, will have different experiences.
* They can also have a strong hallucinogenic effect.
* The strength of Magic Mushrooms varies considerably depending on the type, age, recent rain and soil conditions. Mushrooms from the same batch vary and some are toxic. It’s safer to take a small dose and wait 2 hours before having more (if required) than losing the plot big-time.
There are many different species of poisonous mushrooms in New Zealand and many poisonous mushrooms like very similar to "non toxic' mushrooms. Even tiny amounts of some mushrooms can cause serious poisoning.
There are many different types of toxic mushrooms, and they cause a variety of effects.

Some mushrooms cause vomiting and diarrhea, others may cause slowing of the heart rate and lowering of the blood pressure, some cause hallucinations and seizures, and others can cause life-threatening liver and kidney toxicity.

Some types of mushroom poisoning can occur rapidly, whereas some very toxic mushrooms can have symptoms that are delayed for several days or weeks. It is very important not to wait for symptoms to occur, and to take the person to a doctor as soon as possible after the ingestion.

swim believes alot of the above applies to swims experience.and will add more before correcting some of the misinformation fnord has added above!!!

[cosmicruler]

Which Kinds Of Mushroom Are Poisonous?

"NEVER try to identify a mushroom yourself. Textbooks and the internet are not a reliable source for identification since poisonous and non-poisonous mushrooms often look alike. Only an experienced mycologist can properly identify a mushroom.

Even "non-toxic" wild mushrooms can sometimes cause poisoning due to excessive consumption, difficulty in digestion, spoiled fungi, presence of heavy metals, parasitic growth in fungi or spore allergies"

" The word toadstool refers to any other fungus with a cap and stem (this may be long to very short) and thus includes both poisonous and non-poisonous species. The poisonous properties of some fungi, especially of native species, have not been properly investigated, and many of the fungi whose properties are better known are introduced species that grow in association with introduced temperate trees"

seen as swim has retracted swims original statement regarding the term 'death cap' and apologise for any misunderstanding caused by using this term, swim now believes most of fnords statements are probably true if applicable to Amanita phalloides "death caps", but have NO relevance in terms of swims experience and poisoning...

Quote by fnord}"Epinephrine can easily be applied IV theres no need for dramatic movie stuff in teh back of a ambulance"

just to clarify swim was administered an adrenalline shot into the heart as previously explained in the back of the ambulance(which had stopped moving and pulled to the side of the road as they tried to keep swim alive and stabilise)!!!!

i hope this clarifys a few points!!!!

[Jatelka]

Cosmicruler: You obviously had an awful experience, and for that I offer my sympathy, but I have to question your interpretation of it.

Was your marmoset told they had received intracardiac adrenaline? Have they seen their medical notes regarding this episode?

Intra-cardiac adrenaline is the stuff of Urban Legend and Pulp-Fiction. It is not part of any Advanced Life Support Protocol any where in the world (and the flamingo has been leading Cardiac Arrest Teams for nigh on 10 years).

As fnord so rightly points out, it can be given IV (and also via an ET tube) so why on earth would anyone attempt to deliver it through a large piece of bone?

There are a few bits and pieces in the literature about IC injections, but they are in the context of Cardiac Surgery and Cardio-pulmonary bypass (ie: already huge hole in the chest)

Unless you can provide more than hearsay, then, I'm sorry this goes into "Drug-Myths"

Reputation Comments on this post:

	Thank you for ending that!
	Thanks,if i couild id buy you a drink!

[cosmicruler]

unless swim was hallucinating so hard that swim imagined a large needle being plunged into swims chest and the red mark and bruise that lasted just under a week(1nce swim had 'come down' and returned home) then YES swim was administered an adrenalline shot in the heart..and YES swim saw the medical reports and YES swim even spoke to the ambulance officer in charge about the incident a few months after...

again swim will state swim is NOT here to lie or make shit up...i understand peoples confusion and lack of belief but i am NOT going to say it again...short of me posting a copy of my medical report there is NO way i can prove to you all beyond all doubt that this is what occured, but really swim is 26 years old and REALLY has no want or need to make up BS!!!

I am not a medical professional and dont profess to be but given the fact that swim just did a quick google search using the term "Intra-cardiac adrenaline" and came back with MANY hits both from NZ and abroad describing how it is administered and recent patients cases of having Intra-cardiac adrenaline administered SWIM wonders why people on this forum DO NOT believe swim...?
If mods were to check swims previous posts they should be able to tell that SWIM is not some young, dumb BS storytelling type of person that can/could be bothered making up and typing out large posts like those swim has just submitted...
swim is unsure what swiatelka does for a job and is not saying swijatelka is not alot more knowledgeable on the subject than swim(far far from it) but swim has just accessed a site from swims country that CLEARLY outlines the use/dosage etc etc of Intra-cardiac adrenaline!!!

swim has nothing more to add, and is NOT bothered if people choose to dis-believe SWIMS experience but please do some searching for swiys selves before disregarding swims statements!!!!

oh and 1 last thing, even if swiys choose to disbelieve swims experience at the least use swims experience as a learning curb and always be careful when consuming mushrooms or any other substance...before this incident swim was young, dumb and thought swim was superman and that nothing could ever hurt swim etc etc(as alot of young men that age do) But obviously this was far from the case and it took an horrific experience like this for swim to wake the fuck up..!!!!BE CAREFUL!

peace

[Psych0naut]

If you want to have a nice adrenaline experience without dying of an overdose(well, it could happen if you have heart problems, but that aside), take up sky-diving, bungeejumping, basejumping, doing wheelies with 300km/hr on a Suzuki Hayabusa or trad/ artificial or extreme solo climbing. It supplies you with an actual euphoric rush of adrenaline, there is less chance of dying of an OD(though accidents can happen with extreme sports like these), and yes, I've been there and done that(bungeejumping, skydiving, flying a deltawing, trad and extreme solo climbing), and it certainly works if you're seeking an adrenaline rush!

[dirk]

Originally Posted by Psych0naut

If you want to have a nice adrenaline experience without dying of an overdose...... take up sky-diving, bungeejumping, basejumping, doing wheelies with 300km/hr on a Suzuki Hayabusa or trad/ artificial or extreme solo climbing. ........... and yes, I've been there and done that

Psych0naut, knowing what you know, don't you also think you should also warn about the other adverse effects of an adrenalin habit? (apart from the risks inherent in aquiring the fix).

cost?
tolerance?
habituation/addiction?
social isolation when in the company of non-users?
chronic boredom between doses?
binge usage?
physiotherapy bills?
relationship problems with non-users?
withdrawl effects?

I imagine D.F. has more than it's fair share of people who have (or have had) a bit of an adrenalin habit.

Anyone here care to comment on thier experience with this endogenous addictive drug?