What is a good 'theraputic' dose of MDMA?

[raid517]

Hi, as the title says I am interested in what might possibly be considered by other forum members as a perhaps potentially therapeutically useful dose of pure crystal MDMA?

To put another way, is here any such thing as a useful, preferably non-impairing (or perhaps at least not unreasonably so) and potentially therapeutic dose of MDMA - and if so, how much in general should one probably expect to take if there was?

SWIM may soon possibly need to enter a potentially extremely awkward and very difficult social situation - and he is curious if perhaps a small amount of this substance might ease the tension and also possibly help break the ice. (At least on his part).

However he really doesn't want his use to be very noticeable (and preferably not noticeable at all if possible), as it would probably be much worse for everyone concerned if maybe he looked somewhat out of it.

So is there a reasonable amount to take that would give you most of the good effects without making you look and feel that that you are really and totally off your face?

Also is it possible to take a certain amount of M - and still perform relatively normally (and also preferably to still be able to read, which is something SWIM often finds really hard when he is tripping). Say for example one wished to perform some relatively simple and also quite repetitive data entry tasks, is there an amount of M that one could take that while allowing at least some of the more pleasant (and possibly most useful) aspects of this substance, would still probably not have an overly serious impact on performance?

[BeachBabeluvinlife]

From swim's own experince with pure mdma and for your particular situation Swim is going to suggest that you take 1/2 - 1 point for your uneasy social situation. This is also depending on if swiyou have taken pure mdma or E's before? From what swim has read, it seem's that you haven't. This should relax you enough to make you feel comfortable and easy with yourself and the situation. Anymore, swim feel's you may be alittle TOO open LOL Swim also feel's that also 1/2 - 1 point would be good for data entry and all computer business without seeing double LOL Take it from swim, you don't want to be taking anymore than this (1 point) otherwise you won't feel like doing the stuff you want. If you know what I mean. I hope this has helped you. Another question I also have is how do swiyou plan on taking the mdma?

[raid517]

Well yes, SWIM has taken crystal MDMA several times in the past (mostly throughout the duration of much of last year, since first rather belatedly discovered this drug at the beginning of that year, during which period he probably roughly consumed it on a monthly - and occasionally on a twice monthly basis). (In fact this is really all he has ever used when consuming MDX type substances).

However, he has never really used M in this kind of setting before. Also in the past when he has used it, he has tended to do so for maximum effect. This probably meant that in most cases, it is likely he consumed far more on each of these occasions than could reasonably be considered to have any really beneficial, or potentially therapeutic value. (The most I think he has ever consumed in one single instance is by putting about 600mg in a gelcap and orally ingesting this. This naturally got SWIM very and quite noticeably wrecked. However he does know that through the softer end of the roll when things start to wind down, it is possible to not perhaps look so out of it and to also still be able to talk quite openly).

Essentially the situation is that he is a mature student and is attending college. Through the first half of the year it is fair to say that he had a certain emotional involvement with another of his class mates of the opposite sex. However for a number of complex reasons, there is currently what perhaps feels is something of a quite deep and emotionally charged distance between them. (An almost equal part of which is also probably due to SWIM). SWIM knows that he really and truly fucked up big time - and there are a lot of things that he thinks he might be able to say and which he probably wishes he could.

So SWIM wonders if maybe he could possibly just stop being a twat for 10 minutes and just say say what's really on his mind (which is something he has always found difficult at times like these), if perhaps this might make things a little easier and less awkward. He has a chance maybe to explain himself a little in an upcoming presentation in class (hence the data entry question as he will probably be using a whiteboard) and he is considering using this as a means of offering a somewhat subtle - but still really quite public apology for much of his behaviour.

From reading around, it seems that the average street pill would in general tend to contain between 60 to 80mg of MDMA. (Although often they are full of other crap too). So given that I'm not very sure what you mean by taking 1/2 - 1 point, at a guess I would say that possibly something in the 60 - to 65mg range would provide at least some additional confidence - and that maybe it might help lower his emotional barriers a little too.

Would anyone else agree that this could be a reasonable amount to take without risking very seriously causing impairment, or causing someone to noticeably look like they are really out of it? Bare in mind that SWIM has had a 3 month break from MDMA and doesn't intend to use it again for quite a long time after this. (Although I doubt he will ever really quit completely).

[pinkandfluffy]

It totally depends on the quality of mandy you have. With the mandy that swim gets hold of, i would say a little over 1/8 of a gram would be good, for feeling free and loving but maintaining normality and control; But that is a standard dose to get f*cked up on for others, because of the varying quality.

I'm not sure if i would completely reccomend it as a drug to be more sociable on: it WOULD work, but swim finds that it can make people talk absolute non-stop drivel, esp. if taken in high amounts.

[raid517]

So roughly 125mg? SWIM rather thought that mandy was almost always 'pure'. He wasn't aware that it could vary greatly in quality.

Fortunately the stuff that SWIM gets is usually from the same source - and always seems to have a very high and very consistent quality. (With lots of quite big crystals in it).

SWIM reasoned that if this was of high purity, then something equating to 75mg (which generally from reading around equates to roughly 1 street pill) might be enough to do it. He was somewhat concerned that taking more than this could have a very counter-productive impact.

125mg might be pushing it a little - as this is quite near to two normal street pills - and although he isn't keen - he has seen people get totally wrecked of their nuts on two just pills like this.

However having measured out 75mg - he is very shocked as just how little this is, particularly when compared to what he would normally take - as he didn't always exactly measure this out. It's a frickin' tiny amount really.

He may therefore try something more around the 100mg mark - which seems like a reasonable compromise between the two extremes.

He really hopes he doesn't just end up tripping his face off and acting stupid.

SWIM understands what you mean about talking crap. SWIM hates talking to often very straight and sober people, which he has done quite a few times in the past and sometimes trying to hug the and telling them he loves them (which he really doesn't) and generally just talking a load of shit.

But there have also been times when he has spoken to people in certain settings and has been able to say quite important and deep things and when the experience has been really quite gratifying.

SWIM probably wishes that there was an alternative to this - such as a drug that eased social phobias and had all of the social inclusion - and occasionally emotionally insightful aspects of mandy - but that didn't cause him to trip his balls off, or to become severely impaired.

He tried Amphetamines for this - but when doing tasks he found he became so focused on what he was doing that it felt more like he was fixated. Not only this, but his fixation became so pronounced that much of his thought processes became really extremely narrow and lacked any real kind flexibility So not a good drug for for performing tasks, or attempting to engage others in a really quite challenging conversation.

[raid517]

Shit. SWIM reports that his plan isn't working out so well. He stuck with his original 75mg plan - and about 45 minutes later he reports that the onset is really quite strong and that he is having trouble focusing on the computer screen. He does not feel at the moment that he would be able to perform very many complex - and also quite a few quite fairly simple tasks too. So his plan to perhaps use this as a small confidence booster while doing the presentation is probably now totally impractical. (He says he really almost feels quite out of it).

It was probably a pretty dumb idea anyway.

He will wait and see how he feels after he is through the peak and will attempt some simple slightly cognitive tests in about an hour or so.

This was supposed to be a real experiment - as it's possibly not a question that has been asked very much before, in that is there an amount you can take therapeutically that can help you overcome social phobias and occasionally to deal with potentially very difficult personal situations (which may also be affected by these phobias)?

I'm not really sure any more if the answer to these problems even comes in a pill.

[Psych0naut]

100 to 120 mg, depending on the sex of the subject and body weight. For a normal to lightweight female 80mg would suffice, while a heavy male could take 130mg. But the average therapeutical dose would be between 100 to 120mg.

[raid517]

So how do you account for the fact SWIM now tells me he is pretty much tripping balls while banging his ass off at full force on his stereo right now?

As of this exact moment SWIM is failing to see how this could have any kind of practical application. (Still fun in the right setting though I suppose).

[raid517]

Nearly 2 hours in and although SWIM is amazed at how little it can really take, the biggest (and possibly only) benefit to taking such a small amount is that it appears to be fairly short acting. XTC it seems is not like other drugs. You can certainly have one small drink in a bar and still feel still able to function normally afterwards, you can often only have a few puffs on a joint - but there is no such thing as a small XTC. It is a very unpredictable drug.

[TMM]

I would've thought 100mg definitely too much for SWIY's purposes. That's basically a standard recreational dose, likely to knock the socks off anyone without a decent tolerance. If SWIY just wants a small boost for an awkward situation, seriously try something more like 20 or 30mg. Honestly, I'd just recommend a small amount of alcohol, to loosen the tongue and lower the inhibitions.

[gilligan_911]

yes swim agrees but maybe a little higher dosage. try 50-70mg and see what the day will bring. Swim is used to taking E in social situations where either

a. everyone else is sober b. he has to do cognitive thinking or c. he just wants to have fun and love everything.

it all depends on your bio-chemistry to really know what a good dose is for you. take 2 months and space out low doses at every 3 weeks and take 5-HTP inbetween to promote seretonin replenishing.


there is nothing in the world quite like e.