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Old 15-03-2008, 17:09
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"Sherm isn't PCP"

the other night at a friend's house, swim's pals were insisting that sherm and embalming fluid are one drug, and pcp is another entirely.

i don't want my friends to end up messing themselves up with such a misconception. can swim get some backup on this so he can convince his friends?
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Old 15-03-2008, 18:42
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Re: "Sherm isn't PCP"

Supposedly, 'sherm' is a cigarette/joint dipped in either embalming fluid or PCP. Why anyone would want to smoke either of those is beyond me.
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Old 16-03-2008, 16:06
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Re: "Sherm isn't PCP"

pcp and angel dust are the same thing, and smoking angel dust , well its kinda good.

sherm, dip, wetdaddy, pimp stick, butt naked, these are names for a kool cigarette dipped in crap and I mean crap , prolly some dead body preserative or brake fulid and it sucks big and I've seen people go fuckin crazy on it, and they never realy snap back into place.

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Old 16-03-2008, 17:40
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Re: "Sherm isn't PCP"

a sherm stick is a cig dipped in pcp. SWIM is pretty sure pcp is rare anywhere now and days. SWIM only knows this from rap artist talkin about them in songs.

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Old 16-03-2008, 17:49
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Re: "Sherm isn't PCP"

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a sherm stick is a cig dipped in pcp. SWIM is pretty sure pcp is rare anywhere now and days. SWIM only knows this from rap artist talkin about them in songs.

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not true , even your link says it is embalming fluid. Trust beentheredonethat, he has been in the drug culture for a day or two. Angel Dust is the real PCP.
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Old 16-03-2008, 17:55
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Re: "Sherm isn't PCP"

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not true , even your link says it is embalming fluid. Trust beentheredonethat, he has been in the drug culture for a day or two. Angel Dust is the real PCP.
SWIM is not saying he is right. SWIM is just trying to give alternative answers also for a wider range of information. SWIM is sure SWIY is right and SWIM agrees with SWIY. SWIM knows nothing first hand about PCP but only what he has learned from previous years. But also what is PCP is it both. Its such a rare drug SWIM believes both could be classified as PCP?SWIM thought angel dust was just a nickname.
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Old 16-03-2008, 18:07
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Re: "Sherm isn't PCP"

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SWIM is not saying he is right. SWIM is just trying to give alternative answers also for a wider range of information. SWIM is sure SWIY is right and SWIM agrees with SWIY. SWIM knows nothing first hand about PCP but only what he has learned from previous years. But also what is PCP is it both. Its such a rare drug SWIM believes both could be classified as PCP?SWIM thought angel dust was just a nickname.
allow me to back up for a second. Sherm is short for sherman, and in the late 60's until about the early 80's people would take pcp (angel dust) and sprinke the powder (dust) on a joint and it would call it a sherman.

Pcp is an animal tranquilzer and it is white. also if it were placed on marijuana you could say it was "dusted".

I hope this helps.

p.s. if one were to smoke the wetdaddy or buttnaked or dip or what ever they call that devil fluid they dip cigarettes into becareful because it is very flamable, do not use a regular flame to light it, no! the only way I know to light it without the whole thing catching and going up in a blaze is to use the cigarette lighter found in cars. you know the kind where you push in the lighter and wait for it to heat up and then it pops halfway out, those use a heating coil and not a open flame.

I would not recomend smoking dip, they also call it " wack " for a reason.

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Old 16-03-2008, 18:14
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Re: "Sherm isn't PCP"

SWIM is confused, how does embalming fluid even get one high?

My penguin sees a possible connection with the stupidity required to smoke embalming fluid and the taboo of PCP. Is PCP only so tabooed because of the lengths that people who want to get that high will go to when they don't have their desired substance? Could it be that these other substances are what causes the people to fight 10 cops or to stab their eyes out?

Penguin has always had a very large interest in PCP, yet everywhere he turns he hears, "No, it's horrible." Hearing that people smoke these other substances like break fluid or embalming fluid instead of PCP makes him think that PCP may just be unfairly viewed.

Ahem, sorry, didn't mean to go slightly off-topic. Carry on.
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Old 16-03-2008, 18:19
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Re: "Sherm isn't PCP"

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SWIM is confused, how does embalming fluid even get one high?

My penguin sees a possible connection with the stupidity required to smoke embalming fluid and the taboo of PCP. Is PCP only so tabooed because of the lengths that people who want to get that high will go to when they don't have their desired substance? Could it be that these other substances are what causes the people to fight 10 cops or to stab their eyes out?

Penguin has always had a very large interest in PCP, yet everywhere he turns he hears, "No, it's horrible." Hearing that people smoke these other substances like break fluid or embalming fluid instead of PCP makes him think that PCP may just be unfairly viewed.

Ahem, sorry, didn't mean to go slightly off-topic. Carry on.
Back in the day when real PCP was in season, I'll call it angel dust, people would snort it, smoke it , and I guess inject too ( I am not sure about that)
it was in powder form, anyway if you did too much a padded cell would be home for a few days. Yes Too much angel dust will make the doctors think you were nuts.

The stuff that makes people run in the streets naked and crazed enough to take on an army of cops is the dip, NIK (no one I know ) has smoked it twice , and felt like a demon. In a very bad way.
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Old 16-03-2008, 18:21
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Re: "Sherm isn't PCP"

So will too much LSD, too many mushrooms; too much of any psychedelic is going to be a little hard on the mind. That doesn't mean that, if done in reasonable doses, it can't be a marvelous drug.
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Old 16-03-2008, 18:45
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Re: "Sherm isn't PCP"

I cant resist:


If you SWIM, you have to get wet.
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Old 16-03-2008, 18:51
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Re: "Sherm isn't PCP"

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So will too much LSD, too many mushrooms; too much of any psychedelic is going to be a little hard on the mind. That doesn't mean that, if done in reasonable doses, it can't be a marvelous drug.
I totaly agree
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Old 16-03-2008, 18:59
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Re: "Sherm isn't PCP"

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The stuff that makes people run in the streets naked and crazed enough to take on an army of cops is the dip, NIK (no one I know ) has smoked it twice , and felt like a demon. In a very bad way.
This is what is intriguing to my penguin. Was the dip mixed with both embalming fluid (or whatever was used) and PCP? If it was not a mixture, then what was psychoactive??

Was it a psychedelic experience? Was it more of a body high? If it was not mixed with PCP then why is it even related?

Here's penguin's main point: If the stuff that makes people go crazy is NOT PCP, then why are those substances related? It goes a long way in trashing the reputation of PCP if these "dips" don't even contain the drug.

Penguin reflects back into childhood and thinks of all the anti-drug propaganda. When he was very young one of the main tactics that the D.A.R.E. program used was telling children that, "Even one use can kill you or permanately change your life." Penguin absolutely hates that because it is a blatant lie that is simply attempting to maintain a distance from drug use. Now, with PCP, this same mentality is usually shown. In all of penguin's life, this mentality has been shot down and proven wrong; why is it that this drug should be any different?

Sorry for ranting, penguin feels very strongly on this subject.
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Old 16-03-2008, 19:11
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Re: "Sherm isn't PCP"

I too am confused to the structer make up of this " dip ". and have been for many years. I really dont know why dip is called PCP, all I know is that the dip is highly flamable and " angel dust is not"

Angel dust is a great high, like walking on clouds with a sort of tunnel vision, I mean really on clouds or big big pillows , kinda floating and in a good mood. perfect in small matchhead sized toots.

wetdaddy or pimpstick or dip, makes sniffing paint seem like gradeschool. It is not psycdelic or euphoric, it is like huffing gasoline but with satan on your shoulder. For this member it has no value. period.

I hope this helps.

p.s. one time with either the dip or dust really could be a one way trip. seriously
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PCP / ANGEL DUST


PCP is the common name for the chemical Phencyclidine. It's pharmacological nature is commonly referred to as Disassociative Anesthetic, however it can possess the properties of a CNS depressant, CNS stimulant, a hallucinogenic, and an analgesic. Street names include Peace Pill, angel dust, crystal, hog, horse tranquilizer, flakes, embalming fluid, and rocket fuel. It is sometimes mixed with marijuana and referred to as Love Boat or Killer Weed. It can also be mixed with crack, which is known as Space Basing.

PCP was developed after WWI as a surgical anesthetic. Later found to NOT be safe it was shelved until 1957 when Parke-Davis pharmaceuticals dusted it off, renamed it Sernyl, and began testing it again as an anesthetic. It was effective, but the side effects were severe hallucinations, jumbled speech, and delirium so P-D discontinued testing in 1965. Still looking for a use for the drug, Parke-Davis renamed it again, this time Sernylan, and marketed it as an animal tranquilizer.

Around that same time, mid-to-late 1960s, the drug showed up on the streets of San Francisco as "Peace Pill." It didn't take long for word to spread that this drug had triggered many bad experiences and the market died out. It also showed up in New York as "hog" but the story was the same -- it spread quickly, but people realized that it was dangerous and usage dried up. It also showed up frequently in the 1970s under different names --Angel Dust, Horse Tranq, Embalming Fluid, etc. -- sometimes being snorted, sometimes being mixed with tobacco, marijuana, or parsley and smoked.

It is a white, crystalline powder that is soluble in water or alcohol. It may be found as pills, capsules, powder or liquid. The powder is sometimes tinted to change the color. The pills, capsules, and liquid are administered orally. The powder is snorted, or sprinkled on marijuana, tobacco, or parsley and smoked. Sometimes a solution of the drug is injected.

Legal use of the drug has been discontinued and it is no longer legally manufactured in the US.

Effects

The effects of PCP can be very unpredictable. Central Nervous System effects can include euphoria, loss of inhibitions, anxiety, disorientation, restlessness, drowsiness, or disorganized thinking. There can also be distorted time, space, and body sensations, feelings of weightlessness, paranoia, and the feeling of being disassociated with the environment. The user can experience audial and visual hallucinations as with LSD. In the body, PCP raises the heart rate and blood pressure. It can also cause excess salivation, sweating, numbness, staggering, slurred speech, fever, and muscle rigidity.

In toxic doses, the user can become hostile and violent, acting in a bizarre or psychotic manner. They may attempt to assault other people, or to harm themselves through self-mutilation or suicide. The person may experience amnesia and become catatonic. In high doses, there may be coma, convusions, and death. Persons who've received toxic doses must often be restrained and receive tranquilizers to calm them down.

Many users report profound after-effects ranging from depression, disassociative states, confusion, paranoia, and feelings of insanity. By some reports, these symptoms can continue for years after the initial experience.

Special Characteristics: PCP is often sold as a substitute for other drugs, causing panic in unsuspecting users.

Fact: Even in low doses, PCP produces harmful psychological effects. One dose may produce physical effects that last for months.

Texas Commission on Alcohol and Drug Abuse's Page on FRY:
(Marijuana or Tobacco soaked in Embalming Fluid and
usually containing PCP)

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Re: "Sherm isn't PCP"

Sherm, embalming fluid, angel dust, are all or were originally just slang for pcp. Embalming fluid i.e the fluid they use when embalming bodies is not pcp, its formaldahyde, ethanol, methanol and probably some other random stuff. Its extremely toxic and smoking it is a stupid idea, the effects would not be anything even resembling that of smoking pcp. Embalming fluid was never a psychoactive drugs and was never commonly added to weed or ciggerettes untill fairly recently. The reason it ever has been seems to be that some idiots, at some time, heard pcp being refered to in slang as embalming fluid and then went and burgled a morgue or something thinking the actual embalming fluid was pcp. Now for some reason that seems to have spread with gobshites continuing to smoke formaldahyde based embalming fluid on its own or mixing it with actual pcp, To recap, PCP is a recognised psychoactive that is often smoked on ciggerettes or weed. Embalming fluid is a mixture of formaldyhyde and other things that is very toxic and probably will leave you in an altered state if smoked the same as smoking insulating tape, or inhaling the fumes from a house fire will leave you in an altered state. The problem is that actual PCP is often still refered to as embalming fluid aswell, so basically the same rules apply as with all street drugs, just because you are told it is one thing doesn't make it so.

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Old 04-05-2008, 17:17
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Re: "Sherm isn't PCP"

^^^ exactly.

also, formaldehyde is sometimes used as a cut for "liquid" pcp, otherwise the "liquid" pcp is usually just pcp dissolved in ether. the ether makes the solution flammable, and gives it the familiar and recognizable smell of markers or nail polish remover. the liquid is either used to dip a cigarette into, or dropped (using an eye-dropper) onto minced mint leaves or weed, which can be rolled or smoked. the mint leaves with "liquid" pcp dripped onto them will turn black, and is what is referred to by "wet" or many other names. dipped cigarettes are "dips" or other names. SWIM had many experiences with smoking wet (about 3 years of it actually) and he had also smoked dips about a few dozen times. the effects are comparable, although dips are WAY harsher if you arent a tobacco smoker. wet is relatively smooth to smoke and has a cooling sensation on your throat. difference in effects is pretty much negligible though, in SWIM's opinion once you factor out the effects of smoking cigarettes (lightheadedness) and mint leaves (none?) alone.

xifentoozlerix added 4 Minutes and 16 Seconds later...

cant seem to find a way to edit my last post, but i wanted to say that embalming fluid is actually NOT used to cut pcp that often (if at all), the potency can easily be reduced by using more solvent (ether) per "unit" of pcp.

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^^^ exactly.

also, formaldehyde is sometimes used as a cut for "liquid" pcp, otherwise the "liquid" pcp is usually just pcp dissolved in ether. the ether makes the solution flammable, and gives it the familiar and recognizable smell of markers or nail polish remover. the liquid is either used to dip a cigarette into, or dropped (using an eye-dropper) onto minced mint leaves or weed, which can be rolled or smoked. the mint leaves with "liquid" pcp dripped onto them will turn black, and is what is referred to by "wet" or many other names. dipped cigarettes are "dips" or other names. SWIM had many experiences with smoking wet (about 3 years of it actually) and he had also smoked dips about a few dozen times. the effects are comparable, although dips are WAY harsher if you arent a tobacco smoker. wet is relatively smooth to smoke and has a cooling sensation on your throat. difference in effects is pretty much negligible though, in SWIM's opinion once you factor out the effects of smoking cigarettes (lightheadedness) and mint leaves (none?) alone.

xifentoozlerix added 4 Minutes and 16 Seconds later...

cant seem to find a way to edit my last post, but i wanted to say that embalming fluid is actually NOT used to cut pcp that often (if at all), the potency can easily be reduced by using more solvent (ether) per "unit" of pcp.
as stated prior , angel dust PCP is not formaldehyde. or brake fluid, or jet fuel, or emalbing fluid (formaldehyde). pcp is a animal tranquiler. period.

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