The New World Order

[Dr_H]

Wow, I did not know about southamerica, what will they call their currency?


Xtcico, yeah I get what you were saying and I was being a bit picky, but now I am curious. In Costa Rican schools is it taught that there are 6 continents or are you going from memory? I had to look it up but I did get the answer on a U.S. website so I don't realy know. It is interesting how different areas teach their people. It would be interesting (kind of...) to read about World War II from Frances textbooks or Germany's or Polands etc. It is usually the winners that write history and pretty biased usually.


Intersting about the unipolar/bipolar theory, put that way it makes alot of sense. We will deffinately nead to consolidate resources if we hope to get off this planet before we end up destroying it.


Xctico, I am going to be in Costa Rica later this year for vacation, don't know details yet, but maybe you could pm me about things to go/see/do.

[xctico]

Cool.

actually I went to a US system school here. We where taught all clases
in english and in spanish. So we basically covered the US + the costa
rican curriculums. It was kind of wierd how in US geography we where
taught about south and north america being different continents and
then half an hour later in spanish geography we where taught they where
only 1. Kind of confusing you know...



I don't know what the south american currency will be called. I guess
is still a little early [the Euro zone is 30 years ahead in
integration, so it's probably gonna take a while].





"Xctico, I am going to be in Costa Rica later this year for vacation,
don't know details yet, but maybe you could pm me about things to
go/see/do."



There's a lot of things to do in CR, from extreme sports to nature
walks. From places where the party goes crazy all night to little rasta
towns. LEt me know what your looking for in a vacation I might be able
to help you.

[msumegi]

Glad to see that I'm not the only one on this fourm who knows about this type of information. Thank you:


Dr_H
xctico
diggitydawg
29skidoo
sunyata



for your help in spreading this type of supressed information. If anyone has any ideas about how it may be possibe to get us out from under the thumb of the Illuminati I would love to hear it.

[Dr_H]

I think that the powers that be are pretty entrenched and don't plan on letting go till everything falls to crap. The US now has a military budget of $481 billion which is like the entire gross capita of the 12th largest country in the world. I believe that Bush is going to bankrupt the United States and then step down. We (the US) keep increasing military spending and slashing education. I am going to school and the tuition has gone up 3 years in a row. Soon I will not be able to afford to finish my degree.I think that if it keeps going this way there will be no smart people left in this country to figure out what THEY are doing.

Why WTC crash?


Why no one of the planes was shut down?





look Fharenheit 9/11, by moore.

[Alfa]

America is supplying a great part of the rest of the world with voting machines. You'll find more and more pro bush regimes. Several parts of the world are turning in to unions of states which are probably going to have one president. I wonder if these unions are going to elect a mondial president one day.


In the Netherlands the government is now talking about chipping the elderly demented and the institutionalised. It is just talk, nothing definitive yet, but i can see where this may be going.

[msumegi]

Originally Posted by proxer

Why WTC crash?


Why no one of the planes was shut down?





look Fharenheit 9/11, by moore.

There is a more truthful documentary out there called:


9/11: The Road To Tyranny by Alex Jones


It is available to members on www.prisonplanet.tvor can be downloaded from any good file-sharing site

[BEEKSc1]

Originally Posted by msumegi

There is a more truthful documentary out there called:


9/11: The Road To Tyranny by Alex Jones


It is available to members on www.prisonplanet.tvor can be downloaded from any good file-sharing site

Yes, it is more truthful than that Michelle Moore's whitewashing of 9/11; but 9'11: Rise of the Police State. it is still not 100% truthful. Lots of those references cannot be validated; on the other hand, there is lots of useful information. you can get all Alex Jones on Google Video for free.

NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - The Bush administration launched a war on terror because of the alleged acts of Osama bin Laden. Ironically, one of the companies the administration has picked to rebuild Iraq after the latest phase of that war has ties to bin Laden's family, according to a published report.
Bechtel Corp., a private construction firm based in San Francisco, recently was awarded a State Department contract, potentially worth more than $600 million, to help rebuild Iraq's infrastructure after the recent U.S.-led war there.
The Bush administration pushed for that war, in part, because it said the regime of Saddam Hussein, former leader of Iraq, had ties to the al Qaeda terror network, headed by bin Laden, the group allegedly responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks in the United States.
According to an article in the May 5 issue of New Yorker magazine, several bin Laden family members -- part of a large, Saudi Arabian family that made a fortune in the construction business -- invested about $10 million in a private equity fund operated by former subsidiary of Bechtel before Sept. 11.
Fremont Group, a San Francisco-based private investment firm, once was a unit of Bechtel, and its board still includes Bechtel CEO Riley P. Bechtel and former U.S. Secretary of State and former Bechtel President George P. Shultz, along with several current Bechtel directors.
Bechtel could not be reached for comment.
Fremont spokeswoman Pat Harden confirmed bin Laden's family had invested $10 million in a Fremont fund, but she said the family had no ownership stake in Fremont and its investment was made "well before the events of Sept. 11."
"Our concern is that it be clear they're investors, like many, in one of our many private equity funds," Harden said, noting that the Patriot Act of 2001 requires such investors to be screened for connections to terrorism. "This is all totally legal and above-board."
Harden didn't know exactly when bin Laden's family invested in the equity fund. Fremont general counsel Rick Kopf told the New Yorker bin Laden's family had invested nothing in Fremont since Sept. 11.
None of bin Laden's family members has been charged with any crimes, and the family denounced Osama bin Laden in the mid-1990s. Some family members also have publicly denounced the Sept. 11 attacks.
Saying they feared for their safety, about two dozen family members living in the United States left the country as soon as airports re-opened after Sept. 11.

http://money.cnn.com/2003/05/05/news...s/war_bechtel/

MANILA, Philippines (CNN) -- The FBI was warned six years ago of a terrorist plot to hijack commercial planes and slam them into the Pentagon, the CIA headquarters and other buildings, Philippine investigators told CNN.
Philippine authorities learned of the plot after a small fire in a Manila apartment, which turned out to be the hideout of Ramzi Yousef, who was later convicted for his role in the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center. Yousef escaped at the time, but agents caught his right-hand man, Abdul Hakim Murad, who told them a chilling tale.
"Murad narrated to us about a plan by the Ramzi cell in the continental U.S. to hijack a commercial plane and ram it into the CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia, and also the Pentagon," said Rodolfo Mendoza, a Philippine intelligence investigator.
Philippine investigators also found evidence targeting commercial towers in San Francisco, Chicago and New York City.
They said they passed that information on to the FBI in 1995, but it's not clear what was done with it.
One week ago, two hijacked commercial jets slammed into the World Trade Center, collapsing the towers. Another jet hit the Pentagon and a fourth crashed in rural Pennsylvania. Authorities believe that fourth jet may have been headed for the Capitol or the White House. Thousands were killed in the attacks.
On Monday, FBI Director Robert Mueller insisted the agency had "no warning signs" of last week's attacks.
Yousef and Murad both have ties to Osama bin Laden, the man President Bush has labeled the "prime suspect" in Tuesday's attacks.
Authorities also found on a computer in the Manila apartment details of a separate plot to bomb 11 U.S. airliners on overseas flights.
Yousef once listed his occupation as "international terrorist" on an ID card, and he has long been considered a disciple of bin Laden.
Murad was a pilot who admitted he had been trained in Afghanistan as well as the United States. Bin Laden, a Saudi native, lives in Afghanistan.
"(Murad) was principally recruited by Yousef's group and bin Laden's group to undertake a suicide mission," said Avelino Razon, superintendent for the Philippine National Police.
Yousef was eventually caught in Pakistan and brought to New York for trial. He was sentenced to life in prison. Murad is also serving a life sentence.

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/1...nes/index.html

White House 'Bonesman' leads nation into the dark
By Alexandra Robbins
"My senior year (at Yale University) I joined Skull and Bones, a secret society," President Bush wrote in his autobiography, "so secret, I can't say anything more."

He doesn't have to. He's practically turning the government into a secret society - an old-boy, throwback establishment that even holds its secret spy-court proceedings in an elaborately locked, windowless room that sounds similar to the Bones' elaborately locked, practically windowless "tomb," or campus clubhouse.

Bush, a loyal and particularly active member of Skull and Bones, a mysterious, historically misogynist Yale-based secret society, seems to have done almost all he can to promote a level of secrecy in government not seen since the Nixon administration:

* Last month, Bush-appointed Assistant Attorney General Robert McCallum, a member of Bush's 1968 Skull and Bones class, filed pleadings in U.S. District Court seeking to extend executive privilege to any government official in pardon cases; the move makes information on presidential pardons more secret than it has ever been.
* After 9/11, without initially telling Congress, Bush assembled a shadow government assigned to secret bunkers somewhere on the East Coast. He also tried to cut off some members of Congress from classified information about the anti-terrorist campaign.
* The USA Patriot Act Bush eagerly signed lets the FBI - with permission from a secret Washington "spy court" - view some customer records; store owners cannot reveal the review
* In October 2001, Attorney General John Ashcroft released a memo encouraging federal agencies to withhold as much information as possible from the public.
* A month later, just before documents from the Reagan-Bush administration were to be released, Bush signed an executive order severely hindering public access to former presidents' records.
* Bush also signed legislation that jails or fines journalists who publish sensitive leaks, essentially reviving the Official Secrecy Act that President Clinton vetoed.

Bush has a "fetish for secrecy," Vanderbilt University professor emeritus Hugh Davis Graham, now deceased, told the National Journal earlier this year.

Granted, pressing issues of national security merit a level of secrecy. But security and secrecy are not always necessary companions, and some of these examples suggest secrecy for secrecy's sake, such as the pardons and the Reagan documents. Also, a government that operates in secret prevents its constituents from holding it accountable and so may be more prone to arbitrariness and ill-considered conduct. This administration may even be doing itself a disservice with its excess secrecy, which can cause people to conjure up much more malicious and elitist scenarios than may actually exist.

That is what has happened with Skull and Bones, which operates a powerful alumni network but, despite the lore, does not run a secret world government, collaborate with Nazis or require initiates to lie naked in a coffin.

Bonesmen have long helped Bush; he received a fair chunk of his early business financing from them and turned to them for help when he needed a job, investors and campaign assistance. Even his baseball-team purchase involved at least one Bonesman. As president, Bush has appointed fellow Bonesmen to high-level positions, such as Edward McNally, the general counsel of the Office on Homeland Security and senior associate counsel on national security. Yet, although one of his first social gatherings at the White House was a Skull and Bones reunion, Bush feigned ignorance when asked recently about Bones: "The thing is so secret that I'm not even sure it still exists," he replied.

Is it a coincidence that the federal government suddenly prioritizes secrecy when a Skull and Bones president is in power? Maybe. But there's no question that the Bush administration increasingly resembles the Bones' dark, locked tomb.

Alexandra Robbins is the author of Secrets of the Tomb: Skull and Bones, the Ivy League, and the Hidden Paths of Power.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion...25-opcom_x.htm

The Bilderberg group, an elite coterie of Western thinkers and power-brokers, has been accused of fixing the fate of the world behind closed doors. As the organisation marks its 50th anniversary, rumours are more rife than ever.
Given its reputation as perhaps the most powerful organisation in the world, the Bilderberg group doesn't go a bundle on its switchboard operations.
Telephone inquiries are met with an impersonal female voice - the Dutch equivalent of the BT Callminder woman - reciting back the number and inviting callers to "leave a message after the tone".
Anyone who accidentally dialled the number would probably think they had stumbled on just another residential answer machine.
But behind this ultra-modest façade lies one of the most controversial and hotly-debated alliances of our times.
On Thursday the Bilderberg group marks its 50th anniversary with the start of its yearly meeting.
For four days some of the West's chief political movers, business leaders, bankers, industrialists and strategic thinkers will hunker down in a five-star hotel in northern Italy to talk about global issues.
What sets Bilderberg apart from other high-powered get-togethers, such as the annual World Economic Forum (WEF), is its mystique.
Not a word of what is said at Bilderberg meetings can be breathed outside. No reporters are invited in and while confidential minutes of meetings are taken, names are not noted.
The shadowy aura extends further - the anonymous answerphone message, for example; the fact that conference venues are kept secret. The group, which includes luminaries such as Henry Kissinger and former UK chancellor Kenneth Clarke, does not even have a website.
In the void created by such aloofness, an extraordinary conspiracy theory has grown up around the group that alleges the fate of the world is largely decided by Bilderberg.
In Yugoslavia, leading Serbs have blamed Bilderberg for triggering the war which led to the downfall of Slobodan Milosevic. The Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh, the London nail-bomber David Copeland and Osama Bin Laden are all said to have bought into the theory that Bilderberg pulls the strings with which national governments dance.
And while hardline right-wingers and libertarians accuse Bilderberg of being a liberal Zionist plot, leftists such as activist Tony Gosling are equally critical.
A former journalist, Mr Gosling runs a campaign against the group from his home in Bristol, UK.
"My main problem is the secrecy. When so many people with so much power get together in one place I think we are owed an explanation of what is going on.
Mr Gosling seizes on a quote from Will Hutton, the British economist and a former Bilderberg delegate, who likened it to the annual WEF gathering where "the consensus established is the backdrop against which policy is made worldwide".
"One of the first places I heard about the determination of US forces to attack Iraq was from leaks that came out of the 2002 Bilderberg meeting," says Mr Gosling.
But "privacy, rather than secrecy", is key to such a meeting says Financial Times journalist Martin Wolf, who has been invited several times in a non-reporting role.
"The idea that such meetings cannot be held in private is fundamentally totalitarian," he says. "It's not an executive body; no decisions are taken there."
As an up-and-coming statesmen in the 1950s, Denis Healey, who went on to become a Labour chancellor, was one of the four founding members of Bilderberg (which was named after the hotel in Holland where the first meeting was held in 1954).
His response to claims that Bilderberg exerts a shadowy hand on the global tiller is met with characteristic bluntness. "Crap!"
"There's absolutely nothing in it. We never sought to reach a consensus on the big issues at Bilderberg. It's simply a place for discussion," says Lord Healey.
Formed in the spirit of post-war trans-Atlantic co-operation, the idea behind Bilderberg was that future wars could be prevented by bringing power-brokers together in an informal setting away from prying eyes.
"Bilderberg is the most useful international group I ever attended. The confidentiality enabled people to speak honestly without fear of repercussions.
"In my experience the most useful meetings are those when one is free to speak openly and honestly. It's not unusual at all. Cabinet meetings in all countries are held behind closed doors and the minutes are not published."
That activists have seized on Bilderberg is no surprise to Alasdair Spark, an expert in conspiracy theories.
"The idea that a shadowy clique is running the world is nothing new. For hundreds of years people have believed the world is governed by a cabal of Jews.
"Shouldn't we expect that the rich and powerful organise things in their own interests. It's called capitalism."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3773019.stm

There are many others links from the site Alex Jones runs http://www.infowars.com

http://911truth.org

http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/
Jim Fetzer is where the accurate information can be located. Type him in Google video too; good stuff.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...95917705734983
Darks Secrets of Bohemian Grove is where Jones infiltrates the acres and acres of land where the rituals and ceremonies take place. gets video footage of their burning the effigy ritual.

Jones also has an upbeat approach.

[Dr_H]

The chipping thing is scarry. They were chipping Mexican prisoners in 2003. Like xctico said above, they are going to make us demand it.


If you want to read something scarry try this:http://www.raven1.net/synthtel.htm


Talks about using radio and micro waves to control people and basicly says that the implants are no longer needed. Pretty technical though.

[msumegi]

Alfa is dead right when he talks about the voting machines. For those of you not convinced here is a link to an archive of voting machine articles.


http://www.prisonplanet.com/archive_vote_fraud.html


After reading them I'm sure you'll come to the same conclusion that I have, which is that the USA democracy is rigged and this type of secret dictatorship is spreading around the world.


Alfa and Dr H have also mentioned implanted microchips, so for everyone who needs a "mainstream" news article to beleive anything I have a link to one such article here:


http://www.prisonplanet.com/barcoding_humans.html


Please note that because it is a "mainstream" newspaper that printed this story (Boston Globe) it tries to appear objective butis full ofunderlying propaganda supporting the technology.

[xctico]

Yep, at least we're still voting manually. So we might have a last
change to get an independent pro-freedom goverment, next year...
legalize it...

[jose1]

It all has a grain of truth to it. It is true that the EU will be
more powerfull in the 21st century. This is part of their
plan. These people who have dastardly plans for us are only the
tip of the melting iceberg. They can control in subversive ways
(slide of the hand). Propaganda is one, however I think as people
we are pretty tired of the old dog and pony show they present.
These people are human and when they found out how to rule over people
they got greedy. Once a person gets greedy they get stupid.
They don't take the important steps to coerce anymore. their methods
get contrived and people start to catch on.



The only fact that any of us humans should be concerned with is
the fact that these idiots are bending us against the will of the
universe ie: moving us away from our spirit connections with the
universe. Check it out on Prison Planet.com. and Hopi
prophecy. The people of influence get together each year to
perform rituals in the belief that they can move the human soul to a
lower vibration that in which a spirit could only function in a
mechanical mode. They print programs for the ceremony with the
working title "The Cremation of Care". And since everything is
one and tied together in the universe, just think of the effects of all
this on things not seen.



If you read Hopi Indian prophecy it states the same. They speak
of the possible future of the human race displaced from it's spirit
connection. So, as you can see it is many people saying the same
things about he future.



One forgets however that it is the universe that wields it's power over
us and not some freak politian. Any Native American will tell you that
you can't mess with the balance of things for to long without causing
problems.



You know the funniest thing out of all this is that there is becoming
more and more validity to all those old spiritual cliches like,"don't
be greedy, don't be glutenous and the inumerable ones our parents tried
to teach us when we were kids are probably true and have consequense,
just not any that could be seen right away. It probably took
millineums to get us to this point. This will be our biggest kick
in the head



If these freaks want the earth they can have it. I will
reincarnate somewhere else. If they want to formulate a boring
exsistence it will be impossible. Somewhere along the road
someone will wake up and wonder how surreal that kind of life would
be.



Edited by: jose1

[msumegi]

jose1:


I think that nothing happens in a vacuum, not the universe, not the earth, not even religious conviction. So while you may believe that the universe is in ultimate controle, it does existwith the contextof things inside of it. These things do include people who wish to, andhave taken steps to, control the planet you live on. With out such context, labels such as "universe" become meaningless.

[jose1]

To an extent it might seem meaningless and even a bit childish to think
that there is something in ultimate control of us. Howver,
there are rules to the universe that come from one source.



These people who have chose to control us are doing so by minipulating
certain forces that can only be minipulated for so long. This is
where the arogance turns to stupidity.



Well, we do create that which is around us,and in turn making us
a part of the universe and the way it is formed, the human being in
it's form only has a certain amount of God like creativity. He
can not create from abosolute nothing. Therefore, he cannot rule
in absolute power. He has not the tools to do so.



The universe is in every little bit of the human and the world in which
he perceives weather we find this absurd or not. The science world has
proven this. To think that it might be our savior might be asking
to much, but to think that we humans can just distort the univesre
however we please would be silly and pretty tipical of people in
power. Also, just because we can never see the effects of
causality in front of our faces does not prove that this law does not
exsist. Since the universe was created in the context
for creation purpose that were bent in keeping a strict balance between
good and bad why would it take kindly to some piss ant human being
trying to push it into one direction, one in which would be more
negative.



If you read enough, you find out these powerful people have knowledge
about the universe and they hide it from the regular joeschmo.
Take for instance Hitler, he was a great student of the universal
rules. He however,took them and distorted them to his needs.
Which is case 1 in point that you can not fool with the rules.
They now just as the Native American have knowledge about the
unknown. They however choose to ride it as far as they can go to
the edge. It's like a night of doing coke, You want to ride
that feeling for as long as you can and in some cases you might ride it
till your nose bleeds. But, the point is you can only ride
something in one direction for so long before the rules of the body and
spirit quickly shove you back into were it thinks you should be.



These people are hinging there success on a little luck as well,
because they know they can only do so much to change the universe to
fit there needs. But, they probably think "what the fuck we've
gone this far, why not go faurther".



The Native Americans will tell you everyting comes from a source.
This idea has also made it's way to other cultures who spent milliniums
studying the universe. So, if everyting comes from one source
then we do live in a vacumm (one way in, one way out). And we all
are victums or surviviors of it.

[msumegi]

I respect your belief there are rules to the universe that come from one source. I do not, however, believe in the exact same things that you do, so you can see how therewould be a fundimental point of disagreement here. I suggest that you phrase your terms as the beliefs that they are, rather thanfactsthat they may or may not be.Of course this is only a suggestion, and I would respect your decission to ignore it.

[msumegi]

I found a great new site. It is the work of a truly independant reoprter. Lots of insider info on topics too HOT for mainstream news to cover.


http://www.skolnicksreport.com/

[P!MPJU!C3]

The jews did it. They want to take over the world. They use the blood of christian children to make matzas. Its true! Hitler said so. Anyway, im tired of discussing how fucked up America is. America is going straight to hell and her destruction is her own making. Honesty was forgotten.

America is not the countrey of the free. Posters on this forum from America r paranoid 4 thats the feds or dea r watching. A free man does not need to worry about that.
America isnt the countrey of the brave. Instead of standing up 4 what we believed in America has become accessor to mass killings and violation of human rights.
We support and still support backward arabs and we r accessor to the political dramas in south america. We did this just because it made things easier. Now how brave is that. America should have prevented. We didnt prevent, we turned a blind eye.
America is a bankrupt nation. America doesnt really exist anymore. Ones people now this America will collapse.
Americas people have identity crisis comparible to what is happening in Japan. The youth is completely messed up. This is due to society.
Americas people are devided. The black and white continuum is in fact still going on in contrast to popular beliefe. Wounds have not yey been heald but the paleface r altrady growing impatient:"When will they get their act together?"
The media arent trustworthy anymore. Crimerates continue to drop well media coverage of violence keeps growing. The media also only gives sunyside coverage of the war in Irak and the Bush administration. The media isnt critical anymore when that is their function.
America has lost many old allies. The founders of Americe seem to have lost interest and r turning their back.

I could think of 1000 more reasons why america is fycking up. But 5 now its bed time.

P!MPJU!C3

[white_lighter]

masons

[uqlfy]

Ok lets assume that the large majority of these theorys, which
are supported by fact, are true. Why are the people in the know doing
naught but laying back and patting each other on the back for being so
smart. Evil only needs good men to do nothin to win.

The legislation after 9-11 is horribly intrusive. Librarians in
my neighborhood posted warnings that now the feds can without a warrent
gain access to anything you check out. If you cant burn a book just
arrest the people who read it.

Of course these chips are going to used on people The Royal
family has them already. People use them on pets. Those reward cards
were a perfect primer. I buy a toy for my kid at mall and they ask me
for my phone# for THE MAILING LIST.

But I digress most people are so dumbed down in america
that they dont even understand their rights. The more education is cut
the better for the goverment.

See the problem for these "men behind the curtain" is that
eventually they will be in "total control" and meglomaniacs that these
people must be they will turn on each other. hopefully.

Also they are people they do make mistakes, else we
wouldnt be aware of them, so unless there is nefarius dark power
guiding them they are fallible and will ultimately fail as any other
super power has failed by becoming to big to fend off the many
"mosquitos" that will feed off it.

sorry bout the rant hope someone gets what im trying to say

[uqlfy]

Oh one other thing why do people in the know do squat? Nowadays
any talk like that is unpatriotic and could even get thrown in to a
prison camp in cuba held for years without habeaus corpus for charges
of sedetion and being an "enemy combatant". Heil BUsh Heil de
Furor

[msumegi]

Sometimes it's hard to think of what can be done. Sometimes when people finally figure out something that could help, they can't risk telling others about it. Sometimes it's all for nothing. Sometimes it's another footstep in the the long journey out of this mess.

[msumegi]

Theory:


Aids and Ebola viruswere created by man to be used against man.


Website:


http://boydgraves.com/


Book:
EMERGING VIRUSES: AIDS & EBOLA
Nature, Accident or Intentional?
By: Leonard G. Horowitz

[uqlfy]

Theory: Man has no natural predators and has grossly
overpopulated planet. In nature overpopulation tends to promote
disease. Therefore the spread of aids+ebola is merely symptomatic of
overpopulation.

I heard aids came from african who ate monkeys infected with hiv virus.

did you ever anything similar?



What do think about SARS ? I think SARS could have been manmade. More
easily spread, and predominatly kills those who have comprimised or
weak immune systems. Such as AIDS patients, elderly and young.

[msumegi]

Uglfy:


I have also heard about your theory, but when I try to research it's origins it turns out looking more and more likefiction and less like fact. Have you ever tried researching the origins of aids? I have, and it led me to some awful conclusions. Please check out the webpage I sited and click the aids timeline link.

[mmmike28]

If one were asked to gather up as much resources of the AIDS virus as possible, do worldwide un-biasedresearch,and then asked "How do you thinkAIDS was started? That person would most likely answer "It was made by someone." Anyone disagree?