Normal after effects of e?

[Songs4Jane]

A friend of mine tried e for the first time this weekend, along with some other mutual friends who were also first timers. She took her first pill (an orange buddha... she says she was pleased to have buddha come along for the ride) around 10:30, smoked a few bowls and then headed downtown... the town we live in has a notoriously good club scene. It took almost an hour for the pills to kick in, and although some of her friends went strange for a while (didn't want to talk or be touched.. just wanted to dance alone), her experience was smooth sailing. She dropped once more that night and danced until 6 am in an awesome alt/techno club that was clearly designed for people on drugs... the night was a blur of wonderful lights, wonderful music and wonderful people She was uncharacteristically loving and touchy, and she made lots of new friends throughout the night. She smoked weed throughout the next day and could still feel the effects; she couldn't stop moving to music, whether it was playing out loud or was just inside her head. She napped for a few hours, but nothing significant.

For the two nights since, she says she has had a lot of trouble sleeping. She'd feel really tired, but would toss and turn for hours, manage to finally fall asleep and then wake up half as hour later, only to go through the same thing all over again. Also, she still is extremely thirsty all the time, and finally she can not stop thinking about e... she dreams about it when she does fall asleep and can't stop thinking about the next time she'll be able to go out (it won't be for a month; when she's done finals, because she is both broke and determined not to build up tolerance)... is this a normal reaction, or should she proceed with caution. None of our other friends who were on it seem to be experiencing quite the same effect; particuarily the difficulty sleeping.

Any/all input would be greatly appreciated by both me and my friend.

[Deiwos]

SWIM did used to have trouble sleeping after a night of E, but he found that as time went on, he became more and more able to sleep the night after taking E.

SWIM also finds that if he hasn't taken E for a few weeks, then does it, the next night isn't good for sleep, just like SWIY described, and will often think about E, or being high, for the following week.

SWIM thinks it's fairly characteristic of SWIYs first roll, but keep us informed if SWIY is still having problems in the next day or two.

[RaverHippie]

SWIM considers his first roll as a life-altering experience. He was an exuberant little kid for a week afterwards, notably leaving a message on his friend's phone saying "I didn't care about my homework and went to the park! Come play tag and make crafts with me!!" Thoughts were completely consumed by the experienced and relived the moments all the time. There is no memory of sleep issues but SWIM never slept very well so that is never attributed to a foreign substance to the body.

[experimenter]

SWIM will have this problem from time to time, it usually only happens on the night/day after E use. SWIM finds there is a time when sleep is almost impossible right after coming down. Same reaction, sleep is extremely restless, can't stop thinking about the next roll, SWIM will be very tired but only sleep for short spurts of time. It makes his E hangover much worse, mondays are hell for SWIM during the summer months.

Unfortunately the only real remedy swim has found is to have a few drinks before trying to sleep. This will conk him right out and usually let him sleep. Hopefully for SWIY this will only happen the one time, once swiy is used to the experience.

For SWIM it's always been worth it, he really loves to roll.

[kakakaka]

Swim is terrible for trying to get to sleep on E. Normaly his mates all fall asleep around 5 in the morning where as swim cant get to sleep till around 12pm the next day.

After a good sleep tho swim is back into his normal sleeping pattern

[Songs4Jane]

You were all correct; the weird sleep thing went away a couple days ago... all is well and good once again.

Now if only my friend could make these next five weeks go by faster so that she can do it all over again...

[RaverHippie]

good choice for the spacing, SWIM loses respect and faith in people that use it every weekend then complain about the effects.

[JCJC]

SWIM likes to take a medicinal (not recreational!!!) dose of diphenhydramine as hes coming down and it makes everything go a lot smoother and lets him have a light but very pleasant sleep at around 6-8 am the next morning. SWIM doesnt know if MDMA + diphenhydramine is a safe combo, but hasnt experienced any bad effects afterwards.

[kakakaka]

Large doesages of diphenhydramine wouldnt be very safe as it would make your heart go crazy mixed with mdma but im sure at a recommeded does it wouldnt do any harm.

[pinkandfluffy]

I think MDMA does mess up swims sleep patterns, definately. For the next couple of nights it can be difficult to get to sleep early, which can be good, or it can suck... depending on what you're doing the next day

[Greenport]

:O yay the buddhas! Did swiY rub buddha's belly for good luck beforehand?!
-- flat bottom or round? flats said to be pure, rounds cut from what swiM heard...

In response to swiY's question, swiY's friend was having trouble sleeping, correct? MDMA causes a mass release of serotonin into the user's bloodstream. The aftereffect is that there is going to be a lack of serotonin after it wears off. People react differently to low amounts of serotonin.

Serotonin is also used in our sleep process. Without an adequate amount of serotonin, sleep can become difficult.

This is a symptom of what is known to many as "Suicide Tuesday". Weekend ravers would use the entheogen and be great through the weekend, but by Tuesday their serotonin wells are sucked dry (to an extent) which can cause a feeling of stress, depression, loneliness (even with people), lack of comment on conversation, feeling the world as 'darker', feeling irritable, or as if there is too much wrong with the world. Kind of all the opposite of the initial effects

SwiM believes that the serotonin sometimes also will spike, going on a slight high, in the days following a roll. This can be noticed by short spurts of energy, compassion and willingness to speak. This may also cause swiY's friend's ability to sleep for short periods of time only to be awaken again.

There are ways to help regulate the serotonin again, or at least make swiY's self feel better until it is. One is meditation, certainly. Find songs that swiY likes so much that it makes swiY feel good just listening to it There's others too of course lol. Just know that taking more to combat the comedown means a worse one, so swiM doesn't suggest that.

The best thing for it is Vitamin C, and Orange juice is by far the perfect source for it. People can drink Orange juice on it and after, and it will speed the process of the regeneration of serotonin and increase the functionality of the immune system. Any excess (up to a point lol) will just leave the body

Caffeine is good in the days after for focus. However, swiY would need a regular supply throughout the day.

[Powder_Reality]

yay the buddhas!...flat bottom or round? flats said to be pure, rounds cut from what swiM heard...

In response to swiY's question, swiY's friend was having trouble sleeping, correct? MDMA causes a mass release of serotonin into the user's bloodstream

Please note that the design on the pill, shape of the pill, or colour of the pill does not identify what's in the pill. Pills that look the exact same and are available in the same area could contain completely different substances.

Please also note that MDMA does not cause serotonin to be released into the bloodstream, it causes serotonin to be released into synapses.

SWIY may consider supplementing with 5-HTP for a fews days afterwards. It's believed that 5-HTP may help replenish serotonin levels, and as an added bonus it is often used as a sleep-aid.