Health - Super Insomnia.

[200Ponies]

I have been suffering from insomnia for quite some time now and would quite like to find a cure that isnt opium.

The normal stuff like temazepam, ambien, quetapine, and trazadone, dosnt work. If i take a lethal overdose of ambien or temazepam I might be able to get a couple of hours sleep, but then I will awake and not sleep for several days no matter how much more I consume. I have resorted to smoking opium to cure my sleep problems, but really I would like something practical.

I need to not just be put to sleep, but I need to be kept asleep for many hours. What drugs could help me?

[MrMouse]

There really is no wonder drug for Acute/Chronic Insomnia ... you may search for a chemical panacea but rest assured you'll not find it. Obviously best treated by a Professional. The cause could be an underlying physical or mental issue that drugs will just mask for a short time until tolerance renders them useless.

But you know this already ... right

[200Ponies]

Yea I am seeing a psyciatrist, the problem is he works so slow that my life will be well destroyed before he comes up with a solution.

I suffer from depression too, but that is being treated.

[psyche]

Maybe psychedelics would be a last resort if the reason is psychological. Can you elaboate on the problem, if it's something psychological maybe the aid of psychedelics might help to find a solution. Aside from that GHB is very effective sleeping aid, but as has been pointed out, you can't solve the problem by just putting yourself to sleep chemically. But GHB is pretty effective as a short-term solution, and it also gives you restful sleep unlike many of other sleeping aids.

[200Ponies]

Well I was thinking of trying DMT, but I am unsure about what type it is that I want, could you help?

Do you think GHB would be better than medical sleeping pills?

[Matt The Funk]

Originally Posted by 200Ponies

Well I was thinking of trying DMT, but I am unsure about what type it is that I want, could you help?

Do you think GHB would be better than medical sleeping pills?

SWIM doesn't think GHB would be any better at all. How high of a dose is "lethal" to SWIY? SWIM thinks it would be wise to try to find the root of a problem first. SWIY, if possible, SWIM would try Seroquel (Quetiapine Fumarate) in a low dose like 25mg for most effective insomnia help. Also has SWIM been trying these different sleeping-aids off of opium? SWIM is thinking perhaps there is a dependency issue. Or side-effect from medication.

[200Ponies]

Well its not a lethal dose, its 150-240mg of temazepam and I cant remember the ambian dosage.

[psyche]

GHB adds the portion of the deep stage of the sleep, which should make the sleep more refreshing. The common problem with sleeping aids is that they just dull you out, whereas the sleep should be active process in order to be refreshing. But that's all I know about that, so maybe someone more versed with the subject of sleep could enlighten us.

DMT is very intense, so it might not be the best thing for solving the issues. On the other hand, it's very hard to put your finger on the differences between the different psychedelics in regards to solving a specific matter, because they have very much in common and people are so different from each other. I can't say that it's a bad choice, just that if I had to give an opinion. On the other hand you have to consume also a MAOI with DMT, which makes it much more easier to improve your life and solve problems, even by itself. SWIMs choice would be magic mushrooms. From SWIMs personal experience and what he has read from others they aren't as intense, but still have the deep and clear quality.

[staples]

Originally Posted by psyche

GHB adds the portion of the deep stage of the sleep, which should make the sleep more refreshing. The common problem with sleeping aids is that they just dull you out, whereas the sleep should be active process in order to be refreshing. But that's all I know about that, so maybe someone more versed with the subject of sleep could enlighten us.

All stages of sleep are important. I believe benzos increase the amount of deep sleep, and effectively decrease REM sleep. Same with nonbenzos like zolpidem (ambien), but less so.

My doctor seemed to indicate once that deep sleep was the more important part of sleeping, but given the choice, you probably want REM sleep, as well:

Originally Posted by Psychology, by Peter Gray

In one experiment, college students practiced the skill of locating, as quickly as possible, specific images hidden in visually textured backgrounds (Karni & others, 1994). After this training session, the students slept in the laboratory for about 8 hours. Some were deprived of REM sleep by being awakened whenever they entered that sleep stage; others were deprived of a comparable amount of non-REM sleep by being awakened regularly during non-REM sleep; and still others were allowed to sleep undisturbed through the night. The results were quite dramatic. Those who were deprived of non-REM sleep or were not sleep-deprived at all performed the perceptual task better right after the sleep period than they had just before the sleep period, but those deprived of REM sleep showed no such improvement. This effect occurred only for the newly learned task; lack of REM sleep had no effect on performance of a similar task that had been learned several days earlier.

[200Ponies]

Originally Posted by psyche

DMT is very intense, so it might not be the best thing for solving the issues. On the other hand, it's very hard to put your finger on the differences between the different psychedelics in regards to solving a specific matter, because they have very much in common and people are so different from each other. I can't say that it's a bad choice, just that if I had to give an opinion. On the other hand you have to consume also a MAOI with DMT, which makes it much more easier to improve your life and solve problems, even by itself. SWIMs choice would be magic mushrooms. From SWIMs personal experience and what he has read from others they aren't as intense, but still have the deep and clear quality.

Mushrooms are just boring and I would rather give DMT a try, also would an MAOI not be very harmful when mixed with the other meds I am currently on?
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Ty staples that info was really helpful.

[psyche]

Really? Boring? SWIM never had so fantastic time on DMT than mushrooms, though very nice visuals and intense physical feelings, world warping around, but mushrooms have been more inspiring and teaching. Well, just goes to show how subjective these things really are.

MAOI's are very picky about with what they want to be put on your body. Even wrong foods may cause adverse effects, so it doesn't mix well with some drugs. Especially be wary with mixing with SSRI antidepressants, and generally downers and stimulants. Google the interactions or check the erowid entry on MAOI's.

[soma]

how about carisoprodol? produces a good sleep for SWIM.

[200Ponies]

Originally Posted by psyche

Really? Boring? I've never had so fantastic time on DMT than mushrooms, though very nice visuals and intense physical feelings, world warping around, but mushrooms have been more inspiring and teaching. Well, just goes to show how subjective these things really are.

MAOI's are very picky about with what they want to be put on your body. Even wrong foods may cause adverse effects, so it doesn't mix well with some drugs. Especially be wary with mixing with SSRI antidepressants, and generally downers and stimulants. Google the interactions or check the erowid entry on MAOI's.

Me and some friends ate 2lbs of shrooms once and tripped for a few days, all I can think to do on shrooms is eat more shrooms.

However acid is the best time of my life.

Can I not just smoke or IV DMT and then I dont have to risk taking an MAOI?

[200Ponies]

I couldn't find the button to edit my post

Isnt Carisoprodol a muscle relaxant, do you think it would be prescribed for insomnia?

[truth]

Marijuana. Is the best and Safest Sleep Aid. Escpecially if SWIY smokes indica. that is SWIYs cure.

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[200Ponies]

Weed makes it much harder for me to sleep, and when I do manage to get some sleep on it it is very light sleep. Not only that but I find it really demotivating and I often feel better if i simply stay awake.

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[psyche]

SWIY can smoke DMT if he has extracted it from the plant matter and have it in it's freebase form. There are guides to do that and the equipment isn't impossible to aquire, but smoking or IVing it produces extremely intense and short experience, during which SWIY will not be able to even remember who he is, let alone try to figure out what is causing the insomnia. It'll be one hell of a ride though.

And please, despite my bad example, do not self-incriminate, it is forbidden. Learn to use SWIM(someone who isn't me) or similar.

[soma]

Carisoprodol IS a muscle relaxant, however, it metabolizes into mebprobamate, a barbituate-like drug. Basically, Carisoprodol is more like old-school barbs like Butabarbital than newer benzodiazepine/non-benzodiazepine hypnotics like temazepam or zolpidem. It should be significently more sedating. As for a legal prescription for insomnia? Can't see it, especially since the effective dose for your type of insomnia (IMO) is around 3 tablets, and the normal prescribed dose is 1. However, without breaking forum rules, I can say that it can be had easily on the internet, as its not a controlled substance (on the federal level, many states have scheduled it). Google is your friend.

[200Ponies]

I am using GBL at the moment but I need something longer acting as I wake after a few hours sleep. Atleast I dont get hungover with GBL.
Is Soma long acting?

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[BlondieUK]

Try Nitrazepam.

[200Ponies]

Originally Posted by BlondieUK

Try Nitrazepam.

Will it be strong enough though?

[truth]

xanax. just take 20 mg

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sarcastic or not, this is dangerous and unnecessary!!!

[moda00]

Originally Posted by truth

xanax. just take 20 mg

This is dangerous and ridiculous. Alprazolam (Xanax) therapeutic doses are 0.5 to two (2) milligrams. Please be careful and do not promote false or dangerous use. I am sincerely hoping that was a typo or an attempt at sarcasm, but either way still highly irresponsible.

[truth]

SWIY said he cant sleep so take 20 mg of xanax. Knocks you right out. Seriously. He says nothing else works. He keeps asking strong. So SWIM is being straight up. SWIM sees nothing wrong with 20 mg of xanax

[BlondieUK]

Originally Posted by 200Ponies

Will it be strong enough though?

Nitrazepam is generally one of the strongest biodiazepenes (sic?) you can get, I think.

Try 10-20ml and if that doesn't work, try one more until sedated.

You could always get alot of Temazepam, the good thing with these is it's hard to OD, Swim is a little guy and has (stupidly) taken over 180ml of them in one go a couple of times (amphetamine psychosis, I know it's stupid, don't bother telling swim, swim is aware)

Swim obviously doesn't advise the above, but the jist of it is, you can have as many as you need without much fear of screwing yourself up.