IV ing tramadol

[Birkill]

I read on wikipedia that tramadol comes as iv ready but are the oral capsules safe to open up and take via IV?

[Birkill]

Fuck it dunt, matter jus popped em in the end, silly idea realy!

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Self incrimination

[Fantasian]

As we've said many many times before, please dont IV tablets or capsules, if you are going to IV tramadol use Iv vials, as far as i know the powder inside the capsules shouldnt be IV'd as it has other constituants besides the drug.

And secondly please dont self incriminate!

[silentghost]

Tramadol seems to be mostly filler from SWIMs experience (at least it always seems that way, despite being 50mg and very small). SWIM says they are so cheap and easy to get you might as well just chew 'em up. Much better drugs if you most certainly want a needle rush.

[fizzle]

Pills and needles need not go in the same sentence. Lucky for swim, he doesnt even like gettng a flu shot, so using needles voluntarily will never apply to swim. Pills are made for a reason (to be taken orally), and vials are made for a reason (to be taken via IM or IV).

[nibble]

Also besides the obvious don't shoot pills thing, the tram won't get metabolised into the good stuff, O-Desmethyltramadol. Meaning you'll get very little opioid effects but still have all the snri effects.

[delphinen]

Did Tramadol IV twice. Oral is much better. Unless you get O-Desmethyl to IV (you dont), just take it orally.

[samuraigecko]

SWIMs friend stupidly IV'd tramadol a few times. He said that all it does is make one side of his body numb.

Because tramadol needs to be processed by the liver into O-Desmethyltramadol, IV'ing it directly to the bloodstream is almost pointless.

SWIMs friend is getting a knee reconstruction at the moment (he has a rare bone disease as he has mentioned before) and because he kept on hitting his clicker (morphine) until he would fall asleep, they took the clicker off him and gave him a tramadol drip. This was curious to SWIM so he asked the doctor about it while he was visiting his friend. The doctor knows SWIM and knows he has a background in biochem and gave him the short rundown that it was "active tramadol with strong mu-opioid receptor affinity and high lipid solubility" so SWIM assumed that perhaps O-Desmethyltramadol is available for IV drip but only in hospitals for postOP purposes. This is not confirmed information, SWIM is just going off what that particular doctor told him, which when included with the data on tramadol being almost non active as a mu-opioid agonist and O-Desmethyltramadol having an OK-ish mu-opioid affinity one can almost certainly assume that this may indeed be the case.

Hope this has helped

[Fantasian]

Originally Posted by samuraigecko

The doctor knows SWIM and knows he has a background in biochem and gave him the short rundown that it was "active tramadol with strong mu-opioid receptor affinity and high lipid solubility" so SWIM assumed that perhaps O-Desmethyltramadol is available for IV drip but only in hospitals for postOP purposes.

This is exactly right, hence why tramadol vials or tramadol that goes in a syringe driver in hospital is differant to that of an oral tablet. SWIF has seen them treated seperately in terms of ordering in hospital

[Dellzx]

Ok SWIMs not to sure what IVing is SWIMs guessing its the stuff they give you when your in the hospital. If some one could explain to SWIM how to IV stuff it would be appreciated. SWIM knows this its the right section to be asking in but SWIM has a question about this post. Ok SWIM is a ex-meth shotter and just tried hydromorphone the other day 4mg and wasn`t that impressed. Now can SWIM just straight shot like 150mg of tramadol would it get SWIM high as a kite? Now SWIM knows its not good for him to shot pills but to bad no drug is good for any one unless its used for medical reasons. So every one saying dont shot pills up its not good for you. Think about that when SWIY is eating a pill or smoking something later. Dont be a hypocrite. No drug is good for anyone whether you do it IV shoting smoking orally or anally.

[samuraigecko]

Originally Posted by Dellzx

Ok SWIMs not to sure what IVing is SWIMs guessing its the stuff they give you when your in the hospital. If some one could explain to SWIM how to IV stuff it would be appreciated. SWIM knows this its the right section to be asking in but SWIM has a question about this post. Ok SWIM is a ex-meth shotter and just tried hydromorphone the other day 4mg and wasn`t that impressed. Now can SWIM just straight shot like 150mg of tramadol would it get SWIM high as a kite? Now SWIM knows its not good for him to shot pills but to bad no drug is good for any one unless its used for medical reasons. So every one saying dont shot pills up its not good for you. Think about that when SWIY is eating a pill or smoking something later. Dont be a hypocrite. No drug is good for anyone whether you do it IV shoting smoking orally or anally.

IV is injecting.
IntraVenous
Probably latin like most medical stuff, more than likely meaning
Intra (introuduced, inducted into)
Venous (vein, route of)

The bit about latin is conjecture though, SWIM didnt actually look it up. Probably fairly accurate though.

Hope this has been of help

[Fantasian]

Originally Posted by Dellzx

Now SWIM knows its not good for him to shot pills but to bad no drug is good for any one unless its used for medical reasons. So every one saying dont shot pills up its not good for you. Think about that when SWIY is eating a pill or smoking something later. Dont be a hypocrite. No drug is good for anyone whether you do it IV shoting smoking orally or anally.

True however the benefits of swallowing a pill usually outweigh the costs in most SWIM's eyes. However the risks associated with IVing/shooting/mainlineing and drug are significantly higher than that of oral for a whole host of reasons. UTFSE to find but a few. Injecting drugs is playing a very differant game to that of oral administration, in my oppinion the feeling, addiction potential and ritual or intravenous drug use put it in a whole differant league.

[Dellzx]

Originally Posted by Fantasian

True however the benefits of swallowing a pill usually outweigh the costs in most SWIM's eyes. However the risks associated with IVing/shooting/mainlineing and drug are significantly higher than that of oral for a whole host of reasons. UTFSE to find but a few. Injecting drugs is playing a very differant game to that of oral administration, in my oppinion the feeling, addiction potential and ritual or intravenous drug use put it in a whole differant league.

SWIM knows hes been there done that got the busted veins to show for it. SWIMs point is people is all ways saying you shouldn't shot up or IV or mainlining or what ever. If any thing people should be saying is don't do drugs. But since this is a drug forum it would be hypocritical to say that.

So any time some one asked a question about shotting up or IVing or what ever don't tell them they shouldn't do it or its bad for them. They all ready know that. If some one is asking a question about shotting up just tell them what they wanna know.

Every time SWIM asked a question about shotting adderall or hydromorphone or tramadol. Every one says "Pills are made to be takin orally." Will guess what SWIM knows that but he just wants to get to the next level of high.

Now SWIMs sorry is hes a lil harsh but hes been up all night on 4x 50mg tramadol and for some reason it didn't put him a sleep like people said it would. SWIM thinks hes all most got lock jaw from grinding his teeth for the past 6 hours.

[Fantasian]

While this forum is not a harm reduction forum it tries to concentrate on giving the most accurate informative advice on any setting, the reason people are highlighting the danger of injecting inpure or substances full of pill binders is because it's very dangerous to SWIM's health. A much better method would be to obtain the vials of the desired substance and inject much safer, thats all that people are trying to say. The problem with asking questions beyond that is that most knowledgable drug users dont use IV as a route of administration and in those that do even fewer would inject pills because of the clear dangers so it becomes very difficult to get experiences and information because few people have actually gone through the process. People arn't trying to tell you what to do or what not to do, just give you the information that allows you to make your own choice.

You highlight in your previous post that SWIY has busted veins from IV use, SWIF knows many people who have used IV as a route of admin and had little or no problems, the main reason SWIY will have problems is because he has injected things like pill binders. Sorry if this comes off like a lecture but the forum in my eyes isn't about getting battered it's more about using drugs in the safest way possible with maximum benefit and minimum risk. ie if SWIY really wants to push boundries and inject then use a clean substance (ie not pill) or find a way to filter out the unwanted crud.

Anyways lets not get too off topic.

[Dellzx]

Ok one last thing and SWIMs done. SWIM is just saying if some one ask a question about shotting up they all ready know the danger there is no point in reminding them. Thats all SWIM has to say.