Thinking Differently

[Kuba32]

Does anyone feel they think strangely when they do a drug? For swim when he smokes marijuana and gets really high he starts having strange thought that normally wouldnt have. They become real philosphical and speculate the meaning of existance. The best one he can explain happened yesterday. SWIM was really stone and took dxm(300mg) too and smoked alot more. He began thinking like where the world came from. Like whoever thought of a place that was inhabited by living things and they all roam around and live. Then its like who thought of a God and how is it possible that he exists did he create himself??? Lately hes been thinking about things like the meaning of existance and life and he has been starting to think he is crazy. He feels he needs to talk about it to people but he only has a friend or 2 that understand the feeling of crazyness. He keeps alot to himself. Do other people expierence this or is swim truly going insane.

[TMM]

All the time. As far as I'm concerned it's perfectly normal. SWIM's rarely even on drugs when he has such off-the-wall thoughts. A lot of people talk about the 'the meaning of existence', but I've found it's very easy to think about this in incredibly basic terms - effectively thinking about it without thinking about it at all. Posing the actual question, devoid of any kind of social/archetypal grounding, throws up ridiculous paradoxes and mental blocks when it defies all the logic and reason that's been the norm for your entire life. It's similar to trying to comprehend what it is like not to exist in any form whatsoever, to merely have your consciousness shut down when you die: which is, of course, a mu question.

Serious speculation can make these thoughts heavy, scary even, especially on drugs when one is less in control of their own mentality. SWIY doesn't really have anything to worry about.

[[éS]Infinite]

Hehe, SWIM believes the change in thought process is a direct result of drug use, why they're called psychoactives. However, SWIM has noticed that drug use, and achieving powerful realizations have provided him with the means to think differently without drugs. There are no words which go through SWIM's mind, however thoughts still function completely, but in a different way. Suppose one may say that they flow in such a way which is comprehensible, but simply without words.
It has its advantages as well as disadvantages.

[psyche]

Sure, drugs may give one some perspective. It's an altered state of consciousness. SWIM has been thinking about those things all his life, however. But when he first smoked weed, those thoughts came so much more tangible and alive. Psychedelics are very renowned for making one wonder such things. It's nice to ponder those things. Take a look at the euphoric mind -forum or mystical insights -forum and you'll find plenty of conversation on this sort of 'ultimate' topics. I'd also recommend reading some texts of Alan Watts that are found online, it's very interesting. "The nature of consciousness" in particular might interest you. It can be found through google.

[Kuba32]

Woo you guys dont how reilved swim is lol. Im happy that others can agree that drugs have changed the way the mind works and thinks. Its really hard for swim to put in words. Its almost as if everything is seen from a 3rd angle. Like before swim saw things from only 2 sides now theres is like a drug induced 3rd angle of perception. Swim noticed thinking was differnt after smoking weed but after shrooms its like he is a differnt person completely. SWIM enjoys reading books now just looking for insights and things like that.

[Lethargy]

Welcome to the Other Side (or An Other Side at least)

Some people learn to question reality from an early age, in fact many of us did constantly as children, the stereotypical child asks "Why?" incessantly.

At some point most people (but not all) learn to accept certain things taught by parents, teachers, priests, older siblings, whoever. Just accept it and move on to the next thing.

Many people stay with this mentality their entire lives. Others learn to question again, through having a particularly odd experience, supernatural or non- such as nearly dying in a car accident... or perhaps taking some strange chemical drug, whether marijuana, lsd, mushrooms or too much cough syrup... or meditation or other consciousness developing exercises such as participating in a group exercise of some sort.


The biggest thing we can say: Do not expect everyone to understand your sudden curiosity about such subjects. By all means continue to ask questions and seek intelligent discussion but to a great many of the people in this world such questions do not even exist and they will not understand or care.

This forum exists as a vehicle for discussion on many of these things. By all means continue asking.

[I>A\/I>]

The thoughts you are entertaining
usually will not manifest before age 25,
and if they are not entertained before about 40 years of age,
they will not be entertained at all.

There exists in each person an objective place
which is NOT identified with the chattering thoughts
which usually rule our consciousness.

Being aware of that place without words,
and being sure that it "is" real,
and then coming out and using your talking mind
to ask others about their experiences....
is rather unsettling,
because you are using words
to talk about a place without words.



You either been there: or y'ain't.




But many have been there,
and will share their words back,
acknowledging that they hear and identify that of whcih you speak.

That's a good place to be,
and you should try to go there frequently, and be still.
It will make you more alive to yourself, and you will be more content.





After you can go there easily, and be still......
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.then one day you can go there, and after a while,

(metaphorically),

silently turn 180 degrees....
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And see that you are being watched....

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Then,
my friend,
your world will change.

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[SomebodyAfar]

And I thought I was the only one

Ok, hmmm, well basically there is not much more we can actually do than accept and think, and think somemore. Your not going crazy, because nobody can deem anybody crazy, and those who do are ignorant. But if you insist that you are, as I used to, just resign yourself to it. Smart and Crazy.Dumb and Ignorant. Just realize, all you have is LIFE. Maybe 80 years, but after that, we do not know. So it seems in ALL sense to cram as much pleasure into your space of time.

[kumar]

ever since swim was very very young.. before primary school.. swim significantly remembers having a very very abnormal mind...(whos to say its not normal).... lets jsut say different... the past few years swim has only started to realise this though... as swim lives on and partakes in more drug taking expereinces swim begins to identify the differences even more...
when swim smokes weed it almost feels like another person is being injected into swims body.. swim find himself thinking about sobre him and refers to it as a different person... swim thinks about choices he makes and conversations he has whilst sobre and he starts to think why on earth did you do that rah rah rah... the wierd thing is that when swim is sobre.. swim does not have these thoughts about who he is when he is wacked...

swim knows in his mind that whatever level he is on is not the average level.. swim used to spend every day wondeirng wheather or not it was abnormal or one of a kind... after meeting a guy stuck in an acid trip... swims life started to make a lot of sense....

swim does understand the fact that it is very very very difficult to acutally explain what we are talking about so all i can say is yes swim's mind is working like yours... your not alone.. swims has come to terms with the fact that an explanation is far from possible... the only way you can come closest to and explanation is to have another let you know that your not the only one... once you know its real and its happening in many others you are able to explore it on a more deeper level...

swim recently experienced acid for the first time and it was as if my life made TOO much sense... ever since then life has become my oyster and i do beleive even after 18 years of this swim still hasn't cracked the surface...

i'd jsut like to clarify to ya'll that the wiggenouse thoughts swim gets when wacked is to his wigenouse thoughts as a grain of sand is to the beach

we're not going crazier... where getting saner

[madforgal]

Drugs can have exceedingly different reactions to different people...including exceedingly different thoughts and identifications....All of it depends on what the person's mental make up is before he induces any ' stuff ' into his body...

swim has usually observed that ' intent' plays the most major if not ' only ' role in the mind led to different kinds and forms of thinking....many users, i feel sad to say, just wanna tripp>a, get high>a, get wasted....swim dissociates himself with ones falling in this catagory. Swim's experience has taught him that every drug, whether it be synthetic, root, entheo, herbal irrespective, has something to convey....something to say....what you ingest / put inside your body has and gives out an energy of its own, when combined with yours.

Swim has seen freaks being carried away to hospital on plenty occasions merely because they just ' used ' the drug for a high....merely to get high and wasted...and swim pleads with fellow users not to do so....do it with an intent please....the simplest of them intents being...relaxation or unwinding or destressing one's self...

swim has had fabulous experiences when he's wanted to learn from drugs he's used...merely in your mind ask the drug what it wants to show you / give you / teach you...

Third person perceptions are refreshingly enlightening....but one's got to be ready for it i assure you...

[Nature Boy]

Originally Posted by Kuba32

Then its like who thought of a God and how is it possible that he exists did he create himself??? Lately hes been thinking about things like the meaning of existance and life and he has been starting to think he is crazy.

This isn't insanity, it's rational thought if anything. If more people actually bothered putting some thought into their most vehement beliefs they would probably find that not a lot of it makes sense and we would have a lot less religious loons running about IMO.

[Euthanatos93420]

Yes, Swim remembers beginning there. Those were thought he had way before he found drugs. DXM and salvia have had a profound effect on his cosmic perspective.

Sally, Dex & Mary all play well together. Preform experiments.

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56319