TEK - Making Morphine the Simple way, With Extras

[samuraigecko]

This thread is a description of how these materials are made in theory. No one should ever attempt to make or try any of these or any other procedure outlined by SWIM. It is merely for informational and research purposes only.

Hello, one is sure almost everyone is familiar with SWIM so he will just say HI to all SWIyou bro's 'n' sis's out there.

This is . . .

THE COMPLETE GUIDE TO MAKING MORPHINE FROM CPS SOLUTION OR CFO
(With Extras. . . )

Firstly, SWIyou MUST be familiar with making CPS solution (basically cleaned poppy pod tea) and/or CFO. If not then SWIyou can read up on it in "the improved guide"

Now to the good stuff. . . .
Once SWIyou are familiar with the CFO technique . . SWIyou will probably be left wanting more. In this guide SWIM will show in a basic form how to make simple morphine base and then also show how to make other things from that simple morphine base.

Here is a quick rundown of what will be needed for the simple morphine base.
1] calcium carbonate.
2] CPS solution BEFORE being made into CFO.
3] a digital pH meter.
4] a double boiler.
5] a high grade filter.
6] a glass, plastic or stainless steel "wooden spoon" for stirring.
7] preferably an electric stove top.
8] a thermometer that reads to the right temps.
9] someone to make the coffee cos it takes patience.

Here SWIM will intercede and put a F.A.Q before anySWIOne asks any questions.

1] can anything other than calcium carbonate be used?
Yes but this is the easiest way.
2] can SWIM re-dissolve SWImy CFO to make the morphine base from?
Yes.
3] can pH strips be used instead of the digital meter?
Yes but it is harder and less accurate and likely to produce problems.
4] can SWIM use a normal pot rather than a double boiler?
Yes but it will be easier to burn the morphine.
5] does the filter have to be high grade?
No, but SWIyou will loose yield.
6] why cant SWIM use a normal wooden spoon?
because it absorbs liquid and therefor the precious alkaloid in question.
7] can SWIM use a gas stove?
Yes but keep an eye on the temps.
8] Does SWIM really need a thermometer?
Not unless he wants to come out with something useless.
9] why does SWIM need someone else to make the coffee?
cos it takes time and SWIM cant be f**cked making the coffee. . LOL.

OK now . . .
Take the CPS solution and complete the "hot filtering" part of the procedure.

Ice-o-late and defat with paraffin as per CFO TEK.
Filter everything off well so that SWIyou remain with a precipitate free liquid.

Put this liquid into a double boiler and place the thermometer in the liquid so the temperature can be watched.

Bring the liquid to 70 degrees Celsius and have it remain there.

Mark the liquid level, if it drops add small amounts of hot water to bring it back up.

VERY SLOWLY add calcium carbonate to the solution while keeping the liquid agitated with the "wooden spoon".

SomeSWIM needs to help here as the pH meter needs to be immersed and watched carefully.

Bring the pH of the liquid to 9.1

Quickly take the double boiler off heat and discontinue agitation of the solution.

At this pH the calcium carbonate will cease to be soluble and as the temperature of the liquid drops the calcium carbonate will "fall out" of the solution or "precipitate".

This precipitate will be a brown/beige color and has carried with it the morphine content of the liquid with a VERY slight codeine taint. This is known as calcium morphinate or "raw morphine base".

The liquid is filtered off through a high grade filter and discarded.

The precipitate is kept and dried out into a cake, its size will depend on the volume of CPS liquid used.

One can use an oven at very low temperatures with the door open to facilitate the drying of the morphine base.

VIOLA raw morphine base . . . .

This can now be used to make a heap of different things. It is the traditional starting point for making street Heroin mainly used by S.E.Asian countries and other Heroin producing countries.

SWIM will soon post more on exactly how this is done as well as explaining how to make 6MAM, Morphine HCl and Morphine Sulphate from SWIyour new Morphine base.

Hope this has been of help

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[Nucking Futs]

well done gecko on yet another great TEK. Thank you for your VERY informative posts.

[umbra1010]

Swim is making a pdf out of this. Thanks, SWIM will have to do this sometime.

[vile_audio]

quote:
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1] can anything other than calcium carbonate be used?
Yes but this is the easiest way.
______________________________


what else could be used sodium carbonate/bicarbonate?

naoh or koh?

does morphine precipitate as a base at ph 9.1 no matter how one based it?

[samuraigecko]

Originally Posted by vile_audio

quote:
_____________________________
1] can anything other than calcium carbonate be used?
Yes but this is the easiest way.
______________________________


what else could be used sodium carbonate/bicarbonate?

naoh or koh?

does morphine precipitate as a base at ph 9.1 no matter how one based it?

No, other calciums and limes can be used though. Some are relatively dangerous chemicals though so SWIM sticks with CC because it is practically inert but does the job EXTREMELY well.

There is calcium hydroxide, slaked lime, lime calcite etc. In some of the S.E.Asian countries SWIM has visited they even use high content lime FERTILIZERS as the precipitant! (w00t).

Morphine base is Calcium Morphinate. Morphine bonds to the calcium molecule and does not bond to a sodium molecule (in alkaloidal state).

SWIM will list these other chemicals that can be used to precipitate morphine a little later in the show . .

sodium carbonate/bicarbonate do not bond with the morphine molecule to precipitate it from the solution.
Some peoples insist that it does, but through practice and use of result SWIM knows it doesn't.

Hope this has been of help

[vile_audio]

okay mr ninja sir

what if one obtained an otc supplement of calcium carbonate, could these pills be extracted then used or would the small amount of inactives inhibit the basing at all?

[samuraigecko]

Why would one not just buy pure CC ?
It is easily obtainable and one does not have to go anywhere near a pharmacy.

It is going to be better to use pure CC than have to extract the CC from any kind of pill. SWIM would not even know a procedure for extracting CC from something. Most health food shops etc carry CC powder anyway. If they dont then it is not hard to find somewhere that deals in limes / calcites etc on a wholesale or agricultural scale.

Hope this has been of help

Hope this has been of help

[vile_audio]

thanks and yeah this fella over here was trying to find a place where he could walk into and get it not order online

[rxbandit]

um... isn't chalk( you know the kind that you scratch on black boards with) pure calcium carbonate. They sell the stuff everywhere...

[samuraigecko]

blackboard chalk is mineral gypsum (calcium sulphate).
Calcium carbonate is chalk though yes, in its purest form.

This is actually an interesting post because it mentions that calcium carbonate in some forms is both non soluble and also somehow water soluble in the same aspect. Just to quieten down any fears about the questionable solubility of calcium carbonate SWIM can point out the fact that the slight acidity of the solution and the heat involved is actually what makes the calcium carbonate soluble in the solution to start with. As is noted, the pH rises and the temperature lowers which cases Calcium carbonate to fall out (precipitate).

This however also leads SWIM into thinking along another line which he has not tried. As suggested by SWIrxbandit blackboard chalk may actually be the answer. This is a hydrated lime and is and may have an affinity to binding in other aqueous solutions more readily than calcium carbonate. The only thing he is not sure of is exactly how much of an affinity it will have. SWIM will have to try it and see.



Hope this has been of help

(More to come soon on the "Sulphate, Acetate, Hydrochloride" / Salting methods)

[Mammon]

Hats off to the Samurai - yet another superb post. Cheers mate, I can't wait to try this.

[samuraigecko]

SWIM can now confirm that calcium sulphate does indeed work exactly the same as calcium carbonate with a few slight changes, he will report how soon.

SWIM did find something in the interNUT though which confounded him as his friend have tried and tested the method many times over. This information is conflicting information stating that calcium carbonate takes impurities away and the morphine is still left in solution.

Here is the quote

Purification by lime. - The slightly humid raw morphine is mixed in an open stirring vessel with four times its weight of water, and slaked lime is added until the solution remains strongly alkaline to phenolphthaleine. The solution now contains all the morphine as calcium morphinate and is filtered off by vacuum on a Buchner filter. The residue on the filter, a mixture of lime, impurities and may be some calcium meconate, is washed free of morphine and then discarded. The combined filtrates are transferred to an open stirring vessel, where a 20% ammonium chloride solution is added to bring about complete precipitation of the morphine base. The latter is filtered either by vacuum or centrifuging after two days and washed with water. It contains then 20% to 25% of water. The combined mother-liquors, which contain a small amount of morphine, are extracted with solvent, as will be described later.

There is other research on this method also and comes from a medical journal so SWIM can see it has creditability. SWIM is also going to try this method and see if it works better than his method and make a relevant report.

It is conflicting information but also quite interesting because of its credibility. SWIM is yet to understand what is acting as the carrier for precipitation in this instance etc. If someSWIone knows then please feel free to elaborate.

[NOTE: The before processes are different and may account for how and why the morphine is not carried out of the solution by the lime/calcite).

More to come soon as experiments and research continues.

Hope this has been of help

[Nucking Futs]

Hi,

Swim has a access to morphine vials. 10mg in 5ml. Is there a way to make this more acctive or is it as good as it gets ? He has been in hospital for a week and is not doing opies due to the amount they pumped into him int hospital. Oh yea tramadil is cool but not IV. made him sick as they ivd him 100mg as soon as he came around sick he was !!! on 9 different types of pain killers so thinking being clean is good for a while even though he is still peeing blood clots today despite the second and last op being last friday !! Gotta love the NHS tho. The nurses do an AMAZING job and my hats off to them. Shame about the docs though.

Regards,

ME.

[samuraigecko]

The vials are all good. They are pharmaceutically made so SWIyou wont find much better in such a concentration and probably cannot make them better than what they are already.

It is not as good as it gets, but they are good as is.

[vile_audio]

Originally Posted by samuraigecko

SWIM can now confirm that calcium sulphate does indeed work exactly the same as calcium carbonate with a few slight changes, he will report how soon.

SWIM did find something in the interNUT though which confounded him as his friend have tried and tested the method many times over. This information is conflicting information stating that calcium carbonate takes impurities away and the morphine is still left in solution.

Here is the quote

There is other research on this method also and comes from a medical journal so SWIM can see it has creditability. SWIM is also going to try this method and see if it works better than his method and make a relevant report.

It is conflicting information but also quite interesting because of its credibility. SWIM is yet to understand what is acting as the carrier for precipitation in this instance etc. If someSWIone knows then please feel free to elaborate.

[NOTE: The before processes are different and may account for how and why the morphine is not carried out of the solution by the lime/calcite).

More to come soon as experiments and research continues.

Hope this has been of help

i believe they took the ph way past 9.1

[Smokeycat]

New here, but great site with lots of informed members.....my question would be since my cat is trying to enjoy his pods to their fullest, what would one do with the base made by the calcuim conversion? Smoke it? Eat it? Or further process it.....simplicity would be appreciated, but my cat has tons of patience and follows directions surprisingly well so any info would be great.....SC

[vile_audio]

i would rinse the precipitate with dh20 then placed it in a beaker with 5o mls of dh20 and add drops of acetic acid until the calcium morphenate dissolved then filtered it very well and evaporating it slowly
easy and gives a nice product thats alot more storable

[Smokeycat]

Originally Posted by vile_audio

i would rinse the precipitate with dh20 then placed it in a beaker with 5o mls of dh20 and add drops of acetic acid until the calcium morphenate dissolved then filtered it very well and evaporating it slowly
easy and gives a nice product thats alot more storable

Would the feline also need a charcoal filter or is it ok as is. Also, does this also change the codeine remaining into something one may not want? Or are the remaining bits of codeine of no real concern. SWIM read earlier that an experiment was tried and a trip to the ER resulted from severe histamine action.......thanks in advance for help.......this board is great and the cat is purring knowing there are so many others like himself that have enough respect for what it is we do to actually help each other............

[ncsponger]

SWIM thinks an activated charcoal wash would only help to purifiy the end product. It wouldn't alter the codeine on a molecular level but it may remove the codeine from the end product which would be a good thing.

[BumpBump]

if it would remove the codeine would it not also remove the morphine? swim read that activated charcoal was used to absorbe morphine in an ingested overdose?

[BumpBump]

swim also read that it is used to clean up the end product, so he is very unsure on this one. Swim was going to try using one of them water filter jugs to see if he could further filter the CPS

[vile_audio]

activated charcoal is not reactive it will not change anything

but it may as tyrone there put it absorb the codiene though i doubt it would do that

it will however absorb a lot of other impurities therefore is recommended

but swiv has been lazy and left it out just filter thru a funnel with a cotton ball or better yet a charmin plug

mr gecko do know morphine base's solubility in various nonpolar solvents?

more specifically xylene/tolulene or naphtha/ether?

sorry if thats a bit off topic

[Ethyl]

If swim wanted to extract all the alkaloids (all of them, not only morphine), then what base could be used to basify them all? In other words.. whats the best base for doing an acid/base extraction with all the alkaloids?

Amonium? Sodium hydroxide?

and the best solvent too..

[samuraigecko]

If one wanted to extract ALL of the alkaloids and not just morphine one would need to do separate extractions and then combine the mother liquors.

Since some alkaloids are soluble in only polar and others are soluble in only non polar (some actually have a small amount of solubility in both) then one would need to perform a polar extraction and a non polar extraction.

After this is done one would precipitate the respective alkaloids (unsure of how to achieve this because different alkaloids precipitate in different ways and using different precipitants) and then combine them.

Hope this has been of help

[Smokeycat]

Originally Posted by samuraigecko

If one wanted to extract ALL of the alkaloids and not just morphine one would need to do separate extractions and then combine the mother liquors.

Since some alkaloids are soluble in only polar and others are soluble in only non polar (some actually have a small amount of solubility in both) then one would need to perform a polar extraction and a non polar extraction.

After this is done one would precipitate the respective alkaloids (unsure of how to achieve this because different alkaloids precipitate in different ways and using different precipitants) and then combine them.

Hope this has been of help

To get back to the topic of isolating just the 'M', after one has the base, what next? Is it as smokable in the calcium as the CFO, or is it editble, or would a SWIMMER want to change it to a salt form.....thus my last question, as if you aren't busy enough.......how? Thanks for all you do here to help us 'hillbilly's'