working out on drugs

[420kid]

Is there any drugs that would increase ur muscle growth while working out?

[420kid]

And im not talking about any over the counter drugs or steroids. I mean like weed,coke,e,...ect

[IntrepidTraveler]

GHB has historically been used as a body-building supplement, as it raises the level of human growth hormone in the body. GHB supplementation could definitely aid SWIYs muscle growth.

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Interesting bit of information, never heard that before

[lefty righty]

Never heard that before. Will be looking into it. Thanx.

[SnakePlissken]

SWIM had no clue that GHB had those effects. This bit of information will definitely be kept in mind. Although it won't help build up muscles, Coke has always worked as a performance enhancer for SWIM. Coke before working out would probably greatly increase the chance of a heart attack though.

[IntrepidTraveler]

Go checkout the GHB forum, there is a dearth of information pertaining to GHB's performance enhancing properties--fitness and otherwise

[lefty righty]

Will do.

[stoneinfocus]

I wouldn´ßt say that about coke, it produces larger LH (luteinising hormone = more testosterone) secertion.

Amphetamines do have a protein sparing effect, also they do secrete more growth hormones especially when feeling elated(shown in men-studies with ritalin), on the other hand they tend do inhibit mitosis, so these might be more for cutting fat and sparing muscle, if one overcomes the anorectic effect and keeps up proper protein diet.

Have known one muscle-stud being always on speed, but don´t know if anabolics were involved, but at least the speed for sure didn´t hurt.

[Pondlife]

I'd suggest being very careful for a few reasons:

1. It's easy to get hurt if you're not mentally sharp.
This is especially true with free weights. Using something like GHB sounds like a recipe for disaster to me unless the amounts are kept very low.

2. The body is already under great stress during a workout, adding drugs may make this worse.
I'm mainly thinking of uppers like speed, cocaine Etc. here.

3. Hydration can be an issue for long workouts, and some drugs can interfere with this.

Personally, I wouldn't recommend it. If someone were planning on doing this, I'd suggest starting very low and having a training partner.

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took the words out of my mouth

[IntrepidTraveler]

Originally Posted by Pondlife

I'd suggest being very careful for a few reasons:

1. It's easy to get hurt if you're not mentally sharp.
This is especially true with free weights. Using something like GHB sounds like a recipe for disaster to me unless the amounts are kept very low.

2. The body is already under great stress during a workout, adding drugs may make this worse.
I'm mainly thinking of uppers like speed, cocaine Etc. here.

3. Hydration can be an issue for long workouts, and some drugs can interfere with this.

Personally, I wouldn't recommend it. If someone were planning on doing this, I'd suggest starting very low and having a training partner.

Apologies if SWIM's recommendation for GHB was too vague. He meant that GHB can help body builders by stimulating the body's production of human growth hormone between--not during--workouts. Obviously, working out on any intoxicant would carry heavy risks.

[lefty righty]

SWIM has found some comments on this subject to be helpful indeed.
Small night time doses seem to be a sensible thing. Muscle building is breaking down the muscle and recovering.
HGH in the body already is released more at night(swim read). GHB releases this all the more. It also aids in sleep.
SWIM wouldn't take it before a workout.
Squats also release larger amounts of HGH(swim read). Definitely add squats to a 5 or 6 day routine. Top heavy benchers with no foundation usually fall to the floor.
Swim decided against the GHB overall. If swim decides to convert to mass this is a potential Night Time practice.

[root_train]

Personally swim loves to work out on pain killers, because its so much more fun. It can get out of control though, swim has stretch marks from snorting methadone, and deciding to work out ALL NIGHT NONSTOP- yeah be careful

[Tick]

Originally Posted by root_train

Personally swim loves to work out on pain killers, because its so much more fun. It can get out of control though, swim has stretch marks from snorting methadone, and deciding to work out ALL NIGHT NONSTOP- yeah be careful

+1

it sounds like you haven't worked out a whole lot before but I could be wrong. i also get the impression you are kinda young but it could just be my altered state right now. if those are the case though, just work out naturally and you're muscle will take care of themselves for the first year or two as long as you stick with it. once i hit a plateau i like to take some pain killers and some NO-Xplode and push myself to a new level.

I wouldn't recommend taking supplements if this is your first time getting serious in the weight room, you don't want to grow accustomed to them early because you may not have the desire to lift w/o them.

[stoneinfocus]

This is what I actually wanted to say, but I lost it.

Originally Posted by Tick

+1

it sounds like you haven't worked out a whole lot before but I could be wrong. i also get the impression you are kinda young but it could just be my altered state right now. if those are the case though, just work out naturally and you're muscle will take care of themselves for the first year or two as long as you stick with it. once i hit a plateau i like to take some pain killers and some NO-Xplode and push myself to a new level.

I wouldn't recommend taking supplements if this is your first time getting serious in the weight room, you don't want to grow accustomed to them early because you may not have the desire to lift w/o them.

[lefty righty]

Swim was wondering if painkillers could increase fatigue. Also, wouldn't that dull the pain of a potential serious injury? What painkillers is swiy speaking of?

[stoneinfocus]

Originally Posted by lefty righty

Swim was wondering if painkillers could increase fatigue. Also, wouldn't that dull the pain of a potential serious injury? What painkillers is swiy speaking of?

It´s a two sided sword, when taken during or right before training, opioids will
decrease fatigue (some chinese workes take 10mg of opiate/day to be able to work that and and lie 10-13/hours a day), but one would still feel injuries, just ot a lesser extent, maybe masking chronic injuries, but that´s not a bad thing either in swim´s opinion, as swim thinks that most chronic injuries or inflammations profit from working out.

The principle is, it might help, with the thing one´s doing, but it might also emphazise tiredness and the non-existance of a working-regime.

[lefty righty]

Swim is actually looking for a serious supplement, that does not grow everything(heart-Liver,etc...).
Swim's muscle has it's memory and size is slowly coming back, as well as strength.
Looking to speed this process up.
Muscle magazines offer the same info over and over in the form of "six page adds" for products and workouts that don't work unless someone uses steroids.

On a day off SWIM took 2x325 mg of(real) aspirin for knee pain. Next day no pain anywhere, not even the usual aches and had an incredible work out. Swim was also well rested.
Don't know if that helps anyone-

[stoneinfocus]

Originally Posted by lefty righty

Swim is actually looking for a serious supplement, that does not grow everything(heart-Liver,etc...).
Swim's muscle has it's memory and size is slowly coming back, as well as strength.
Looking to speed this process up.
Muscle magazines offer the same info over and over in the form of "six page adds" for products and workouts that don't work unless someone uses steroids.

On a day off SWIM took 2x325 mg of(real) aspirin for knee pain. Next day no pain anywhere, not even the usual aches and had an incredible work out. Swim was also well rested.
Don't know if that helps anyone-

Hm, heart and liver will increase in size, as they´re gettign more effective and the liver will store more glycogen to assimilate to the training.

Things/supplements that help are:
-beta alanine (musle carnosine, sybnergism with L-carnitine and others)
-creatine (if one responds to it)
-Alpha Lipoic Acid -great stuff, higher slin-sensitivity, bronchodilatatory, great vitamine-addition supp and anti-oxidant Swims urine will smelllike lipoic acid the next 6 hours *g*
-propionyl or any L-carnitine
-proteins! and carby taken in at the right times and in the right amounts.
-citrulline malate (great stuff, increase muscle carnosine and really works very close as effective as EPO in my experience, if this were a steroid or a patented medicine, it were forbidden and on the doping-list-hypopcrits, fascist capitalistic destroying machines these (anti) doping pigs)
-sildenafil citrate -viagra or
-any NO-synthetase stim, Arginine is the cheapest and works great, it´s found big time in cartilage derived proteine, makes my veins pop out big time, taken after a session
-dont´t drink alcohol, blunts GH big-time and testosterone
-MJ widens the loungth, but is estrogenic so don´t overdo this see it as an arbitrary, wen you must do it or think it´s beneficial for pain and relaxation
-stims are okay, but avoid caffein, when you´ve a bump ticker or feel like it´s not so good in combination
-opiates are okay, too, but don´t overdo them and onyl when you´re experienced with your training routine (anything, that numbs you big time is only for the experienced athlete or should be used under a strict plan/routine) BTW, non-steroidal and non-opiate analgesics will damage your kidneys in the long run, and/or liver -acetaminophene.
-steroids: short time and slight supra-physiologically taken will help and do no harm e.g 600mg testosterone/week or equivavalnet or a little less, with 250IU HCG eod and an anti-estrogene will do a lot of good things without a crash of the HPTA in a two months time frame.

BTW: -nearly all of these a great to prevent damage from amphetamines and blunt hang-overs from them.

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Thanks for all this information

[CircuitBoy]

GHB used to be a serious workout aid. Did you know before it was made illegal, you could buy it at GNC, with protein, vitamins and workout drinks?

SWIM has found GHB aids workouts in two ways:
- Sleep aid. GHB before bed promotes deep sleep, which is necessary for recovery optimum muscle growth.
- Ergogenic. SWIM has discovered experimentally that a moderate dose of GHB before the workout increases his ability and desire to lift. Not so much GHB as to get high and be stumbling around the gym, but a moderate dose providing mild effects. SWIM finds the qiality and intensity of muscle contractions to be improved.

Another claim is the GHB releases growth hormone. What SWIM has read is that GHB also increase production of prolactin, which is catabolic (muscle destroying). So these benefits would appear to cancel each other out to some degree.

SWIM likes GHB for workouts, but stopped using it becuase frequent use of GHB caused desensitization to the compound.

[triptonaut]

Originally Posted by CircuitBoy

- Ergogenic. SWIM has discovered experimentally that a moderate dose of GHB before the workout increases his ability and desire to lift. Not so much GHB as to get high and be stumbling around the gym, but a moderate dose providing mild effects. SWIM finds the qiality and intensity of muscle contractions to be improved.

Swim has the same experience. It really makes him lift more weight when he takes a below average - average dose. And it's more fun as well because swim is very focused on pushing more weight (keep in mind this is only on moderate doses, working out wasted is not the way to go).

[stoneinfocus]

Swim found GHB was blunting his training, and he thinks he read anywherer, that GHB onyl helps with gh-secretion when being at rest and ultimatively providing sleep and higher gh-pulses during sleep.

Oh- and it quenched swim´s close to habit and sliding into addiction crawing for snorting aspartam.

[[éS]Infinite]

SWIM has found that sub-recreational doses of GHB have been helpful in gaining muscle mass. Several times now, he has used roughly a half gram of GHB (oral), waited 10-15 minutes and began working out until he can no longer continue. This is usually followed by a large meal, and a night's rest. He had remarked that within 2 sessions, muscles had grown and become more toned, and that soreness was greatly enhanced from what it would normally be.

[VoodooFeather]

The working out on pain killers is a great help, and idea. Don't know if its worth it starting out, unless you are really unmotivated to even start. Depends.

Was wondering if anyone smokes weed and then works out. Would that effect your coordination etc? Prolly would screw with your motivation in the first place.

[Tick]

Originally Posted by VoodooFeather

The working out on pain killers is a great help, and idea. Don't know if its worth it starting out, unless you are really unmotivated to even start. Depends.

Was wondering if anyone smokes weed and then works out. Would that effect your coordination etc? Prolly would screw with your motivation in the first place.

when swim was just a couple years younger he used to start long gym sessions with a bowl and an energy drink and be good to lift and hoop all day. swim doesnt smoke as much before the gym anymore, but sometimes a nice hit or two fits in nicely.

[EntheogenicTruth]

SWIM built up alot of his muscles while on DXM. because you are no longer inhibited by pain or your body's limitations.

i would not suggest weight lifting though. get SWIY to swim. muy fun on oodles of syrupy remedy... just dont hurl in the pool...