Drugs are tools not toys

[CocainJoe]

Ok you see SWIM didnt smoke his first joint till less then a year ago..i mean its been 19years of being sober i wanted to see what the fuss was about...well from that i can say that i have pretty much dont it all in less then 10monts

on to my rant

see SWIM is young but he feels much older but you see SWIM hangs out with alot of kids that Love to get "high" and they will smoke eat drink snort and drop any kind of drug they can fine...im sure you know ppl like this SWIM calls them posers i mean i hang out with them cuz well im young lol small town

here is where it gets good...

And SWIM just wants to say this FUCK YOU ok see your the problem you why ppl end up in county over a join ok...you take drugs to get high and thats not what they are for see SWIM was almost made sick when the acid wave hit out town...They ate it up like crazy just to get high....God damn it you see drugs like LSD Shrooms Weed and even coke (IMO) are tools they are not just to get high they are tools for one to explore there mind and find the real person they are drugs open a window into your mind i mean such drugs and help a person to find out who they really are but posers use them just to get high and think they are cool...they are the ones gettin caught they are the ones singing to the cops they are why we have a war on drugs in the USA the whole thing pisses me off..

When SWIM tried LSD he spent hours just thinking...his mind was a play ground and after it was over SWIM felt like he knew himself better...
they use it to get high and trip nuts and fuck it up for us...


Swim is done with his rant/first post but i just feel so strongly about this DRUGS ARE TOOLS NOT TOYS...


Hows that for a first post...lol see ya

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	Good one!
	great first post...

[Orchid_Suspiria]

This is all good,no one on this site would argue that jail sentences over anything a person chooses to do with their own body are senseless.However I would argue that coke is in no way as valueable a tool for personal insight as acid or even cannabis are.From my observations people that use cocaine on a frequent basis become very impulsive,very selfish,and are not always the most pleasant of people.

[CocainJoe]

Originally Posted by Orchid_Suspiria

This is all good,no one on this site would argue that jail sentences over anything a person chooses to do with their own body are senseless.However I would argue that coke is in no way as valueable a tool for personal insight as acid or even cannabis are.From my observations people that use cocaine on a frequent basis become very impulsive,very selfish,and are not always the most pleasant of people.

Well true on the coke but it does test ones self control lol

And its also SWIMS DOC so i gotta toss it in there....

[Nose Dive]

I have to agree with the Cocaine thing. By Bill does not go out of his way to obtain it. I can very much see your point, that it seems a mindless majority go out of their way to ruin things for the minority. However SWIY use drugs is up to SWIY but it does really piss me off when people abuse substances. That includes driving whilst under the influence.
Personally, my Bill uses his narcotics for a combination of self exploration into the realms of consciousness and to enjoy with his friends, often no where near the rest of society.
People refuse to think before they do anything these days.

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Most drugs swim has used he has gained atleast some valueable insight from.Cocaine is the only one swim gained nothing from,absolutely nothing.Unless one considers being able to talk all night about nothing a valueable insight.

[Metomni]

While my penguin loves to eat psychedelics for instrospection, he also loves them from the fun standpoint just as much.

Degrading someone for ingesting a psychedelic simply because they have a different goal in mind for their trip is ridiculous.

SWIM loves to meditate, but he also loves to go on walks, watch movies, cook, listen to music, chill, and to just do anything that pops into his head.

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Swim isn't really degrading anyone,however swim doesn't see anything insightful about cocaine.Okay maybe swim is biased from what he sees of coke heads?

[Nose Dive]

Originally Posted by Orchid_Suspiria

Swim isn't really degrading anyone,however swim doesn't see anything insightful about cocaine.Okay maybe swim is biased from what he sees of coke heads?

Possibly but from what my Bill has experienced you are unlikely to take coke for a quiet night of reflection and peace, rather jumping round, being slightly aggressive and overwhelming. Although some people may enjoy it's 'fun side' the assholes of the world would prefer to 'get fucked and start some shit'.
Jumping around, looking like an idiot on MDMA is a whole different kettle of fish. At least on MDMA you are feeling empathetic with others. On coke my Bill couldn't stop arguing with people and he's not an aggressive person at all.

[truth]

drugs are anything and everything

[CocainJoe]

Originally Posted by Metomni

While my penguin loves to eat psychedelics for instrospection, he also loves them from the fun standpoint just as much.

Degrading someone for ingesting a psychedelic simply because they have a different goal in mind for their trip is ridiculous.

SWIM loves to meditate, but he also loves to go on walks, watch movies, cook, listen to music, chill, and to just do anything that pops into his head.

" Degrading someone for ingesting a psychedelic simply because they have a different goal in mind for their trip is ridiculous."


Well you see SWIM is not degrading anybody anymore then they degrade them self Swim is Just getting sick of ppl using something they dont really understand then they act like it makes them cool...such as posting "wow im so fucked up" bulletins on myspace they use the drugs that have opened SWIMs mind to try to be cool...To follow the masses.

SWIM just wishes they could see that the drugs that make so cool can do so much more....they can open a window into your mind..and come out of the trip with a clear mine and a better understanding of there self...the drugs they use to just get high and brag about can Offer so much more...Drugs can open your eyes and mind to the world around you and the world inside your mind....

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[Nose Dive]

Originally Posted by truth

drugs are anything and everything

That was hardly helpful

[truth]

Originally Posted by CocainJoe

" Degrading someone for ingesting a psychedelic simply because they have a different goal in mind for their trip is ridiculous."


Well you see SWIM is not degrading anybody anymore then they degrade them self Swim is Just getting sick of ppl using something they dont really understand then they act like it makes them cool...such as posting "wow im so fucked up" bulletins on myspace they use the drugs that have opened SWIMs mind to try to be cool...To follow the masses.

SWIM just wishes they could see that the drugs that make so cool can do so much more....they can open a window into your mind..and come out of the trip with a clear mine and a better understanding of there self...the drugs they use to just get high and brag about can Offer so much more...Drugs can open your eyes and mind to the world around you and the world inside your mind....

Maybe its cuz SWIY hangs out with immature drug users. Just because SWIYS friends act like they do under the influence, doesn't mean the world does. SWIM thinks SWIY should get some new friends. Also, IMO trying to convince non drug users and even drug users or telling them how to take and enjoy a drug is wrong. Many SWIMMERS do agree with SWIY im sure, but just saying SWIY is most likely gonna just waste his breath.

[podge]

Originally Posted by Orchid_Suspiria

Unless one considers being able to talk all night about nothing a valueable insight.

Haha. Very well said.

[Orchid_Suspiria]

The statement"drugs are anything and everything."was actually very truthful and very helpful.It would do well for those so opposed to the freedom to use mind altering substance to remember this an understand not all use them because they are addictive nor are they a destructive force on the lives of all that use them.

[CocainJoe]

Originally Posted by truth

Maybe its cuz SWIY hangs out with immature drug users. Just because SWIYS friends act like they do under the influence, doesn't mean the world does. SWIM thinks SWIY should get some new friends. Also, IMO trying to convince non drug users and even drug users or telling them how to take and enjoy a drug is wrong. Many SWIMMERS do agree with SWIY im sure, but just saying SWIY is most likely gonna just waste his breath.

oh SWIM understands that no matter what he say im still wasting his breath...SWIM just wanted to get his point out there and see if anybody felt the same way as him..
and as for friends...SWIM lives in a small town so if he had a change of friends then he would be hanging out at the old folks home lol....but SWIM is doing some cleaning he straying away from the immature masses and SWIM is not telling anybody how to do there drugs he is just saying they should understand the drugs they use better..

[Metomni]

Swim isn't really degrading anyone,however swim doesn't see anything insightful about cocaine.Okay maybe swim is biased from what he sees of coke heads?

Sorry mate, that was not directed at you, SWIM should have been clearer.

Well you see SWIM is not degrading anybody anymore then they degrade them self Swim is Just getting sick of ppl using something they dont really understand then they act like it makes them cool...such as posting "wow im so fucked up" bulletins on myspace they use the drugs that have opened SWIMs mind to try to be cool...To follow the masses.

SWIM just wishes they could see that the drugs that make so cool can do so much more....they can open a window into your mind..and come out of the trip with a clear mine and a better understanding of there self...the drugs they use to just get high and brag about can Offer so much more...Drugs can open your eyes and mind to the world around you and the world inside your mind....

SWIY is degrading them by saying their motives are less grand than his own. While my penguin also detests distasteful and irresposible drug use, the things SWIY has outlined don't really amount to being irresponsible in my penguin's mind.

While introspection and meditation are amazing, there are other uses that psychedelics serve and to denounce those uses is to denounce that entire portion of the drugs experience.

[truth]

Originally Posted by CocainJoe

oh SWIM understands that no matter what he say im still wasting his breath...SWIM just wanted to get his point out there and see if anybody felt the same way as him..
and as for friends...SWIM lives in a small town so if he had a change of friends then he would be hanging out at the old folks home lol....but SWIM is doing some cleaning he straying away from the immature masses and SWIM is not telling anybody how to do there drugs he is just saying they should understand the drugs they use better..

haha noooo not wasting SWIYS breath on the forum. SWIM was talking about if SWIY went to people in regular day life preaching this. NOT ON THE FORUM is SWIM saying SWIY is wasting his breath. but SWIM is sorry for that mix up. SWIM might of came off as a dick, but thats not what SWIM is trying to do. SWIM agrees with your point of view and is happy to see that many also do.
swed

[Orchid_Suspiria]

People should indeed understand the drugs they use,swim unfortuantely came to too much of an understanding with a few of the ones he uses resulting in drastic sideeffects.

[CocainJoe]

Originally Posted by truth

haha noooo not wasting SWIYS breath on the forum. SWIM was talking about if SWIY went to people in regular day life preaching this. NOT ON THE FORUM is SWIM saying SWIY is wasting his breath. but SWIM is sorry for that mix up. SWIM might of came off as a dick, but thats not what SWIM is trying to do. SWIM agrees with your point of view and is happy to see that many also do.
swed

SWIM knew what you meant about trying to talk to the ppl that make the problem...it wont get you anywhere cuz SWIM means Who Is SWIM? nobody...

and you didnt come off as a dick....lol..

[TMM]

I opened this thread half-expecting to see an elitist rant basically implying that drugs should never be used for pleasure, but instead I was pleasantly surprised.

You make some very good points. SWIM can empathise, he's been in many of the same situations, and also finds it irritating how some people just take huge amounts of anything and everything, whereas sometimes he can find it difficult even to find a single opportunity to properly explore these foreign headspaces.

Really, I'm all for everyone being able to use whatever they like exactly as they please, but all of these idealistic theories eventually run into the STUPIDITY problem. The hard part of saying that no one should be able to tell anyone else what they can and can't do with their own bodies is realising that this also includes you, and it's pretty much giving them free reign to be as irresponsible and destructive as possible.

So what's the answer?

Um... hard liquor?

[Nose Dive]

Darwinism

[TMM]

Giant rat traps laced with cocaine.

[saorsa.elegy]

This is a good one!
My bunny has told me that she can use some substances to explore her mind, body etc. She likes to use mdma and pot for that. Coke on the other hand at first thought was that there is nothing to gain from that.
Coke taught bunny that she hated herself on it. That she had no control.
From watching bunny over the years I think that nothing is a mistake, just another part of our education of our souls.
as far as other people being balls to the wall and out of control to boot, there's nothing more that we can do other than educate!

[ReAlitY-HoLds-NonE]

If you think about it, it doesnt matter what you fel or see on a drug like cocaine and not gain anything from it... We all learn from our experiences, a drug like cocaine, in hindsight, taught SWIM alot about himself.. he had reverse effects on it, instead of being talkative and annoying he just sat there and was able to see how conversations had developed within the group. He learnt more about the people he was around with the drug, rather than learning about himself...all in all though, SWIM's veiws are very similar, almost all of his friends are for the 'get fucked' veiw ..and brag about how wasted they were and how much they were on, when it doesnt matter, all that matters are lessons learnt. Sadly though, most of SWIM's friends are in this category, but has found that with time one does find friends that feel the same way... Then all lessons learnt take a whole new, collective depth

[lefty righty]

Every drug has it's purpose.