Drugs are tools not toys

[CocainJoe]

Ok you see SWIM didnt smoke his first joint till less then a year ago..i mean its been 19years of being sober i wanted to see what the fuss was about...well from that i can say that i have pretty much dont it all in less then 10monts

on to my rant

see SWIM is young but he feels much older but you see SWIM hangs out with alot of kids that Love to get "high" and they will smoke eat drink snort and drop any kind of drug they can fine...im sure you know ppl like this SWIM calls them posers i mean i hang out with them cuz well im young lol small town

here is where it gets good...

And SWIM just wants to say this FUCK YOU ok see your the problem you why ppl end up in county over a join ok...you take drugs to get high and thats not what they are for see SWIM was almost made sick when the acid wave hit out town...They ate it up like crazy just to get high....God damn it you see drugs like LSD Shrooms Weed and even coke (IMO) are tools they are not just to get high they are tools for one to explore there mind and find the real person they are drugs open a window into your mind i mean such drugs and help a person to find out who they really are but posers use them just to get high and think they are cool...they are the ones gettin caught they are the ones singing to the cops they are why we have a war on drugs in the USA the whole thing pisses me off..

When SWIM tried LSD he spent hours just thinking...his mind was a play ground and after it was over SWIM felt like he knew himself better...
they use it to get high and trip nuts and fuck it up for us...


Swim is done with his rant/first post but i just feel so strongly about this DRUGS ARE TOOLS NOT TOYS...


Hows that for a first post...lol see ya

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	Good one!
	great first post...

[Orchid_Suspiria]

This is all good,no one on this site would argue that jail sentences over anything a person chooses to do with their own body are senseless.However I would argue that coke is in no way as valueable a tool for personal insight as acid or even cannabis are.From my observations people that use cocaine on a frequent basis become very impulsive,very selfish,and are not always the most pleasant of people.

[CocainJoe]

Originally Posted by Orchid_Suspiria

This is all good,no one on this site would argue that jail sentences over anything a person chooses to do with their own body are senseless.However I would argue that coke is in no way as valueable a tool for personal insight as acid or even cannabis are.From my observations people that use cocaine on a frequent basis become very impulsive,very selfish,and are not always the most pleasant of people.

Well true on the coke but it does test ones self control lol

And its also SWIMS DOC so i gotta toss it in there....

[Nose Dive]

I have to agree with the Cocaine thing. By Bill does not go out of his way to obtain it. I can very much see your point, that it seems a mindless majority go out of their way to ruin things for the minority. However SWIY use drugs is up to SWIY but it does really piss me off when people abuse substances. That includes driving whilst under the influence.
Personally, my Bill uses his narcotics for a combination of self exploration into the realms of consciousness and to enjoy with his friends, often no where near the rest of society.
People refuse to think before they do anything these days.

[Metomni]

While my penguin loves to eat psychedelics for instrospection, he also loves them from the fun standpoint just as much.

Degrading someone for ingesting a psychedelic simply because they have a different goal in mind for their trip is ridiculous.

SWIM loves to meditate, but he also loves to go on walks, watch movies, cook, listen to music, chill, and to just do anything that pops into his head.

[CocainJoe]

Originally Posted by Metomni

While my penguin loves to eat psychedelics for instrospection, he also loves them from the fun standpoint just as much.

Degrading someone for ingesting a psychedelic simply because they have a different goal in mind for their trip is ridiculous.

SWIM loves to meditate, but he also loves to go on walks, watch movies, cook, listen to music, chill, and to just do anything that pops into his head.

" Degrading someone for ingesting a psychedelic simply because they have a different goal in mind for their trip is ridiculous."


Well you see SWIM is not degrading anybody anymore then they degrade them self Swim is Just getting sick of ppl using something they dont really understand then they act like it makes them cool...such as posting "wow im so fucked up" bulletins on myspace they use the drugs that have opened SWIMs mind to try to be cool...To follow the masses.

SWIM just wishes they could see that the drugs that make so cool can do so much more....they can open a window into your mind..and come out of the trip with a clear mine and a better understanding of there self...the drugs they use to just get high and brag about can Offer so much more...Drugs can open your eyes and mind to the world around you and the world inside your mind....

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good point

[purplehaze]

Originally Posted by CocainJoe

Well true on the coke but it does test ones self control lol

Or ones funds.

[CocainJoe]

Originally Posted by purplehaze

Or ones funds.

"coke is gods way of saying you have to much money."

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Most drugs swim has used he has gained atleast some valueable insight from.Cocaine is the only one swim gained nothing from,absolutely nothing.Unless one considers being able to talk all night about nothing a valueable insight.

[podge]

Originally Posted by Orchid_Suspiria

Unless one considers being able to talk all night about nothing a valueable insight.

Haha. Very well said.

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Swim isn't really degrading anyone,however swim doesn't see anything insightful about cocaine.Okay maybe swim is biased from what he sees of coke heads?

[Nose Dive]

Originally Posted by Orchid_Suspiria

Swim isn't really degrading anyone,however swim doesn't see anything insightful about cocaine.Okay maybe swim is biased from what he sees of coke heads?

Possibly but from what my Bill has experienced you are unlikely to take coke for a quiet night of reflection and peace, rather jumping round, being slightly aggressive and overwhelming. Although some people may enjoy it's 'fun side' the assholes of the world would prefer to 'get fucked and start some shit'.
Jumping around, looking like an idiot on MDMA is a whole different kettle of fish. At least on MDMA you are feeling empathetic with others. On coke my Bill couldn't stop arguing with people and he's not an aggressive person at all.

[truth]

drugs are anything and everything

[Nose Dive]

Originally Posted by truth

drugs are anything and everything

That was hardly helpful

[Orchid_Suspiria]

The statement"drugs are anything and everything."was actually very truthful and very helpful.It would do well for those so opposed to the freedom to use mind altering substance to remember this an understand not all use them because they are addictive nor are they a destructive force on the lives of all that use them.

[Metomni]

Swim isn't really degrading anyone,however swim doesn't see anything insightful about cocaine.Okay maybe swim is biased from what he sees of coke heads?

Sorry mate, that was not directed at you, SWIM should have been clearer.

Well you see SWIM is not degrading anybody anymore then they degrade them self Swim is Just getting sick of ppl using something they dont really understand then they act like it makes them cool...such as posting "wow im so fucked up" bulletins on myspace they use the drugs that have opened SWIMs mind to try to be cool...To follow the masses.

SWIM just wishes they could see that the drugs that make so cool can do so much more....they can open a window into your mind..and come out of the trip with a clear mine and a better understanding of there self...the drugs they use to just get high and brag about can Offer so much more...Drugs can open your eyes and mind to the world around you and the world inside your mind....

SWIY is degrading them by saying their motives are less grand than his own. While my penguin also detests distasteful and irresposible drug use, the things SWIY has outlined don't really amount to being irresponsible in my penguin's mind.

While introspection and meditation are amazing, there are other uses that psychedelics serve and to denounce those uses is to denounce that entire portion of the drugs experience.

[Orchid_Suspiria]

People should indeed understand the drugs they use,swim unfortuantely came to too much of an understanding with a few of the ones he uses resulting in drastic sideeffects.

[saorsa.elegy]

This is a good one!
My bunny has told me that she can use some substances to explore her mind, body etc. She likes to use mdma and pot for that. Coke on the other hand at first thought was that there is nothing to gain from that.
Coke taught bunny that she hated herself on it. That she had no control.
From watching bunny over the years I think that nothing is a mistake, just another part of our education of our souls.
as far as other people being balls to the wall and out of control to boot, there's nothing more that we can do other than educate!

[ReAlitY-HoLds-NonE]

If you think about it, it doesnt matter what you fel or see on a drug like cocaine and not gain anything from it... We all learn from our experiences, a drug like cocaine, in hindsight, taught SWIM alot about himself.. he had reverse effects on it, instead of being talkative and annoying he just sat there and was able to see how conversations had developed within the group. He learnt more about the people he was around with the drug, rather than learning about himself...all in all though, SWIM's veiws are very similar, almost all of his friends are for the 'get fucked' veiw ..and brag about how wasted they were and how much they were on, when it doesnt matter, all that matters are lessons learnt. Sadly though, most of SWIM's friends are in this category, but has found that with time one does find friends that feel the same way... Then all lessons learnt take a whole new, collective depth

[lefty righty]

Every drug has it's purpose.

[doppey]

People use drugs for whatever reason they want or for different ones depending on what the situation is. A hammer is a tool but someone might have fun breaking rocks with it. Either can be more or less productive depending on your reasons for using them.

[zera]

Drugs aren't "meant" to be either tools or toys, they're merely molecules that bind a certain way to our brain cells. What we choose to do with them is entirely our decision. Just as your getting upset for people using drugs the "wrong way," other people are upset at you for what they perceive to be using drugs the "wrong way" (that is ingesting them at all).

In a creative culture people take the things around them and experiment with them in different ways. That's why freedom is great, because we can all try different things in different ways and who's to say that whatever someone else is doing might not be the thing that you find cool tomorrow.

Saying that drugs aren't suppose to be used to have fun is like saying that the White Album is not meant to be remixed with Jay-Z or that Star Wars Episode I is not meant to be watched without or that Hush Puppies are meant to be worn by suburban mothers not New York hipsters.

There's no point getting angry or upset at people just because they have different taste than you. We should celebrate the human desire to use the things around us in creative and different ways, including our relationship with drugs.

[Nose Dive]

Originally Posted by zera

There's no point getting angry or upset at people just because they have different taste than you. We should celebrate the human desire to use the things around us in creative and different ways, including our relationship with drugs.

I think it's also due to the un-wanted attention from the biased media that people shun reckless users. For every story about somone found dead with even a trace of a certain drug in their body there is always a public outcry for a crack-down on the narcotic in question as it is immediatley to blame. If somone were to slip on a wet floor and crack their heads after smoking MJ, the narcotic would be blamed.
Idiots are ruining things for others, simply by acting like idiots. At the end of the day although everyone takes drugs for their own reasons I find some ways to be incredibly selfish. I am no-one to tell people how they should be doing whatever and in which environment so I don't. But simply it does annoy me.

[[éS]Infinite]

SWIY may think he is getting more out of these drugs, and using them in their proper fashion for a greater cause, but SWIY must also realize that what your friends are doing is just the same. It is really hard to judge the value that an individual is getting from a trip, as it is in their minds, and for the most part, inexpressible.
Psychoactive drugs are tools, and they can be used greatly, however SWIY must find acceptance in those who use them for the reasons they do. You can't be mad that people enjoy drugs when SWIY himself uses them. Everything happens because it does, no need to get caught up on anything.

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[kaczynski]

I'd have to agree with you. SWIM hangs out with alot of these poser types, and is often annoyed by their "omg we're gonna get SO fucked up!" attitude, particularly with psychedelics. SWIM loves mind alteration, but for the sake of inner exploration, or at least gaining a new, less superficial perspective on the world around him rather than "getting fucked up."