Combinations - MAOI dose recommendation

[Salvinorin A]

So SWIM has searched around and is curious about the harmala alkaloids for potentiating a DMT oral trip.

So last night swim took 150mg of 99% harmaline, 50mg per capsule, 15 min apart.

So swim was ready to take the dmt, but the harmaline was a trip of its own. Intense CEVs, strong body feeling. Buzzing noises....audio hallucinations. The works. The down side: every time swim moved his head, a wave of nausea flew through him. SWIM could only stay perfectly still and listen to his 120+BPM heart rate...or vomit (which he eventually did several times).

So swim did some research and found that he should take 150mg of harmaline, but now swim thinks that this advice is faulty. That person probably meant syrian rue extract (50-50 combo of harmine and harmaline). SWIM also read that harmaline is stronger than harmine (for every 150mg of harmine, one should take 90mg of harmaline).

It was so intense, swim couldn't take his DMT....and is glad he didn't at the time he planned to because he threw up about 10 min later.

So, assuming that swim has harmaline at this purity (and not harmine)....what's a good dose to into a dmt trip? It was a very strong buzz...it would have ruined the dmt trip swim thinks. So strong swim couldn't move or think properly. It also put swim in a really bad mood.

How will swim know if he has reached inhibition? (other than go through what he did last night). Just a light buzz? SWIM will probably take around 80mg of harmaline next time he does it, so hopefully it won't be nearly as intense.

Thanks,
Sal-A

[Shampoo]

Swim has found that as little as 75-100mg harmaline (depending on body weight) provides sufficient MAO-Inhibition. As for titrating a dose to an active level, this may be more difficult if swiy is not seeking psychoactive effects from the MAOI (which seems to be the case), but mild tracers and visual waves should be apparent at an active inhibitory dose. Above 100mg harmaline seems to have a profound impact on the DMT experience, as well as significantly lengthening the 'afterglow', which may be undesirable.

[jaffacake]

SWIM wouldn't touch harmine/harmaline because of the intense nausea they cause. Moclobemide causes no nausea and can be dosed very accurately.

Dosage wise SWIM finds 30omg an hour before DMT fine.

[Shampoo]

The harmala alkaloids have rarely been shown to induce nausea in their pure form. Swim has found that on rare occasion, syrian rue ingestion results in some nausea, but this can be easily avoided by ingesting a homemade extract rather than raw seeds or seed-powder.
As for moclobemide, 300mg may be more than enough to inhibit MAO-A production and allow the oral digestion of DMT. Swim has had great success at 150mg, half that dosage. If swiy is simply seeking MAO inhibition and not necessarily an MAOI driven experience, they may want to lower the dose of the MAOI.

[Salvinorin A]

Yeah, as for nausea, in the earlier stages it was just fine. (SWIM didn't vomit any of the actual product). He only vomited later because he moved around a lot (which made him very nauseous). On the other hand, swim probably took a way higher dose than necessary of harmaline, so he can't really advocate if it causes nausea.

[Salvinorin A]

Well, SWIM might as well give a trip report.

He was on a fold out couch...like a queen size bed almost....in front of a computer watching the visualizations of Windows Media Player, listening to a playlist of deep music (Pink Floyd, Buckethead's Electic Tears, slow guitar...).

SWIM packed 80mg of harmaline into two capsules (40 each). SWIM later decided that maybe this was even too much, so he poured most of the contents of one into the other. He probably ingested roughly 60-70mg in one capsule. SWIM then waited over an hour.....no nausea...and eventually he got the sedating/buzz of the MAOI. He then waited longer to make sure he didn't feel sick.

After that SWIY consumed 2 caps (100mg of DMT). SWIM drank some orange juice to help the stomach, but he isn't sure if it helped. Time got slower over the next 20 minutes. The first wave came right at the 20 minute mark. But swim actually thinks it was the maoi because he got some closed eye visuals, nothing special, but similar to his experience with overdosing the harmaline. SWIM really thinks that it was the maoi because after about 40 minutes (it got stronger over that time), it completely went away...along with its nausea that was kind of brewing. SWIM expected to throw up at any moment.

When that subsided, there was just a period of waiting, weird thoughts...strange body feelings, minor visuals for the next hour. During that time swim's thoughts got really bad, things were very confusing, not a pleasant feeling.

And then the peak at T+2:00. All of a sudden, everything seemed brighter and very happy. As if it was a sunny day, outside on soft (fuzzy?) grass everywhere, but not like actually hallucinating this. SWIM then went to the bathroom and walking was definitely interesting. No real cool rippling visuals, but everything felt so happy, all objects gave off such a euphoric effect.....everything bright and soft and fuzzy. SWIM's pupils were very huge at this point. He then wobbled back to his bed.

SWIM didn't really like the closed eye visuals at this point, so he opened them and looked at the ceiling. He saw some patterns, but was very disappointed that they did not engulf him, and the dmt did not take swim anywhere...it was sad considering the dose swim took...but maybe it's due to the smaller dose of maoi.

The DMT got stronger at this point, it hurt to open swim's eyes so he kept them closed. The crappy visuals put swim in a worse mood. Eventually, swim got to thinking about life and his usual thoughts, but swim's brain was everywhere. One thought instantly led to the next...swim's thought process kinda went something like this: "What should I do with my life.....life...life...why live?...I'll have to deal with something when I'm sober...there must be some point to this....point to what? what the hell am I talking about....what is anything? what is what? why? GAH.......Please go away"

Definitely not fun. But swim, being an experienced tripper....dealt with it and didn't panic. But at one point swim's thoughts were so all over the place that he thought he would vomit (that usually happens when the brain can't take so many things going on.....similar to when Neo threw up after learning about the Matrix). Except swim surprisingly didn't vomit...he wanted to..and he really didn't....he's definitely happy now though.

This continued for maybe an hour. But after that, it just magically went away....it wasn't a euphoric playland effect again, it was like the same visual effect (soft fuzziness), but swim didn't feel it as much. He thought he was coming down, but this was certainly not the case. It was definitely more peaceful, and swim got a little time to think finally. After experiencing the brainfuck he just went through, he started to question all conflict in general. SWIM thought to himself that conflict/confrontation is unavoidable in a lot of situations, but for some reason swim just wanted to love everyone. He had this urge to hug everyone he knew closely after he came down...and that he would tell people how he felt about everyone. So much love. But swim thinks this was mostly in response to the bad part of the trip, he just wanted some relief. This stage lasted a while, but eventually it got a little more intense again, similar thoughts running wild, but not as dysphoric.

Eventually the song Comfortably Numb came on, and if anyone knows anything about tripping.....then swiys will know that the chorus of this song is the most amazing thing ever while tripping. SWIM pretty much started singing and contorted his body to the music in whatever way that felt natural. Very beautiful. This was at about 3.5-4 hours in.

There are some more details, but swim will skip them, they are not as interesting.

Swim then woke up, saw that it was now 6 hours into the trip and he was listening to songs that he had already heard....apparently he fell asleep eventually (this makes sense, swim got a little cold and went under the covers in his regular sleeping position). SWIM then decided to turn off the last of the music and actually get sleep...which he did.



Overall thoughts and conclusion: Although the good parts swim described were amazing, it was not worth the very bad parts or the lurking nausea throughout a lot of the trip....even though swim is used to purging from a lot of dxm use, it's still very very uncomfortable. The most disappointing thing was the lack of being "engulfed." When swim smokes DMT, he is certainly engulfed and the euphoria is incredible as well as the visuals. The problem is, swim isn't that good at smoking. SWIM probably won't do oral again because he's convinced that if he takes a higher dose...which he will need for his goals, he will then certainly vomit, and only waste a huge amount.

SWIM's intentions for the future are to take the maoi and then smoke it. So even if he gets an okay dose out of it, the maoi will not only potentiate the trip, it will greatly extend it. Not only that, but there will hopefully be way less nausea (with dmt alone smoked, there is absolutely none, only euphoria), even though the harmaline may act up. SWIM probably needs to practice smoking, but doesn't want to acclimate his lungs to something so harsh...but it seems worth it. SWIM has gotten very powerful trips from smoking DMT, but doesn't think that he broke through....or maybe he did, but in his trip he was able to think to himself that he wanted it to be stronger (even though it was quite strong enough).

Oh well, this report is quite long enough. SWIM hopes the best for all of swiys.

Peace,
Sal-A