so SWIM made a cwe a few times, succesfully, and since many people have trouble with this he decided to give a report. for other or better/cleaner methods search in the DF, this one is a good enough basic one though, at least for a good and safe (!) first try, if not more. This is what he wrote me (i uploaded the pics on imageshack, but they are also available on the image database, just didnt want to wait for approval)
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this is what the product that i use for this manual looks like. its a normal painkiller/cough relief/help for everything product, in most countries OTC available (different brand/name of course). capsules are good cos they are easy to extract, if you got pills crush em up to a fine (!) powder.
as can be seen it contains pcm and kodein, and also "klorfeniramin" which is a anthihistaminikum, this should NOT (!!!!!) be in your product, in fact besides PCM (and similar) and codein (and similar) they shouldn be anything in your product if you wanna be on the safe side, klorfeniramin in low doses is not really a problem but never ever think about trying this before getting proper information (available in the board and google)
i will use the term pcm for paracetamol/aspirine/similar from now on.
ok this is what you need or should use, fine-meshed coffee-filters. if theres nothing else available use something that is really fine meshed (ie. in some middle eastern countires they dont use filters, so these people have no choice) a normal t-shirt is not enough and maybe you should filter a lil more in that case. however, in this example we use the coffee filters.
so, as i said, you put the crushed up pills/stuff inside the capsules in a normal glas and put some warm (not hot since it might destroy codein) water in it and stirr it till it all dissolves, should look somewhat like milk or like really "snowy water", depending on the amount u use. in this example we go for 30 capsules a 10mg codein & 300mg pcm, which is, in my opionion, just the perfect amount for a normal glass of water to dissolve in.
now, after u stirred it well, you can put it in the fridge (the one on the picture already has experienced one filtration, thats why it doesnt look so snowy) or freezer and let it get "cold". i mean COLD. never frozen but as cold as possible without freezing anything, its not too important though, some people even dont cool it at all, but pcm becomes "thick" at a cool temperature and goes down on the ground of the glas and is thicker and thus easy to filter.
now you get to the filtering. its recommended to wet the filter a lil before using it, be careful though, cos the filters can easyly be destroyed! if you wanna be really careful, but one or two pieces of ice in the filter, so the solution stays cooled.
nor pour the glas with the codeine/pcm in the filter, slowly (to not destroy the filter), and catch the filtered water with a clean glass. if you are lazy build something like the construction on the picture above.
if you use a lot or pills which contain fillers, you may also do 2, 3 or more filtrations at the same time, splitting the process, which makes it faster (a little more work though, im uncertain if the result is better or worse, prolly the same)
the filter should look like this, containing the pcm/white stuff, usually more than in this picture, cuz the picture was taken from a 2nd filtration (and is not a good picture), because on the first one my filter broke (good point of me advising to be careful)
this picture was from the first filtration of mine (for this manual, i have done it many times before and usually this doesnt happen, but as said above my filter broke so i had to repeat it), it still contains some pcm but the difference is already signifikant.
------- however, in my opinion, the final-product should look something like this.
after the filtration this is what it should look like, pretty much like water, but still a little foggy, which is completly normal. depending on how much other (non-active) stuff was in the capsules/tablets (ie colorants etc), it can be more or less cloudy, capsules are prefered also because they contain less of that stuff than tablets. if you are unsure about this you might wanna repeat the filtration, but a tiny bit of "pcm-snow" on the bottom is nothing to worry about.
close to water, but still a tiny bit foggy. if it should still have a hint of white on the ground, dont worry about it, you can now, if you are really paranoid about pcm, but the glass back in the fridge, wait for it to get cold so all the rest pcm goes down on the ground and carefully drink everything expect for the last sip on the ground, which i usually dont bother to do.
so with this manual you have, by your choice, fast and not-so-fast but maybe more careful options for filtration, it depends on what you prefer, but in general it can be said that CWE is pretty safe if done "right" (filtered cold) and there is not too much to worry about especially in comparsion to non-cwe products
furhter info and different methods can be found in this forum
If SWIM was to use Atasol-8 pills, which contains orange colorant, is SWIMs final product supposed to be orange too?
Well if the colouring agent is water soluble then yes, it would be orange. And colourings to tend to be soluble in water so it should be fine, just FYI you'll have caffiene in that too.
which is both not really a problem if SWIY makes sure to do it all correctly (maybe read a few other manuals as well just to make sure SWIY knows whats important and whats just personal preferance in doin it, there seem to be a few slightly different ways, depending on peoples equipment/preferance/substance/experience)
Large doses of caffeine can be unpleasant, for that reason pills containing caffeine are avoided if a large CWE is being attempted. Otherwise users avoid caffeinated products (energy drinks, coffee ect) before a CWE to reduce possible side effects.
Last edited by Mint boi; 20-03-2008 at 23:35.
Reason: Edited for new rule
thats true indeed. im not sure about caffeine filtering, if its possible or not, but i know theres been many threads about it here. but maybe SWIY can find a product without caffeine
02-03-2008, 11:20
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