Bugged Phones, and a possible Solution

[genaro]

I now phones are easly tapped by the police (it's often done illegaly but they won't use the tap record as a proof anyway, it's just a good way for them to know what's going on around in a given area when they are suspicious, so they often do so without any warrent) now what I wonder is...

how easy is it to tap somebody's computer ? (despite antivirus program and firewall)

any people know about it ?

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a good thread.

[Pinkavvy]

to actually add a spyware program to your computer, they would need a warent. However, remember your internet access goes through either the phone line or your cable line ... both of which could easily be tapped and all your data mirrored and watched. doing illegal things on your computer is just a bad idea. No ISP system admin is going to sit in jail protecting your privacy.

[godismdma]

Originally Posted by Pinkavvy

to actually add a spyware program to your computer, they would need a warent. However, remember your internet access goes through either the phone line or your cable line ... both of which could easily be tapped and all your data mirrored and watched. doing illegal things on your computer is just a bad idea. No ISP system admin is going to sit in jail protecting your privacy.

Does anyone know how well those programs that change your IP to say china or cambodia work if they even work at all? Especially now I have herd the FBI has been expanding their computer crime departments and watch certain sites!! Emagine goin to the wrong site and gettin tagged by the feds! Example with expansion of computer cops is the latest news with Myspace, I have herd 2 cases with police gettin involved and making arrest from persons on myspace! One for some dumb high school kid braggin about makin over 200K a year sellin drugs and another settin up a guy that was seducing who he thaoght was a 14 year old girl!!!!

[Alfa]

Phones are tapped. Keyloggers or other nasty software is sent by LE. All with or without warrant. LEO's are good customers of spyshops as well. They buy all kinds of stuff they are not allowed to use. So SWIM's friend at the spyshop says.

[melt_000]

unless you are a hardcore hacker / security expert yourself, and even then, it is very easy to hack into your computer. if spyware creators are capable of doing it, the government certainly is. for proxies, it will depend on if the people operating the proxy server are willing to stand up to the le, which is probably not. if they want to get you they will.

[Alfa]

The problem with myspace.com is that it's owned by microsoft. Remember the extreme amount of money they had to pay the US government? After one session behind closed doors, that was swept off the table. Now see how LE is busting people trough myspace.com.

[melt_000]

Originally Posted by Alfa

The problem with myspace.com is that it's owned by microsoft. Remember the extreme amount of money they had to pay the US government? After one session behind closed doors, that was swept off the table. Now see how LE is busting people trough myspace.com.

but myspace is owned by news corp isn't it

[RealGanjaMan]

Originally Posted by Alfa

The problem with myspace.com is that it's owned by microsoft. Remember the extreme amount of money they had to pay the US government? After one session behind closed doors, that was swept off the table. Now see how LE is busting people trough myspace.com.

Last I heard Fox bought myspace.

Here is a link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4695495.stm

Oh, nevermind, News Corp owns it. Well News Corp owns Fox so close enough.

-RGM

[hh339]

around here they tap people all the time without permission. they will not be able to use it in a trial, but they will know what youré up to and then KABOOM they know exactly when to get you if you are making a deal big enough. swim has been tapped for months before but they couldn´t make it stick because of lack of a warrant. cops are sneaky bastards, be safe. peace

[fatal]

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	bullshit
	making an expert statement as truth that is not true at all.

[Pinkavvy]

Originally Posted by a myth

a message will play telling you that you have reached the time limit for recording would you like to save your message etc.

Not true. Not even close. We're not talking about your friend hooking up a fucking answering machine in your attack connected to the backfeed line. We're talking about a live listening device that starts and stops when the line is active and is monitored regularly not just recorded just incase.

Swim has has experience with phone conversations as evidence against him in court... and swim can assure you that there's not recording style machine that runs out of recording time and tells you.

[fatal]

xxnever mindxx

[MrMouse]

As a percentage of the population etc etc the chances of a phone being tapped are virtually non existent IMO/IME. The resource recessary would be insurmountable.

[MrMouse]

PS I hate the fact I can't edit my posts ... bloody typo's ... it looks retarded. Plus as I will not allow java or java script for some reason doesn't work so please excuse my lack of paragraphs

Ah-ha edit works.

[hh339]

there is only one rule: don´t discuss illegal or sensitive subjects on the phone, period. swim talked in codes and that was enough one time not long ago for a "legal" warrant. no drug related crimes were suspected, only some guy who got his door kicked in by swim and his arms broken for making threaths and not paying back cash. of course swim did not have any illegal/suspect chems in his house (except for things that they could not relate to lets say...hmm...baking they still could not make it stick though, but it´s kinda creepy that those damn motherfuckers have given themselves permission to override the system which is fucked up enough as it is.

[Pinkavvy]

If you have reason to believe that an illegal wiretap is on your phone line you have the right to have the phone company check the line for you and remove any such devices, or ruin them by sending a "squelch" tone. Also, if the police used an illegal method of taping swif's phone, you should persue civil action against them.

Legal phone wiretaps are done within the phone sytem router, and are undetectable. They are also monitered and are only for short durations to confirm the suspisions laid out in the warrant.

Dont need to get your panties all bunched up. It's not uncommon in the drug community for over-paranoia to cause people to think their phone is tapped. By the way, i didnt leave you a neg rep point saying you were a liar, must have been one of your other fans.

[purplehaze]

Originally Posted by Pinkavvy

fatal - If you have reason to believe that an illegal wiretap is on your phone line you have the right to have the phone company check the line for you and remove any such devices, or ruin them by sending a "squelch" tone. Also, if the police used an illegal method of taping swif's phone, you should persue civil action against them.

Legal phone wiretaps are done within the phone sytem router, and are undetectable. They are also monitered and are only for short durations to confirm the suspisions laid out in the warrant.

Dont need to get your panties all bunched up. It's not uncommon in the drug community for over-paranoia to cause people to think their phone is tapped. By the way, i didnt leave you a neg rep point saying you were a liar, must have been one of your other fans.

SWIM work's for a telecommunication's company and it is possible as a operator to tap into a line from a remote location using a switchboard to access the bell equip in the Central Office. Phone tapping is not as common as you think it is. Two easy place's to tap a line would be the crossbox aka XBOX, or the NID. The nid is a acronym for network interface device, it is the last point of the outside wiring, for appearance it's a little 6x6 tan grey or black box, mostly located on the side of a house or in the basement of a apartment. All it take's is a flathead screw driver to open it and thier's a "test jack" inside the nid.

All you would have to do is plug a phone into the test jack to listen to the conversation, most people who tap line's cut the line to the mic on thier phone so no sound is heard.

You can read all about wire tapping at www.howstuffworks.com it's a very usefull website to learn pretty much about anything.

And btw, if your line is tapped, it wouldn't be considered your telco's responsibility that would require police investigation. Any telco you call up and say ur line is taped is gonna think your insane or on drug's and tell you to call the police. just IMHO

[Alfa]

They are not undetectable if you know what to look for. Although they are said to be purely digital, they tend to mess up normal functions.

I fouind no negative reps calling you a liar, Fatal.

[fatal]

pinkavvy... can you please remove my quote from your post? much appreciated...

[napoleon in rags]

Hardware firewall (Cisco perferred) + Software firewall (ZoneAlarm or BlackICE) = all the protection you'll need, even from the government.

The most important thing you can do is prevent yourself from being put under suspicion. Use an encrypted e-mail service and try to keep "sensitive" correspondance to a minimum. it also helps to surf via a proxy server if you're really paranoid.

[Nagognog2]

The main problem with the government arresting people for their "private" communications on the internet - unless they are doing something that has already drawn attention (having a felony warrant and making Phucemall County fill up with meth) - is that it will become obvious to everyone that they have no privacy or security anymore. This could well lead to not only politicians being voted out of their tax-havens - but full revolution. So if you are doing nothing that is utterly criminal as a convicted criminal, your worry level should be low.

But as Alfa pointed out - Microsoft is not to be trusted at all. Billy made a smiling deal with the Feds to have a multi-billion dollar anti-trust suit be put on hold for his, maybe, performing a few favors. The rest is conjecture. But you can guess.

Once the people accept the fact that Jesus is Bush and should be allowed into your entire life - or the majority of the people agree you should be flogged to death live on Pat Robertson's 700 Klub - the goons are not going to start busting you for what you said in an email to a friend of yours. Surfing for evidnce against you on the net as grounds for an arrest warrant won't wash. Unless you pal around with people who are selling and and have criminal records. Just be careful. You'll know the day this changes: The Cattle-Cars will pull up to take half your town to a Vacation Kamp.

[genaro]

well the problem is not with beeing involved in any illegal buiseness, there's no need to be involved into anything illegal to be phone/internet taped, beeing a simple "consumer" is already a risk of beeing taped someday...I explain:
if cops are trying to bust someone called A for dug dealing, they will tap his phone & internet, without warrent as that just a good way to know who is involved, who is calling who, and such so they can finally find who is the grossist (the point is not only to bust A for drug buiseness, they first wanna know if there is anyone "bigger" behind A).
So when A calls let's say B then they add B to the phone/internet taping list. B calls C (which isn't involved in anything illegal beside common drug use), then C is taped too. C calls several friends D E F G H I J K L saying them things like "pfew I'm just back from job, do you wanna go at my home & have a smoke watching some nice movie I just bought, by the way is your brother here too?" then despite nothing "criminal" was said (and despite C never done anything illegal beside smoking some weed), they will tap all these persons just to check if they are clean (as they wonder if any of them could be more than a simple "consumer")...now unfortunately, you've never ever made any drug buiseness in your all life, but H is a friend of yours and you call him for any reason (let's say "man there's a tekno party this weekend, do you wanna come"): BAM you're taped !

That's how you find yourself phone & internet taped when you have never ever done any illegal buiseness and don't even know anyone that is doing so !


Also don't think that as you never sold anyhting to anyone cops won't bother you: I have a friend which never ever sold any drugs which I know for sure as he's a very close friend and I know him since I'm a child (he just smoke some weed occasionally), but he's a very sociable person (so is his brother) so there are always lots of friends visiting their house...the cops spent 2 years trying to bust him (arresting him almost once a week thinking they might find some evidence in his bag or in his car) as they were convinced that it couldn't be normal that he was visited by so many people so regularly, they were convinced that he was the guy supplying the all area with weed (while he never ever made any drug dealing)

So even if you never were involved in anything illegal, cops might still find any stupid reason to think your some "big mafia godfather" just because you don't have the same way of life than all these other "perfectly integrated" people who don't talk to each others, don't ask any questions, never cross any fences and keep doing the same "subway/working/sleeping" routine each day of their life just as the society taught them to do.

[snapper]

Thank god fox owns it now.
Our privacy is again secured !!

Snapper

[Alfa]

Originally Posted by snapper

Thank god fox owns it now.
Our privacy is again secured !!

Fox as in Bush his TV channel?

[genaro]

I think you can detect it: when you pick up your phone and tape a telephone number, then just before you hear the bell ringing you might hear a sound exactly similar to someone picking up the phone at the other end of the line ("clak"). I think this is a sign that there's a third line connected to yours (which is switched on each time you just finish tapping a number, and therefore you hear a "clak", it occurs right after tapping the number but just before you can hear the bell tonality in your reciever)
Swim and swim friends all noticed this strange "clak" anomaly on their phones, and this anomaly appeared at the same period for all of us...