Immunity to ecstasy?

[Crazy_Mexican]

Just the other day, SWIM bought a few X pills from a trusted dealer who does ecstasy a lot and SWIM was told the pills were very strong so he would only need to take one, maybe even half of one. Later that night, SWIM took one pill, anxious to experience the sensation of MDMA, as this would be his first time. SWIM took the pill around 7 PM, water at the ready, just chillin and waitin. Around 12 PM, SWIM did not a feel a thing, so he decided to take the second pill. SWIM stayed up all night until about 6 AM waiting for something to happen, but ultimately nothing happened, he had not experienced any of the mentioned effects, or any feeling of high at all. SWIM was wondering if some people are just not effected by it or if the pills may have just been something else completely useless.

[bloot]

One thing, SWIY should never believe the dealer.

[susana]

SWIY should ask his money back.

[Micklemouse]

This issue is not so rare, & has been discussed here before - have a look through Ecstasy experiences & Ecstasy Basics - Hints, Tips, & Safety For The New User

A couple of questions. Firstly, is your panda taking any SSRI antidepressants at the moment? SSRI's are notorious for dulling any euphoric/loved up feelings from MDMA, whilst often still retaining & sometimes accentuating the stimulant side of the drug.

Does your Panda often stay up through the night without chemical assistance? If not, then I'd suggest that the pill did indeed do something, but Panda missed the subtleties of the experience (either this or the the pill contained a good dose of amphetamine - a common enough occurrence). Others have reported this phenomenon on their first experience (A Certain Mouse being one!). Although there is the expectation that "the first one is the best", this is not always the case - A Certain Mouse didn't 'get it' until maybe his third or fourth experience (dud pills were not the reason either). Related to this, expectation can also play a part - MDMA can sometimes be something of an anticlimax, especially if the inexperienced taker is expecting fireworks. Go into the experience relaxed & with an open mind & heart & the chances of a good experience is heightened; don't try too hard to find the mind-blowing experience that is supposedly going to happen, cos it won't.

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by Micklemouse

A Certain Mouse didn't 'get it' until maybe his third or fourth experience (dud pills were not the reason either).

Not so sure if dud pills didn't play a part, but to each his own. Swim had one of the most profound experiences of his life the first time he rolled, as documented in a trip report on the forums. He can see how adulterated pills can make for a troublesome start to any initial venture with MDMA, but doesn't see how one could get good pills with a solid dose and still not feel anything, as he experienced no problem of any kind at all related to his first few MDMA experiences, which he was completely sure was with pure quality matierial. It is so hard to tell sometimes these days, what with unscrupulous dealers and all, but if you get actual MDMA in a significant dose there shouldn't be any way you don't feel it the first time, or even other times for that matter - though the magical feeling may be lost.

[Crazy_Mexican]

Originally Posted by Micklemouse

Firstly, is your panda taking any SSRI antidepressants at the moment?

The only medication SWIM is on is advair for athsma, but he has not taken it in a few days.

Originally Posted by Micklemouse

Does your Panda often stay up through the night without chemical assistance?

Yes

Originally Posted by Micklemouse

Related to this, expectation can also play a part - MDMA can sometimes be something of an anticlimax, especially if the inexperienced taker is expecting fireworks.

SWIM thought a bit about it after taking the pills, but what was really on SWIM's mind was just when to drink water, as he was informed of the dangers of heat stroke numerous times.

[RaverHippie]

One thing that has anecdotal evidence to support is to not sit around and wait for the MDMA to hit SWIY. Go about your planned activities and have fun, almost forgetting that SWIY took any substance whatsover. People mention that it takes some stimulation (fun) for MDMA to work and be as strong as it can be.

[jaffacake]

My guess is the pills were shit. The chance of you being immune to ecstasy is extremely unlikely.

[SnakePlissken]

SWIM has tried Ecstasy on three different occasions and has not received any effect. It is possible that on at least one these occasions the pills could have been bad. A good friend of SWIMs who has rolled numerous times suggested to SWIM that the next time he tried it to take one pill and then snort the other. SWIM has not tried it yet, but perhaps it will work for SWIY.

[Crazy_Mexican]

SWIM has been told by the dealer he will be given stronger pills, and SWIM will try snorting them, and then log the effects here to see if it was immunity or just bad pills, or something else similar. SWIM will try the advice of just going with it, not expecting anything, and thanks those who have offered advice.

[Nose Dive]

My Bill likes to snort pills even if it IS uncomfortable, the onset is quicker and stronger but shorter he finds. Anyway, good luck SWIY.

[rocksmokinmachine]

SWIM's advice:

Buy some marquis reagent - Take a tiny bit of the pill (just a scraping) and put a drop on. What SWIY is looking for ideally is a black, or at the least a very dark indigo, almost indistiguishable from black. This indicates a MDMA like substance (MDMA, MDA, MDEA etc.)

http://ecstasy.org/testing/db/colourchart.html

Here is a colour chart for the different substances, leave the reagent on for 60 seconds and look for the results. The site says the test is not subtle enough to distinguish between the different MDxx substances, though it can still indicate the presence of MDxx, amphetamines and 2C-x substances.

Use mandelin reagent as a cross reference, it proves useful in detecting PMA and ketamine. Mecke reagent is also useful to check for the presence of DXM and 2C-T-x substances (i.e. 2C-T-2, 2C-T-7)

Using simons reagent can detect the presence of a secondary amine with a quick reaction to dark blue (i.e. MDA or amphetamine). A reddish colour change using robadope reagent indicates the presence of a primary amine (MDA, dex-amphetamine, PMA, 2C-B, DOB or waste product from the production process.)

[Bajeda]

Snorting is certainly not the most effective way to take ecstasy tablets. The onset may be quickened, but the overall presence of effects will be diminished and the duration of the experience will be lessened. Not only do you have to snort the MDMA present in the pill - which hopefully there is - but also the binders and any adulterants as well, so if swiy is intent on going this route he should pay attention to nasal hygiene to minimize any damage occurring from this method of administration. A few rab rats I know have snorted ecstasy tablets on occasion out of curiosity or to obtain a simple 'bump' in affective disposition from rapid onset of effects, but the displeasure of snorting so much junk up ones nose (these lab rats don't care for snorting adderall either, though its a bit better knowing exactly what you are putting up there) plus the fact that these experiences never felt like a full-on roll made the lab rats quickly abandon the practice. They would tell swiy that if he is having difficultly achieving full effects, snorting the pills instead of using normal oral consumption doesn't seem like the best way to ensure optimal efficacy.

[KomodoMK]

SWIMs first time with pills was not amazing, he felt something but not truly 'high'. SWIM thinks this was because he was unsure of what to expect and was really nervous so kinda created a mental block.

The second time SWIM tried (with the same pills) he has the most amazing experience of his life, he ended up taking about 11 pills (probably strongest ones his had) over a 24 hour period on NYE 2004 and would give anything to repeat that experience. That night shaped the rest of my life.

So in my opinion, try again, go in with an open mind as someone above said and just wait for that rush.

Oh, and I don't condone taking that many pills, my eyes rolled back in my head and it was apparently quite worrying for those around me. Take it easy and listen to your body, learn what's best for you and don't follow someone else's lead.

[ddyer08]

It's possible, but very unlikely, but their is a chance... the main reason SWIM thinks their is, is because one night SWIM was rolling and had a few pills left, so SWIM gave one of his mates 1, but SWIMS mate had never ever gone near any drugs in his life, only hash... strangely SWIMS mate god hardly anything from it, just a tiny buzz.. and they effected SWIM very badly... SWIM knows alot of people who seem to be able to take e's and be fine on them... it all depends on your body, but still, I do think it's a small chance of happening... but you never know! Oh yeah and I just thought I would add, sniffing pills isn't exactly the best way to go about things... SWIM sniffed around 12 one night with a friend and honestly got absoloutley NOTHING compared to if he would of even dropped 1 or 2... Plus it blocks your nose and leaves you with a banging head for the next day or two, it's not really worthet it at all, unless it's PURE MDMA!

[rocksmokinmachine]

Originally Posted by ddyer08

it's not really worthet it at all, unless it's PURE MDMA!

Even if it is pure MDMA, oral use has a higher bioavailability.

[ddyer08]

Originally Posted by rocksmokinmachine

Even if it is pure MDMA, oral use has a higher bioavailability.

From SWIMS experiences, that is true.... SWIM didn't say oral use of MDMA wasn't better than sniffing though, he just said their is no point in sniffing pills.. unless it's pure MDMA .. But yeah... Oral use of MDMA from what SWIM has found is better than sniffing... Agreed... .

[rocksmokinmachine]

I friend of SWIM's took a 125mg capsule full of 95%+ pure MDMA and did not feel a thing. Everyone else who took it loved it, 125mg was enough for all night.

She didn't feel a thing, very very strange. Maybe there is something to this.

[KomodoMK]

I more or less agree with the above, SWIM would just end up with a load of bonders and fillers up their nose. Crystal MDMA is where it's at.

Luckily SWIM managed to source some good crystal stuff today through a friend, and has yet to try it, but his friend L tried a small amount and loved it. SWIM is excited as he has not touched MDMA for over a year. SWIM was an idiot and abused the drug and lost the magic, SWIM hopes this long period of abstinence may at least return some of that magic.

[Karlitozz]

Originally Posted by KomodoMK

Luckily SWIM managed to source some good crystal stuff today through a friend, and has yet to try it, but his friend L tried a small amount and loved it. SWIM is excited as he has not touched MDMA for over a year. SWIM was an idiot and abused the drug and lost the magic, SWIM hopes this long period of abstinence may at least return some of that magic.

My little monkey sincerely wishes you the best of luck! He himself just days ago started rolling after a year and a half of abcense, and he felt "spot on"

[desperado]

shit happens

u got scamed

[Chemically_Altered]

I'd suggest finding a different dealer, that guy stitched you up

[Micklemouse]

I'd suggest reading other people's testimonies & experiences also. No chemical is going to work the way it should for 100% of the population 100% of the time, & first time with Ecstasy can be either mind blowing,as many people's are, or banal, as A Certain Mouse's was. By the same token he has tripped with people who have got nothing from the same acid that has sent him to the heights, & vice verse.

More grist to the "Get a test-kit" mill methinks. It won't tell how good your panda's pills are, but at least it will give an indication of whether they have the desired ingredient.

[JCJC]

The idea that you took 125mg of mdma and felt nothing is just ridiculous. Unless (as someone said) you were on SSRI or some such thing this is just completely unlikely. MDMA come up is always the same, you wait and wait and wait for it, while trying not to wait, and just when you have forgotten what you are waiting for.. you are up.. and you f***ing know it.

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[rocksmokinmachine]

Originally Posted by JCJC

The idea that you took 125mg of mdma and felt nothing is just ridiculous. Unless (as someone said) you were on SSRI or some such thing this is just completely unlikely. MDMA come up is always the same, you wait and wait and wait for it, while trying not to wait, and just when you have forgotten what you are waiting for.. you are up.. and you f***ing know it.

The said person was not any any medication.

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=13223

Read other reports from respected sites. Not everyone reacts the same to the same substance. Saying so is as you put it, "just ridiculous".