Amanitas and anxiety

[Emperiorjack]

Could one possibly consume 1 gram a day of Amanitas for possible use in
treating one's anxiety disorders? Is there any long term side effects
in taking this mushrooms.

[noeticbuzz]

If you do accept that your liver and kidneys will be totally fucked.

[sunyata]

I'm curious as to how it would work against anxiety.

[serpent]

no,they wont and who knows?

[peacemaker]

you just have to compare what works less annoying for you: anxiety or schizophrenia heheheheh

[Hyperreal]

If it works for you, it works for you. There's no way to tell except to just try it.


noeticbuzz, where did you hear that they cause liver and kidney damage? Do you have anything to back this up?


Schizophrenia is a far more charming disease than anxiety

[peacemaker]

heh, schizophrenia is ona of not many states of mind I wouldn't like to try, except for one day maybe, but is it possible? but maybe it is pleasant.. similar with death, you won't know what is after it if you don't experience it. I would rather stay away from shrooms as it is some kind of mad idea to cure anxiety using them. I would rather try yoga, meditation or some therapy which isn't neurotoxical or has never caused any mental sickness to anybody.

[Hyperreal]

Again, what evidence is there that amanitas are neurotxic? I've failed to find any report of health hazards.


Yes, 'trying schizophrenia' for a while is possible: take some DMT!

[peacemaker]

hmm.. I don't know if they are neurotoxic or not but there are a few cases they caused psychosis or some other stronger or lighter mental problems. Anyway, if you get permanent visuals after shrooms, what happened to some, doesn't it explain anything about their neurotoxicity? If something alters your perception for years isn't it toxical in some way? I know a few people who feel not 100% normal after shrooms. I am not saying shrooms are bad, because they can be beautiful, fantastic, amazing, but they are not 100% healthy and neutral for our brains. They can put us into a good or bad mode, depends.

[Hyperreal]

Lasting psychological effects are different from brain damage. To answer your questions - no and no. HPPD has not been linked to brain damage, and in my opinion is something completely different, to do with your brain learning new ways of processing images; you learn 'how to hallucinate', so to speak.


Amanita muscaria is a pretty safe drug, all in all, especially 1g a day. It's an interesting experiment you propose, Emperiorjack

[peacemaker]

What's the difference if they are neurotoxical or not if they cause permanent changes anyway.

[Hyperreal]

Brain damage is undesirable. 'Permanent changes' could be good or bad.

[peacemaker]

maybe these permanent changes, even these good ones, arethe effect of brain damage ?! I heard a historyabout a guy whohad an accidentand was hit extremely hard in a head and became a mnemonist after this accident. What do you think about this?

[Hyperreal]

What do I think? I think it is extremely interesting and not yet understood by anyone.

[tweakerfrommars]

It depends on your perspective. "Brain damage" is the way any lasting psychological effects would be described by doctors or anyone who is anti-drug, while someone who is for drug use will probably see it as just a lasting effect of whatever drug was used, rather than call those effects "damage".

[noeticbuzz]

Originally Posted by Hyperreal

noeticbuzz, where did you hear that they cause liver and kidney damage? Do you have anything to back this up?

Hey man sorry about that, I haven't peaked in this thread in a long time.


I should clarify; I guess my wording of fucked was to strong and I wouldn't go so far as to say damage. From my understanding the conversion of Ibotenic acid to muscimol, in the liver puts a similar level of stress on it as alcohol consumption. Which is what I infered my initial post from.


It should be noted that dry amanita muscaria have lower amounts of ibotenic acid in them.


I am aware that amanita muscaria do not contain amatoxins or phallotoxins in them which are in 95% of the amanita family.


Take some Milkthistle it will help with the added stress from the ibotenic acid.

[psyche]

No, I don't think amanitas cause brain damage. But I do think they put some stress on youre liver, not sure where I heard of it but I'm quite sure. But it doesn't do that to a worst degree than alcohol does and I don't think it does even so much. Muscimol actually goes trough your system so well that Russian shamen drank each others pee 'cause it had very much of muscimol left.

Everyone trying amanita should also know that they should be heated at about 170 fahrenheit to convert to muscimol/destroy ibotenic acid which makes you feel sick. But I think everyone planning to try knows it. Solving dried 'shrooms to tea is a good idea since muscimol is water soluble. The tea tastes almost enjoyable, some would even like it.

[kalininin]

hm, what interests swimmy is if theres dose-enhancement per day or not. could amanita be one of the few drugs where u dont need to double n quadruple the dose in time ?apparently ayahuasca works that way [salvia maybe].
sounds good: a coupa shroom-chips a day that keep anxiety away [n xanax or other].
swim heard about daily salvia dosing to treat depression.

[OccularFantasm]

So if a swims monkey were to get such mushies, or an extract of them, vaporizing above 170 degrees will eliminate nausea? Swim would imagine the tea is useful for the same reason.

As for permanent changes, I would say that is very debatable. Any change in consciousness can be interpreted however the individual wishes. If one gets too confused for a while and has trouble sorting this out, it could be understandable, but certainly not permanent.

Swim knows that daily dosing of salvia divinorum or psilocybe mushrooms can work very well in the treatment of anxiety, depression, and psychosis, especially if coupled with some kava or cannabis, or both.

One would be very careful is he were to try that with salvia though, the reverse tolerance can inhibit day to day function if that habit becomes to frequent, however there is no downside if one can not worry about doing anything important.

The psilocybe work well because they become more and more tolerated by the body, so that after a while its just sort of a relaxing buzz and cognitive function enhancer. One may wish to supplement with 5-htp and other precursors however if one goes thought his path, as it can impair seratonin function in the long-run.

The basic reason this works is because people are capable of several different levels and forms of conciousness. Whichever an individual preforms best in, which is not always the most common one, is best for each individual. For example many people function best sober, others do better with a little bit of alcohol, or a little bit of psilocybe, or maybe coffee, or perhaps cocaine, it all depends on the individual. In dosing frequently and at low doses (1 gram), one would be gradually become accustomed to the new state of consciousness which facilitates the transition.

Swim hasn't yet tried ahayusca or amanita so those specifically swim cannot be absolutely sure, but theory suggests it may prove helpful to some, and antagonistic to others; much the same way certain people can have bad trips while others never do.

One should find it if this causes any deficiencies to occur first however, as supplementation would be able to curve most long-term side effects. Swim is not yet experienced enough with amanita or muscimol chemistry or biochemistry yet, otherwise he would know what changes occur and let swiy know. If there is a negative consequence however, in the form of a long-term side effect, it would most likely be pretty mild, and probably wouldn't occur until the substance was taken in an extremely frequent and prolonged manner. Swim is sorry he did not have more info to contribute.

[kalininin]

Originally Posted by OccularFantasm

The psilocybe work well because they become more and more tolerated by the body, so that after a while its just sort of a relaxing buzz and cognitive function enhancer. One may wish to supplement with 5-htp and other precursors however if one goes thought his path, as it can impair seratonin function in the long-run.

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swiy did that swiyself, taking psylo's daily for some time ? n how long was that ? [soarry, off topiic police!] n that relaxing buzz, was that worth it ?

[Matches]

I don't think I've ever experienced visuals when these have worked.

However, being a kind of anxious dude, when I've smoked A. muscaria; and it has had an effect, it has always been a calming one. Kind of like I just had some hard liquor, but don't experience a psychomotorical stupor or flushing at all, only clarity through a distinct feeling of tranquility.

[txern41]

matches, you said smoking am resulted in anti
anxiety effects? did you grind them first or just smoke dried mushroom? thanks

[AtomicMushRoom]

regarding long term consumption:

in this book:
Magic Mushrooms
In Religion and Alchemy

Clark Heinrich states certain "trip" report:
that (he i think) and one his friend stayed in some cottage for like a month, eating amanita muscaria every day to get "ultimate" experience for them.

Not sure how much, and if some damage occured though.
Interesting is that the experience occured, but after the whole month, when they decided to drink own urine.. must had been pure nectar . It was almost immediate... weeeee

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