codeine for oxycontin withdrawal

[hail the poppy]

SWIM is wired to oxy's. about 5-10 80mg pills a day by main-line. SWIM has learned to extract codeine from otc 222's. SWIM is wondering if enough codeine will straightewn him out or will it just hurt SWIM'S guts? SWIM is trying to kick the oxycontin's!

[bloot]

edit: I was asking if I was correct, not being surprised. Sometimes people mess up their numbers.

[Orchid_Suspiria]

At one time swim would have said maybe this isn't a good idea but it might be a far better maintenance opiate than methadone.Afterall using methadone to get off oxy would probably just be creating a newer and bigger problem.

[hail the poppy]

800mg of oxycontin is really not alot of dope to an addict. the question remains:How much codeine to straighten SWIM out or is it even possible?

[DiMethylTon]

I overheard a conversation between two opiate dependent persons discussing the merits of alternative opiate/opioids instead of buprenorphine or methadone.

Codeine was mentioned, due to the relative ease at which it can be acquired OTC...well for awhile, that is. Codeine helped one of those people lower their dependence level over a long time frame of 2 years. They had to dose an absolute minimum 2 times a day at 600mg, the 'ceiling' dose; at which any more taken in the next 6-8 hours doesn't feel half as strong as the dose beforehand and only caused a strong sensation of dis ease and extreme somnolence. The cravings for a better quality and more fulfilling high were ever constant and nagging. The codeine addict said that he spent half his weekly pay and most of his spare time driving around to a total of 37 pharmacies on a well planned schedule to avoid suspicion, but this only lasted for so long the man said. He wasn't prepared to pay obscene internet prices for codeine tablets when the discount pharmacies were the best and sold packs of 96 x Paracetamol 500mg/Codeine Phosphate 10mg, he always tried to get 3 of these packs a day.

Still eavesdropping I overheard him saying he was confronted one hot new years eve by a nerdy acne covered young punk pharmacist who decided to tell him that he can no longer buy anything from his pharmacy that had codeine in it. After two years of avoiding questioning and an ever increasing amount of knowing looks by 'concerned' pharmacists and their assistants, he gladly went back on buprenorphine, but never methadone, he said. He called it poison and said that although bupe is not far from it, it is the only alternative for him now. I heard him say codeine just doesn't cut it and isn't worth the hassle after being on a 1 year daily dose of buprenorphine at 14mg prior. Before that, he often took oxycodone at up to 440mg per day and had intermittent times of codeine use at doses up to 2000mg per day for months on end; subsequently he has had varying levels of tolerance and dependence over the years. One final remark was that the constipation with codeine is a real pain in the ass, literally. Works for awhile but is quite stressful on the heart too.

[hail the poppy]

Swim lives in Canada so Swim would have no "heat" aquiring thousands of tabs. only 8 dollars for 200 tabs. he has been taking approx. 200-300mg doses of codeine but all that does is take the shivers and skin crawlies away. it sounds like if Swim takes 600-800mg it just might do it. thanx all.

[DiMethylTon]

Originally Posted by hail the poppy

Swim lives in Canada so Swim would have no "heat" aquiring thousands of tabs. only 8 dollars for 200 tabs. he has been taking approx. 200-300mg doses of codeine but all that does is take the shivers and skin crawlies away. it sounds like if Swim takes 600-800mg it just might do it. thanx all.

It gets damn tiring for a person to maintain this for so long, particularly if he has a job. Cold water extraction is a must if the liver and kidneys are valued. This old man I overheard, while on his own personal codeine 'program', gained 30kg's of fluid throughout his body, he developed anemia, sleep apnoea, severe indigestion and also the will to live. Plus he suffered constipation on a grand scale that only becoming regularly dopesick could beat.

Best wishes to swiy.

[samuraigecko]

Originally Posted by hail the poppy

Swim lives in Canada so Swim would have no "heat" aquiring thousands of tabs. only 8 dollars for 200 tabs. he has been taking approx. 200-300mg doses of codeine but all that does is take the shivers and skin crawlies away. it sounds like if Swim takes 600-800mg it just might do it. thanx all.

no price discussion please. read the >>>>> RULES

now to the subject . . . 800mg of Oxycontin is a lot per day for any addict. considering that it is estimated to be 1.5 to 2 times the potency of morphine (depending on bioavailability factors etc) this would mean an approximate equivalence of up to 1600mg (1.6 grams pure morphine) per day. This is a pretty damn good intake for an addict. SWIM is/was an Oxy/opiate/anything opioid addict himself and is just on the tail end of WD now.

Taking into account that street Heroin has anywhere from 30 to 60 percent purity (so we will base the number on 50 just for convenience of SWIM not wanting to do maths right now) then that would be the maximum equivalent of 3.2 grams of street Hammer.

That is a pretty wild habit.

Since Codeine has a ceiling effect at 400mg or so SWIM is not sure that (if what SWIyou say is true about SWIyour addiction) that codeine would be strong enough even at 400mg to stop SWIyou from getting dopesick etc.

One would recommend an EXTREME amount of will power and lowering SWIyour Oxy intake every few days or so.

Example: every 3 days, take one less Oxy 80 than SWIyou normally would.

Its gonna SUCK, but the willpower factor is all a part of it. Tolerance drops fairly sharply with Oxycontin because it only has a half life of 6.5 hours on average.

If SWIyou would like to change the example a little then by all means do. take half of one Oxy less every 3 days or so because at the tolerance level SWIyou are on now . . . . 400mg Codeine is not gonna help much.

When SWIyou make it down to about one Oxy per day . . then the codeine idea may work. However . . . SWIM has found that he can taper Oxycodone rather easily on its own. By the time he starts his WD cycle (which he does each year and SWIyou can read about HERE) he is taking 10mg per night for a few nights just to take the edge off, then drops to 5mg before dropping off all together. It is good to have some benzo's on hand at this time but be careful not to replace one addiction with another as the benzo's are addictive too.

Hope some of this has been of help

[hail the poppy]

swiy is sounding like he knows his stuff and swim apreciates the insight. swim had no clue that oxy was a stronger opiate than morphine and for a good reason which brings swim to want to hear swiy's opinion.

Swim just assumed that morphine was stronger because swim has kicked MANY opiate habits over the yrs. Finding methadone to be the worst to kick then m.s.contin then dilaudid then oxy. The sickness from the m.s. contin (morphine) Swim found it almost equel to the methadone to kick cold! However dopesick from oxycontins is a cake-walk in comparison. swim thought that was cuz different strenghts of opiates the sicker one gets. Clearly not the case. So why so violantly sick from the mojo??

[samuraigecko]

The reason SWIyou probably found it easier to kick is because SWIyour body already knew what it was in for by then, which is a good thing. This means that SWIyour body may already be conditioned to do the same type of WD that SWIM does.

SWIM does agree that Oxy addiction alone doesnt last as long, although the pain and suffering can be quite intense. The reason for this is Oxycodone has a rather short half life. Having a shorter half life means that the drug is completely out of the body quicker and WD will usually correspond to this accordingly.

Hope this has helped