Alcohol + Ritalin + Marijuana

[Reheneme]

Ok, so SWIM had his first attempt on the ritalin this saturday. He swallowed the pill after 9 beers, and then joined in on... SWIM sais 4 joints, but it's very likely that it was more then that.

Now SWIM's point in this is: is this a bad fucking mix?

He felt awesome for he doesn't know how many hours, but SWIM thinks he popped the pill around 9-10ish at night (oh yeah, it was a NVR R40) it kicked in after approximately 30 minutes. Hard to tell due to all the marijuana and alcohol he consumed.

Midnight SWIM went to the city to party, where he stayed for 3 hours, maybe drinking 2-3 more beers, and he felt the same awesome euphoria-speedlike way.

SWIM got home at 4 in the morning, but couldn't sleep, and felt severe insomnia. He actually brought a meatcleaver and a maglight with him in bed, just for safety reasons. SWIM didn't catch any sleep that night, and his heartrate was rapid, but not constantly, it was up and down.

So let's say SWIM felt the high for 9-12 hours. The insomnia came as he went to bed, no sooner, but just at that moment.

That was SWIM's experience with ritalin 40mg, but he also wants to know if that is a too large dose to start with, as he has been doing speed several times, and always ended up snorting a good lot, and not feeling as altered as he did from this single ritalin.

[staples]

Originally Posted by Reheneme

Now SWIM's point in this is: is this a bad fucking mix?

From what I understand, mixing uppers and downers is generally considered a bad thing because it makes it easy to underestimate the effects of the downer and reach a dangerous dosage. It might also work the other way, but I think it's easier to reach alcohol poisoning or pulmonary arrest than to reach cardiac arrest from common pharmacuetical uppers?

From what you posted, it sounds like, for the most part, SWIY stopped drinking after taking methylphenidate with the exception of a few drinks several hours later, which doesn't seem like much of a concern to me.

I don't think the relevant pharmacological effects of THC should be too dissimilar for alcohol, I would think the GABAeric effects would be most important here, but I really don't know much about weed, so someone else might have a better answer here...

Originally Posted by Reheneme

SWIM got home at 4 in the morning, but couldn't sleep, and felt severe insomnia. He actually brought a meatcleaver and a maglight with him in bed, just for safety reasons.

Is it safe to sleep with a knife? what was SWIY afraid of? I'd imagine it'd be difficult to fall asleep if SWIY doesn't even feel safe??

Originally Posted by Reheneme

SWIM didn't catch any sleep that night, and his heartrate was rapid, but not constantly, it was up and down.

That's just hard to diagnose, considering the mixture of substances affecting the heart rate there...

Originally Posted by Reheneme

So let's say SWIM felt the high for 9-12 hours. The insomnia came as he went to bed, no sooner, but just at that moment.

So he would've been able to fall asleep if he tried a minute earlier?

Originally Posted by Reheneme

That was SWIM's experience with ritalin 40mg, but he also wants to know if that is a too large dose to start with

Neither SWIM nor I would advise starting that high for the first time using methylphenidate for studying or recreation. Mostly, if SWIY finds himself taking methylphenidate without the other substances, he should probably start with a lower dose at first, as they might have suppressed some of the effectiveness and 40mg by itself could be too strong.

[highganja99]

OK, Swim Says Ritalin + Weed don't Mix well generally, as don't Alcohol + MJ, again YMMV.

Ritalin can go either way with alcohol in people, SWIM finds this combo sometimes pleasurable, other times not so, but never equating to a total trainwreck.

Alcohol + Ritalin when only moderate alcohol is consumed seems to accentuate both initially then Rtialin takes over.

Binge/Session/High Alcohol intake with Ritalin causes a synergistic effect of drunkeness coupled with clarity of thought and mind.

Moderate Alcohol intake and the dose SWIY described of Ritalin has a likelyhood of ending up with insomnia and paranoia.

Weed + Ritalin Oral is normally not that different to the exp of weed alone, some clarity and hyperness may be felt within the first 30 mins which fades into an body stone, an mildly more intense ganja high.

Weed + Ritalin Insufflated can be a disaster(for some), normally when Rit is taken prior to smoking. dizziness, loss of orientation, confusion and dysphoria are likely but not certain. on this note it is advisable to steer clear of cigarettes after dosing if possible, although it may be to tempting to resist.

Weed + Alcohol - worst outcome is nausea and vomiting, etc.

Combining the three is asking for trouble in some people's opinion, the mixture of methylphenidate and ethanol in the stomach yields ethylphenidate, this has a more potent effect on dopamine reuptake inhibition than Ritalin, add weed to the equation and you could be in for a bumpy ride, all the dopamine is flooding in then weed breaks down the floodgates, intense dysphoria - being so high that it feels as being low, co-ordination is shot, verbal communication is a lot of effort, movement is slow and impaired, feels heavy, generally a feeling of being wasted in a way you never thought was possible, you just learnt what being totally wasted means. but wait there are things to help minimise discomfort, switch off that music with the bass kicking you in the head without pause. try sipping water, if it feels like ou shouldnt drink water, dont. get to a quite place if needs be. a bedroom would be great, lights off if preferable, try to sleep it off. using benzos or anything else is probably not a great idea, your at a point where adding anything else is pointless. ride it out alone if you can, in peaceful quiet, close your eyes, control breathing, relax.

the next day there will be a hangover, severity is variable, take some paracetamol (ACETAMINOPHEN) or Ibuprofen, a glass of water, try to sleep, this is when the benzo's will be best put to use.

what a waffle on but hopefully helpful.