impurities in piperazine

[headstrong]

Swim has bought pipperazine from 2 different vendor in the net. He doesn't like it,toxic feeling-his mouth taste bad like after exposure by hot water and he felt tired when coming down and a day after take it(orally). So he used it to practising A-B reaction. He found some strange substance;

1.mBZP from MOD EDIT! DONT EVEN HINT AT SOURCES!!!. 99%
100g mBZP,basify,when the ph reach around 12,there was light brown oil float,didn't dissolved(or slightly) in Naptha,slightly dissolved in Xylene. He isolated it,around 60 ml,ph=11. He took it in a flask,closed,after around 2 days it started crystallizing,now have been 2 week-about half volume become crystal. When burn on foil it smell bad,rather like plastic,after smelt it his mouth tasted bad like he mention above. After A-B reaction,tone wash,the yield around 13g,but it was not single substance,there 2 substances-one was easy to evaporated and the other was more difficult. Swim and his friends smooked it several times by water bong,it was nice without toxic felling.

2.product named E****** B*** from MOD EDIT! DONT EVEN HINT AT SOURCES!!!, 99,8 % contains;200mg BZP,200mg meopp,50mg pfpp and some ginger.
In A-B reaction,when extracted by naptha the yield was white crystall with some oil/fat,after tone wash it was nice to smooke (it's taste still harsh since pipperazines have high melting point compare to meth),the effect was nice when combined with xtc. Without toxic feeling. Extracted by Xylene,the yield was brownish,when boiled in IPA the color become dark red. SWIM tried to freeze the dark red IPA solution,hope it will recrystallizing,but it wasn't happened,some gel appeared that made the crystal couldn't form. Swim tried to hot it again,some little explosion happened. He did A-B reaction once again and tone wash-the yield was white clean crystal. IS anyIY know what substance is that? He don't take it orally yet,he still loose his appetite on ppz,next week maybe.

Swim think that anyIY must be careful,pipperazine could be not as pure as the vendor say. It's a good idea if Swim test it before. Many thanks to this forum that safe Swim from take strange substance.

Reputation Comments on this post:

	Thanks for this. The English is a bit rough and as the mod said, no sources, but thanks for sharing the info.
	You were told to not even hint at sources in this OP

[0utrider]

but isnt mbzp and bzp not the same thing?

[headstrong]

The effects of MBZP are very similar to those of BZP, but is more euphoric and it seems to have less of a tendency to cause negative side effects such as headaches and nausea.

Similar like amphetamine and Methampetamine,but in this case mBZP is a weak BZP.

[0utrider]

well but the difference is prolly the legal status (if not in the us due to analogues act, but in europe, as more n more countires illegalize it, recently germany)..

[headstrong]

1-Methyl-4-benzylpiperazine/mBZP
Systematic (IUPAC) name 1-methyl-4-(phenylmethyl)piperazine Identifiers CAS number 374898-00-7 ATC code ? PubChem 763557 Chemical data Formula C12H18N2 Mol. mass 190.294 g/mol Pharmacokinetic data Bioavailability ? Metabolism hepatic Half life ? Excretion renal Therapeutic considerations Pregnancy cat. ?
Legal status
Routes oral

MBZP (1-methyl-4-benzylpiperazine) is a stimulant drug which is a derivative of benzylpiperazine. MBZP has been sold as an ingredient in legal recreational drugs known as "Party pills", initially in New Zealand and subsequently in other countries around the world.


Benzylpiperazine
Systematic (IUPAC) name 1-benzylpiperazine Identifiers CAS number 2759-28-6 ATC code ? PubChem 75994 Chemical data Formula C11H16N2 Mol. mass 176.258 g/mol Pharmacokinetic data Bioavailability ? Metabolism hepatic Half life ? Excretion renal Therapeutic considerations Pregnancy cat. ?
Legal status DEA Schedule 1 drug; legal in some countries
Routes oral, intravenous, insufflation.

Swim only took BZP combined with other pipperazine,never tried BZP on it's own,so he can't compare to tell you what is the difference between BZP and mBZP.

[headstrong]

2.info about mBZP impurities;

It's the picture of 850 g "raw mBZP" free base (top layer),in 6 l plastic bottle.
Raw mBZP is white powder,but after disollved in water the color is brownish and after basify the color of mBZP free base is brown.

Impurities;
-brown oil that undissolve in Naptha (after basify)
-decomposed of mBZP, mBZP will decompose in low temperature,around 90c ,not sure how many degree exactly.
-other impurities.

How to purify;
acetone soak,A/B reaction,and then acetone soak,re-x. Keep in low temp.

The difference effect (100 mg - 200 mg orally);
-raw mBZP without any purification;highly toxic feeling;his mouth taste like after exposure by hot water,feel strange at some part of his body,very tired after come down and a day after.
-after A/B (without tone soak after A/B);smooking a cigarette taste bad.
-proper purification;no toxic feeling

[headstrong]

3.impurities in TMFPP and MCPP;

Raw TMFPP is the cleanest Ppz that came to him,looked white and the crystal is bigger compare to raw MBZP and MCPP.
Raw MCPP color is brown and not homogen.

Look at the picture from left to right;

Pict no 1 is the color of TMFPP and MCPP in around 25 ml water (after 2x soak in tone).

Pict no 2; MCPP (after 2x soak in tone) in A/B reaction,some brown oil sink in the bottom,very dirty.
MCPP will form an emultion when dissolve in IPA.

Pict no 3; the color of MBZP crystal, TMFPP and MCPP after proper purification. Sorry,the picture are not good:MBZP is white crystall,TMFPP clear cristal,MCPP brownish much more pale than raw MCPP. MCPP is look like powder than crystal.

How to purify;
Same like MBZP

The difference effect;

-MCPP; he don't want to take it,if Swiy ever purify it Swiy will know why he ....

-100 mg MBZP + 50 mg TMFPP,orally;
Raw MBZP + raw TMFPP;highly toxic like he mention above.
Pure MBZP + TMFPP (tone boil and soak without A/B reaction);smooking a cigarette taste bad.
Pure MBZP + pure TMFPP; no toxic felling. Nausea but not disturb. Nice when combine with XTC pills.

4.If a Vendor say; Pipperazine effect nausea because they are base,so drink orange juice to make it neutral....
Weak base + strong acid (HCl) -> weak acid
Be careful;it's mean the vendor's product is contain many impurities or the vendor is IDIOT!

[headstrong]

Originally Posted by outriderx

well mbzp is also legal at SWIMs place (not bzp though) but he doesnt really trust in rodering from *** because of customs trouble.. many times they dont even know their own laws..

Sorry for delaying,he didn't saw Swiy's reply. Yes swiy right about it,they sent that product with fake declaration;"L-Tryptopan sample". They are not a big company as they said.

[0utrider]

what, the bzp or the mbzp?? is it legal in SWIY country? SWIM would actually like that, since it - either way - reduces possible troubles, if its correctly declared (all custom papers etc) as trypto

[radiometer]

Surely there must be a way in which this information could be presented, and these questions asked, without constantly referring to vendors, etc.?

My take:

If I had bought a bunch of chemicals from persons unknown 1/2 way around the world, which were sent mislabelled on purpose, and which made me sick, you can bet your ass they would end up in the toilet where they belong.

If one is talking large quantities (I saw Kg mentioned) and large investments, then one would be wise to take the time and effort of having the material analyzed. One could easily arrange to have a sample tested by ecstasydata.org, for example.

[headstrong]

Originally Posted by outriderx

what, the bzp or the mbzp?? is it legal in SWIY country? SWIM would actually like that, since it - either way - reduces possible troubles, if its correctly declared (all custom papers etc) as trypto

That's mBZP. He bought only 1 kg of mBZP from that vendor and other from different Vendor. He has posted before but may be delete by mod. He don't know if country of vendor is a hint at sources, sorry about that. He has checked all his post in this threads, and has edit thread no 8 to delete vendor country, all are clean now.

[0utrider]

as far as i know stating the country is allowed here

[headstrong]

It will out of topic....but he get "red square" and a warning;

You were told to not even hint at sources in this OP

Hope mod would pm him about it, just wanna know where he wrong. Or may be there's anything that he don't know about it.

[0utrider]

does SWIY now a simple way to purify bzp from ascorbic acid? or could he describe the process more detailed?

[headstrong]

Hello SwiO! Sorry, for a week SwiHS didn't go to this forum. He has data about ascorbic acid below.

Ascorbic Acid: White or slightly yellow crystals or powder. On exposure to light it gradually darkens. In the dry state, is reasonably stable in air, but in solution rapidly oxidizes. Melts at about 190. Freely soluble in water; sparingly soluble in alcohol; insoluble in chloroform, in ether, and in benzene. NF category: Antioxidant.

He never work with it, but look from the solubility;
1. A/B
2. Alcohol (dry) extraction, fridge, filter, just like "cold water extraction" SwiO posted, will work.

Dunno how the solubility in tone.