Culture - POLL: Favorite opiate and why

[samuraigecko]

SWIMMERS please post here SWIyour favorite opiate and a good description of why. There is a limitless poll attached to this which will contain the most common opiates and an option for "other" in which SWIyou can make a reply here in the thread telling what it is and why.

this is for a statistical view for SWIeveryones enjoyment.

SWIM chose opium because he finds something timeless and elegant about it. When done right opium (as CFO) can be right up there in potency with other high level designer opiates in his opinion. Also another reason for his choosing this is because of its ease of use and obtainability. After all, everyone can grow a plant.

Remember these are just opinions, please do not question someone about their opinion in a negative way.


Thanks

[ironmics]

I picked opium, because my friend tells me that it's a lot more comfy and controlled feeling than some of the others. It was hard for him to explain, but he was very sure he liked it more than. He also agreed that it was very easy to get and has a lot less of a stigma surrounding it. He has never tried oxymorphone, heroin, or fentanyl though.

Also, oddly enough he enjoys some tramadol once in a while.

[Metomni]

SWIM voted morphine because the only opiates he has experience with are morphine and oxycodone. A few years ago he broke his femur in half and was hospitilized for nine days. He got enough morphine that it was all worth it. Nothing too bad came out of the experience, but he got to go on a nine day binge where a dose was administered by simply pushing that little red button every six minutes. It was fantastic. Oxycodone is also great, but no where even close to what dose after dose of IV'ed morphine is, oh man, the memories.

SWIM is very interested in opium, he would not be surprised if he likes it more than morphine, but for now, he has only smoked opium once and he doesn't really remember it as he was already on many other psychedelics. Hydromorphone also sounds absolutely splendid, but from what SWIM can tell, it's very hard to get a hold of.

[Smokeycat]

New here to posting, but have been visiting site for a while now. Excellent information. Cat's personal favorite(s): For pain, 10/325 Percocets with a soma. One has a pretty good tolerance though and recommended dose and actual dose may vary. Doc is one of those who doesn't like OXY for some reason, yet will give plenty of percs....? For rec use, SWIM enjoys poppy pods and am discovering all sorts of new ways to use them. As soon as the new shipment arrives, will try once again to make the flake. Have had limited success with it but it seems promising. Would be verying interested in the Calcium conversion, but wonders what to do with the product after it's made? Any ideas? Smoking? Eating? Converting it farther? Any help would be great......Sorry getting off topic.....

#1 is Oxy's
#2 would be percs
#3 would be poppy concoctions

Thanks SC

[HomerK]

Swim has tried Opium, Hydrocodone, Oxycodone, Codeine, Morphine, and Dextropropoxyphene. Out of all of these, insufflated OxyContin (oxycodone) is by far Swim's favorite. Not very long lasting, but one hell of a high. Second to that is opium in a tea preparation. The long lasting buzz off of that is amazing.

[samuraigecko]

MMM . . .
so far Oxycodone closely followed by Heroin. . .
No wonder they call it "Hillbilly Heroin"

Cheers.

[Smokeycat]

Originally Posted by samuraigecko

MMM . . .
so far Oxycodone closely followed by Heroin. . .
No wonder they call it "Hillbilly Heroin"

Cheers.

And if you knew me and the area I was from, that would make your assumption that much more valid

I think it's because of the great things it can do without the dangerous things it doesn't do because of such controlled dosages. Not saying it doesn't have it's problems, especially with non-experienced, younger users, but for someone like my cat, whose been to the vet so many times the past few years getting himself put back together, heavy usuage of Oxycodone and it's various forms have become a must, some days just to even bear sunlight. He would admit that some days have been very pain free, and he just enjoys the over-all wellness of it, as well as that of poppy's, but then again, unless he is smoking o and just making tea's, there again is the controlled dosage issues...........

[fiveleggedrat]

Swim has tasted tramadol, oxycodone, hydrocodone, hydromorphone, and only a teensy bit of herion. Swim didn't get enough to get more than a buzz though.

Swim's fav is the hydromorphone, by far, with tramadol, and then oxy. Hydrocodone was too mild, and swim avoids heroin for fear of addiction and throwing up. Swim can get it for wholesale prices, and Swim fears that it will make it a nice candidate to get stuck on for that reason. Seen too many people fall to the big H. It is ten times harder to get any opiates for swim, save tramadol. Swim has been actively searching for oxycontins (to save the hassle of cwe'ing percocets) for months, no luck. Just got robbed once

[Matt The Funk]

Hydrocodone. It has the best effect on SWIM, and is his favorite. He's tried most of the substances on the list at medium-high dosages and still likes hydro the most. To him they are the most euphoric and best feeling of all opiates. Also the most comfortable.

[OhCasey]

For swim its not even close, its fentanyl. Its so much cleaner and the nod on fent taken sublingualy or buccally is unlike anyother. I didnt expect it to place high in this poll just because its not one of the more popular prescribed opiates but for Swim especially its no contest.

[Dead Head Altair]

SWIM's favorite is probably oxycodone. The euphoria and the nod it provides haven't been beaten yet, although SWIM hasn't tried heroin or morphine. Plus, it provides killer analgesia.

[samuraigecko]

The graph is starting to show a great trend in what peoples favorites are. This is probably also reflected by the availability of the opiate / opioid in question of course. A fair number of people are reporting great euphoria and analgesia from Oxycodone (SWIM personally agrees though he is still in his forced dry spell at the moment) there is no doubt that fentanyl produces awesome euphoria and analgesia but because of its "hard to get" status in most places it probably wont become a high statistic, SWIM does agree that it beats Oxycodone though even though his personal preference is for Oxycodone because he sometimes found fentanyl to be TOO intense (but thats just his opinion).

not all opiates / opioids are there of course but the most common ones are, if SWIyour favorite is not there feel free to mention it.

Personally SWIM has tried all of the opiates / opioids listed there except for hydrocodone hopefully he will be able to find some one day to give it a go.

Peace

[Smokeycat]

Originally Posted by samuraigecko

Personally SWIM has tried all of the opiates / opioids listed there except for hydrocodone hopefully he will be able to find some one day to give it a go.

Peace

One would not go out of their way to get that if Oxycodone or better yet, CFO is available. Hydrocodone is nothing more than Codeine on Steroids SWIM feels, although he would use it if it were available if nothing else was. And the dry-spell must be going on everywhere....what's happened is that too many un-informed and irresponsible users have done stupid things either with the drug, or trying to obtain them, and have ruined it for the rest of the population who can and do use it responsibly. A doc of SWIM has even told him that he doesn't like to write it any more even though swim is recovering from a very major surgery because he hates to see it fall in the wrong hands......what a shame......

Felines do like to live without too much pain, and like it even more to get the warm glow that opiates offer when doses are sometimes exceeded. SWIM feels that some people are lacking something in their brain chemistry that does not allow natural endorphines to work properly and when that type of person takes opiates, they actually feel and function normally. SWIM knows that if his friend were to take one percocet that they would be sleeping the night away....The cat can take it in loads and feels wonderfully and can function greatly.....................................SC

[d1ce]

SWIM finds oxycodone his favorite although he is far from an experienced opiate user. SWIM was under the impression that oxy, vic/hydro, other opiates excluding morph, tram, and h all are the same thing chemically; is this true? And if not, what are the differences? Sorry to go off topic but this is very interesting.

[Ididnotinhale]

I see that heroin is not nearly as popular as the other painkillers, does anyone think that this may be because many of the users have not tried heroin?

[Smokeycat]

Originally Posted by yowhatupU

I see that heroin is not nearly as popular as the other painkillers, does anyone think that this may be because many of the users have not tried heroin?

Some people are hesitant to try it because of the media portrayal of 'junkies' and how their lives are. And to a degree, it's true....granted, some have lost everything because of prescription pain-killer abuse, but this SWIM believes that pharmacuticals are easier to control when it comes to dosage. One may buy a bag of heroin and it's 30%pure, and do the entire bag in one shot, get accustomed to doing that for a few weeks, and then get some that is 85% pure, try the whole bag, and then od.

This cat has enjoyed 'h' on various occassions and loved it, but other substances seemed so much more mangable. SWIM knows quite a few people who picked up habits and it completely destroyed their lives, and then others who could use in moderation, or every once in a while with great success.....depends on the individual and the dope. With pharmacuticals, the dose is so much more easily distinguished, but again, SWIM knows some who've gone down the tubes just taking Tylenol 3, while others, including himself can do lots harder things with success(as compared to what he isn't sure)..........

He thinks the stignatism attached to heroin use may keep some from either using it, or admitting to using it......

[Blyss]

SWIM loves Hydrocodone more than fish love water. SWIM is prescribed hydrocodone for a legitimate back condition. SWIM's back hurts unbelievably sometimes and SWIM takes great comfort in knowing that not only can that pain be attenuated, it also makes SWIM feel superbly blissful. SWIM gets to go from -10 to +10 on the mood scale in the course of an hour, and he doesn't fall back down for a good while even with no more dosing. SWIM has had limited opiate experience because he just can't imagine anything better, and is honestly scared if he found something better he'd be forever lost to it. SWIM was placed on morphine sulfate pills for this same condition and they actually helped LESS with the pain, in addition to making SWIM feel drugged. SWIM knows there is a difference between being drugged and being euphoric. SWIM likes euphoria and dislikes being drugged. So SWIM requested to be taken off of MS Contin and placed back on Lortab. SWIM's doctor seemed surprised but agreed. SWIM also managed to get some tramadol once when hydrocodone wasn't available. SWIM thinks tramadol is a pleasant substance but doesn't even come close to the bliss of a night of hydrocodone. SWIM also came across a 20mg Oxycontin once. SWIM never took it. Some might question SWIM on that decision, but he thinks it was for the best.

[samuraigecko]

Originally Posted by Smokeycat

One would not go out of their way to get that if Oxycodone or better yet, CFO is available. Hydrocodone is nothing more than Codeine on Steroids SWIM feels, although he would use it if it were available if nothing else was.

SWIY misunderstands, SWIM would just try it if available because he hasnt had it yet.

Originally Posted by steve--

And the dry-spell must be going on everywhere....

This is a forced dry spell SWIM does every year. SWIY can read about it in the recovery and addiction section.

Originally Posted by steve--

SWIM feels that some people are lacking something in their brain chemistry that does not allow natural endorphines to work properly and when that type of person takes opiates, they actually feel and function normally.

Agreed, SWIM also believes that some peoples may not be strong enough to do what SWIM does every year even though he believes that they have the capacity to do so if their will is as strong as their convictions.

SWIM believes that no person should live with opiates for their whole life unless the person is terminal and has pain that will NEVER go away until death. This is why SWIM forces a dry spell on himself every year. To clear his head and purge his body and to reset his tolerance so that taking opiates can be fun again.

SWIMs basic motto on this is -

"taking drugs for recreational purposes is fun, when it stops being fun and becomes a full time job then something is seriously wrong"

This is just SWIMs opinion,
Peace.

[e-spacecadet]

quote=Smokeycat;387055]Some people are hesitant to try it because of the media portrayal of 'junkies' and how their lives are. And to a degree, it's true....[/quote]

Swim agrees. Also, there are many people who use Rx opiates exclusively because they are just so available & widespread. They're everywhere. Kids can easily carry an official little 'prescribed happy bottle' around, even in school, and easily pop 'em and share with friends. It's very easy to use, right out in the open, and totally acceptable. It's just the 'abuse' that's not.

With h it's often (not always) involving shady people with good connections. Driving miles to meet dealers (sometimes strangers) in weird places. Standing around, trying to not look suspicious or get hassled by police. Then there's the 'where do we use part'. Do they go to the scuzzy public bathroom? or go by a friends apt? Then there's the needles (acquiring them, health risks) - or prep'g your foil. Either way, one has to hide to use. Then there's the costs. H is never found in a friend's g-ma's med cabinet, or pulled from the trash. Often scripts are free (via insurance), and pills are given away. Swims never seen this with heroin.
With that said, h is swims fav and swim is one of those Smokeycat ref'd to in a proir post about being endophin-deficient. Swim feels nice and balanced by opiates. No anti-anxiety drug or anti-depressant can compare. Where they make you spacey, amp'd, drained, scared - bad... O's make swim feel so normal, but better.

[samuraigecko]

Originally Posted by e-spacecadet

. . . . H is never found in a friend's g-ma's med cabinet, or pulled from the trash. . . .

SWIY shouldn't be so sure on that, SWIM has seen some rather funny hiding places that would surprise even the most tricky of people. Quite often the best place to hide something is in plain sight.

Even with the dealers SWIM once knew. They did a fair amount of their dealing in crowded places such as supermarket car parks etc so that there were far too many things and people to look at other than them. Attention is often diverted in places like that, If someone was on their own in a back alley they are instantly suspicious but if they are in a crowd of people whom are going about their daily lives they are often not noticed at all.

[e-spacecadet]

Originally Posted by samuraigecko

Quite often the best place to hide something is in plain sight.
They (dealers) did a fair amount of their dealing in crowded places...

Yes, swim was not saying drugs aren't put in such places, but that the average grandmother doesn't posess a bag of dope with a syringe and burnt spoon in her home. She very often does have choice pharma's just sitting around like a plate of cookies, waiting for an interested party to sample (or binge on). Swim could write a book on this topic, having been a raging dope fiend while working in home health care at the same time, but has no desire to.

Many people do often cop at a grocery lot, Burger King (asian mkts, lesbian bookstores, & mexican restaurants work too)... But in swim's point, having to go places one's never been is weird. It's unfamiliar & uncomfortable to say the least. One's try'g to appear normal, while waiting to break the law at some place one may not ever visit otherwise.
Swim's just saying why heroin (and opium) probably isn't more popular on this poll. Pills are just typically a neater, easier get.
If herion and opium were prescribed for post-surgical & cancer pain, we'd see a different response here... and world. Ya know?

Originally Posted by Blyss

SWIM loves Hydrocodone more than fish love water. SWIM requested to be taken off of MS Contin and placed back on Lortab.

Swim finds this makes perfect sense. Strong opiates like MS are more likely to shut down your endorphins. With hydro, or even oxy in smaller doses (percs), it's easier to strike a balance with analgesia and fun. One can use them in moderation, get a nice little blast of O's to the receptors and feel high, but also have their own endorphins working and so they get excellent pain releif.

[samuraigecko]

For some reason this does not make sense to SWIM.
Lets work from 60mg of Morphine sulphate.
An equianalgesic dosage of hydrocodone is 30mg
An equianalgesic dosage of Ocycodone is 20mg
All equianalgesic dosages quoted are delivered PO.

This would mean that Hydrocodone is 2x the strength of Morphine sulphate and Oxycodone would be 3x the strength of Morphine sulphate when delivered PO.

One would be inclined to think that a more potent opioid would also be more potent against endomorphin production (the specific endorphin which opioids end up inhibiting after continued long term use). So MScontin would have less of an affinity for shutting down said endorphin production than its relative and more potent counterparts in equianalgesic dosages.

Going back on the hydrocodone would make sense for the fact that it is stronger than MS per mg but then one has to contend with the APAP content of lortab. SWIM believes he read somewhere that Hydrocodone is not available without APAP in the U.S. but is available as a single entity in other countries as DICODID.

Hope this has helped

[Blyss]

Originally Posted by samuraigecko

Going back on the hydrocodone would make sense for the fact that it is stronger than MS per mg but then one has to contend with the APAP content of lortab. SWIM believes he read somewhere that Hydrocodone is not available without APAP in the U.S. but is available as a single entity in other countries as DICODID.

Hope this has helped

SWIM thinks that is why the MS Contin did not do nearly as much to control his pain as hydrocodone. SWIM was switched from being prescribed 30mg of hydrocodone a day to 10 mg of MS Contin. Still, even at that dose the morphine sulphate made SWIM feel very slowed down and extremely nauseas. Hydrocodone makes SWIM nauseas too but not nearly to the same degree. A Dimenhydrinate taken with the hydrocodone easily prevents SWIM's nausea, but neither that nor meclizine nor promethazine could attenuate the nausea from the morphine. The APAP issue is extremely annoying to SWIM. SWIM wonders how many people with legitimate conditions who take their medication exactly as prescribed have suffered from APAP induced problems. SWIM also agrees that Dicodid is a product available outside of the U.S. containing only hydrocodone.

[e-spacecadet]

Originally Posted by Blyss
The APAP issue is extremely annoying to SWIM. SWIM wonders how many people with legitimate conditions who take their medication exactly as prescribed have suffered from APAP induced problems. SWIM also agrees that Dicodid is a product available outside of the U.S. containing only hydrocodone.

Hypothetically, one may benefit from Vicoprophen. (hydrocodone/ibuprophen) SWIM has seen it as 7.5/200mg. A good pharmacy should be able to order it.

SWIM had thought the MS Contin had been used longer-term and a tolerance developed.

10mg MS Contin/day is quite low for one who is already taking an opioid, even for a starting dose. It would not be unusual to switch to MS immediate release at a mg dose actually very similar to hydro. Hydrocodone is considered to be a low-potency, low-efficacy drug and even at equianalgesic levels, conversions are not exact. These drugs are not the same & though they are both full agonists, codeine is less potent than morphine. If they all worked the same there would be no need for an array of opioids.

Morphine is considered to be the "gold standard" in pain control. With that said, SWIM has seen many people who preferred hydrocodone to morphine (& oxycodone) for pain mgmt. Also, hydro tends to not cause the intense CNS depression/sedation so many people have trouble with on morphine.

Everyone is different and medications will benefit us uniquely. Each should use what works best for them.

SWIM thinks it could be interesting to add to the poll what drugs people have access to. Dilaudid is SWIM's true favorite, but doesn't have access to it nor intend to seek it out.

[Alicia]

this is very tricky one as her creatures are very drawn to opium and heroin, they find morphine boring and more unpredictable then Opium or heroin.

Heroin being the only iv she has to inject regarding opiates. Opium she seems favor in oral and smoked preparations notably laudanum.

swia choose opium mainly due how she likes the art of smoking opium and how it makes her feel so divine and her skin and face feeling like silk as you can happily roll about content on for hours before the next lung ful of opium dreamy vapor.. dribble..

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