2C-E Death (Unconfirmed)

[BlueMystic]

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=40146

[Erowid Note: This report mentions an unverified, undocumented death. If you know any details related to this report, which describes an incident that would have happened Jan 27 2005, please email sage@erowid.org]

Body Weight: 250 lbs.

My friend Dave died two nights ago as a result of a 2ce overdose. My other friend who was with him (who was successfully resucsitated) said that they licked and dipped their fingers in it three times each (exact dose unknown). He has no recollection of when they passed out, only that they were both found the next day, one dead and the other near death. Apparently Dave got the stuff over the internet from China. Be careful...he always was.


Exp Year: 2005
Added: Jan 30, 2005

Reputation Comments on this post:

[greenman420]

Fake. It's probably the Dea posting this up to add more drama to the RC scene. Either that or these guys were just that dumb to dose themselves that way and they had it comming....

[Pinkavvy]

yeah "he always way" safe is bullshit. if they were safe, they wouldn't have "licked their fingers and dipped them in" to 2c-e for a dose.

[greenman420]

^^ Exactly. Also I'm not going to beleive this story without some facts. I'm sure there'd be an artical about him in his local newspaper, or the DEA would use that as an excuse to bust more online vendors....


How easy is it to post a trip report like this on Erowid?

[anj0vis]

Much more data would be needed, had they any medication (anything to do with maoi's, 2c-series *could* have some problems with them, specifically with maoi-b type), how much they took, was it really 2c-e, anything else..?

This is a serious issue and I am not saying it is fake right away, but 2c-e has been quite frequently used around here (I can safely say over 100 trips that I've heard of) and I know several people who've done dozens of trips over 50mg without any negative physical problems whatsoever. I have gone up to 50mg myself and if I should tell the toxicity from the physical symptoms I've had, 2c-e would be among the safest in my list along with lsd, mushrooms, iprocin and miprocin. 100mg dose is the highest I have personally heard of, no worrying physical symptoms there either. It is extremely powerful though, so it is not "fun playing" going that high, but physically the evidence suggests it isn't very dangerous to most people. 100mg is so big pile of powder that you just cannot lick that amount from fingers no matter how big hands they had. I am anxious to know more.

[BlueMystic]

I will be on the lookout for any articles that may surface regarding this event. For better assessment of this situation we would have to see a coroners report with the toxology write up. We will have to wait and see.

[anj0vis]

any news on this?

[bubaloo]

2C-E
2C-E
Chemical name 2,5-Dimethoxy-4-ethyl-phenethy lamine or
1-(2,5-dimethoxy-4-ethylphenyl)-2-aminoethane
Chemical formula C12H19NO2
Molecular mass 209.28 g/mol
Melting point -
CAS number -
SMILES NCCC1=C(OC)C=C(CC)C(OC)=C1
Chemical structure of 2C-E

2C-E (2,5-dimethoxy-4-ethylphenethylamine) is a psychedelic hallucinogenic drug and entheogenic phenethylamine first synthesized by Alexander Shulgin. It is commonly active in the 10 - 25 mg range, taken orally, and highly dose-sensitive. Insufflating (ie administering the chemical nasally) requires a much lower dose, typically not exceeding 5mgs, but tends to cause intense pain. Shulgin classified 2C-E as a member of the "magical half-dozen" in his book 'PiHKAL'. Many have reported that the effects of 2C-E are similar to those of the other phenethylamines, only much more intense. Vivid hallucinations similar to those experienced while under the influence of LSD are common, and many reports would indicate that the effects of this particular chemical may be overly intense for those not well experienced with psychedelics.

It should be noted that if 2C-E follows the same patterns as 2C-T-7 (another similar chemical) the risks of a serious and potentially fatal overdose are increased significantly when administrated nasally.

Taken from answers.com

[serpent]

he certainly didnt sound "very careful".extremely stupid would be a better way of putting it.its either a fake report,or just more confirmation that we need to keep very tight lipped about our sources,lest the uninformed and uneducated get hold of them.no news on this kind of confirms the fact that its just a scare story.

[korky8097]

he must have taken something previously to be that stupid as to dip his
finger in the bag, and even worse 3 times! I pray to god that the
human race couldnt have fucked up this stupidly, i mean this has to be
one of the stupidest things ever, if it were a researched and tested
chemical (mdma, mescal, and such) if would make slightly more sense but
even that would be dumb. These chems have barely been researched
and not much is known. You might as well find some plant in the
woods you have never seen before and just eat as much of it as you can
handle. I really hope this is a fake because if not i have to
seriously re-think mankinds evolution and intilect(sp?).

[Nagognog2]

My money is on it being a fake report planted by the DEA, or similar, to scare people with. Rather like Reefer Madness was put out to convince people that jazz musicians would give your white Christian daughters the devil weed and turn her into a maniacal criminal gun-moll. Unless I see proof to the contrary, I relinquish this story to the "Internet Rumor" basket.

[Softrat]

Yeah this story has all the signs of propaganda. The claim that he was always carefull after just saying he dipped his wet finger in the bag three times is absolutely absurd. Also the mention of China is interesting cause, if my understanding is correct the companies in china that sell RCs are real chemical manufactures that were selling to the RC suppliers. It is highly unlikely that some dumb kid would be able to locate one of these companies and get them to sell to him. One reason being is that they probably would not be interested in selling small amount like a gram or less. Whoever wrote this report probably heard that RCs come from CHina and didn't understand what that really means.


I don't think this is DEA propaganda report. It's probabbly some dumb anti-drug teenager who got a hold of some isolated facts and thought they could fool people with a fake report. I think the DEA would know if they were going to submit a report to errowid they would need to write it better than that if they were going to fool anyone.

[anj0vis]

Apparently nobody has offered any more actual details on this one, so it seems all the more likely that we cannot conclude anything about 2c-e's toxicity from this.

[mariecurie]

Are there actually people who think 2C-E is neurotoxic? I mean, it's
certainly possible, but it seems like there are many other RCs that are
much more likely to be neurotoxic.



Then again all the government's propaganda about LSD and MDMA has made
everyone convinced they put holes in your brain and stay in your body
forever.

[allyourbase]

lmao I highly doubt its at all neurotoxic. I think if this IS true he died of hypertensive shock. lmao, this will sound bad, but the fucker deserved to die. he consumed an unknown amount of a RESEARCH CHEMICAL, lmao and not just any research chemical, one of the better ones. licking ones finger could pick up anywhere from 10 to 100 mg.people this stupiddeserve death! I just wish it could have happened a more convenient way.Edited by: allyourbase

[akcom]

I doubt he could have overdosed and died from dipping/licking 3
times. There are reports of taking a similar compound, 2C-I at
some ridiculously high overdose and surviving without a hospital visit.

[fatal]

Originally Posted by akcom

I doubt he could have overdosed and died from dipping/licking 3
times. There are reports of taking a similar compound, 2C-I at
some ridiculously high overdose and surviving without a hospital visit.

2C-I is probably very dissimilar from 2C-E. 2C-I is extremely innocuous even when compared to the extremely gentle 2C-B. taking a 2C-I big boy sized dose of 2C-E might not be as fun of a time. where 2C-I lacks the capacity to overwhelm this is a much stronger compound. also it is about as accurate to say that 2C-T-7 is a similar compound and 2C-T-7 has definitely killed people.

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[waxhorse]

If you ever actually put that shit right on your tongue you certainly wouldn't do it two more times...It's eye-watering, spanked on the ass flavored!

[gn2osis]

That report really does sound like a troll. If it was planted by
some government official, then the author must figure people are really
stupid. Maybe the average voter really is that stupid but not the
average psychonaut.

All that being said, it's still incredibly stupid to go licking unknown
quantities of RC's or or even eyeballing them. I can't believe all
the posts I read here where people advocate that. But over time
good information will hopefully drive out the bad.

[nanobrain]

i cant find the original source, will keep looking

[Ephemerides]

Actually, SWIM licked their finger and put it in an rc bag for a small
dose of 2c-e. But this was after breaking up 20mg doses for 2-3 hours.
Some people have a facility for eyeballing, but this is definitely
after you've already seen a proper dose of the specific chemical.

[RoboCop]

I do not believe this for a second. I hate to admit it but Swim does not own a scale and does not measure out his RC doses. Swim never had any trouble with this and 2c-e. Swim started VERY low and worked his way up to what he found a rather nice dose. Swim would never lick their fingers and stick it into the bag but I do not think it would prove fatal.
Swim got about 30 doses from his 500mg of 2c-e by eyeballing doses, so I am not to worried he is being unsafe.

Anyways when do you guys believe a 2c-e dose could become dangerous?Edited by: RoboCop

[anj0vis]

my personal guesstimate would point to fatal 2c-e dose somewhere around 1-5g area. There are some good reasons to believe that 2c-i, 2c-b and 2c-e all have ld50 numbers in the same magnitude. All these have had reports on people consuming hundreds of milligrams at once without no other ill effects, except the overly intense experience. Mescaline fatal doses have been estimated to be somewhere in the 5-10g range (see http://www.bizarremag.com/ask_bizarre.php?id=252 for instance for a few data points). Mescaline is a phenethylamine as are 2c-x compounds. I somehow suspect 2c-i, 2c-b or 2c-e fatal doses are slightly lower than that of mescaline, so we have 5g upper limit from there (no scientific basis, just a reasonable guess), all those reports on large accidental doses set the lower limit and thus 1-5g sounds like reasonable figure.
Edited by: anj0vis

[Alfa]

I've seen people accidently tripping on 200 mg's of 2C-T-7, with no after effect, besides being stunned or awed by the ride. Nonetheless, people died on 2C-T-7 in the US.

[greg888]

Besides this report, I've never heard of any serious life threatning
conditions coming from the use of 2c-e but this report claims that one of
the members died and another was near death. It seems highly unlikely
to me that two people would have such a severe reaction to 2ce even if
they did massively overdose. I also vote for fake.

As to when 2ce becomes dangerous I dont know, but here is one report
on Erowid of someone accidentally taking 210mg of 2ce and making a full
recovery. Of course that doesn't mean 210mg isn't dangerous, just that
this one person turned out fine.
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=33380