Problems Rolling?? It sucks.

[stapezee]

Ok so here it is.

Mickey Mouse took his first pill about a month and a half ago. His first time he took a red buddha with one of his friends. Mickey's thought was that the pills were bad because he and his friend didn't really roll. The next day Mickey and his friend picked up a couple of Green Mickeys. (the pills were green mickey house hats) Mickey Mouse swallowed 1 pill and in a half an hour was loving rolling for the first time. The weird thing was that his roll only lasted about a hour and a half. The next weekend Mickey Mouse and his friends got some more pills. Orange Ladies.... Mickey Mouse takes 2 and nothing!!! Mickey thought they might be bad pills but he looks over at his friend and he is floored. So Mickey mouse does not roll but his friend does. Mickey waits a couple weeks to try it again. he gets more good pills(his friend does the tests before he sells them!) Mickey takes 2 blue ladies and once again cannot roll. He gets all the come up symptoms. He gets the upset stomach clammy hands, nervous feeling. Mickey has eaten about 10 pills in the last month and a half and only rolled one time. Mickey knows some people loose the magic, but mickey has only rolled one time!!
Mickeys friends say that theres a mental block, like mickey is thinking about it too much. Mickey thinks its his body, but why would it work the first time?? What should mickey do to try to roll?? Mickey has taken pills all ways except up the pooper. Mickey used to do a lot of cocaine and wondered if that one of the reasons he cant roll?? his friends do it too and they roll of one pill all the time!! Mickey does not want to roll every weekend all the time he just really wants to have this beautiful experience one more time!!

ps. i know its not the pills because they work on all of Mickey's friends all the time!!


Any advice of info would really help!!
Thanks in advance!!

[Shiacmkmleer]

Ok:
First off all telling us what pills SWIY ate doesn't really matter cause there's no way to know if they are good
Second: SWIS has a friend who cant roll. We don't know why SWIS knows shes taken pure MDMA before and she hasn't rolled. SWIS would be obliged if anyone knew why this could be
(and this is a better rephrasing of the OP's post)
Third: SWIS once had a roll that only lasted about an hour. To this day he still has no idea how that happened/what was in the pill.
Fourth: I know your friend has heard it before... but trying to roll 2 weeks in a row? damn... not a smart idea at all.
Lastly best of luck and I hope someone comes up with a solution for your friend

[johno.]

Originally Posted by Shiacmkmleer

Fourth: I know your friend has heard it before... but trying to roll 2 weeks in a row? damn... not a smart idea at all.

I don't understand this. SWIM once did pills for about 3 months straight every weekend. Sometimes both friday and saturday nights. He did not once have a bad trip. Some of the best rolls had were around the middle of this 3 month 'binge'.

In theory, he knows the rolls should get worse and worse with time and continued use. But with his personal experience as the basis for these statements, he doesn't see the need to 'space it out' as much as people say.

[KomodoMK]

Originally Posted by johno.

I don't understand this. SWIM once did pills for about 3 months straight every weekend. Sometimes both friday and saturday nights. He did not once have a bad trip. Some of the best rolls had were around the middle of this 3 month 'binge'.

In theory, he knows the rolls should get worse and worse with time and continued use. But with his personal experience as the basis for these statements, he doesn't see the need to 'space it out' as much as people say.

You do that every weekend for over a year with many different pills and you'll soon end up feeling only the ampy/speedy buzz and the magic will dissapear. This happened to SWIM and he only finally stopped due to bad short term memory problems, which seem to have fixed themselves after a year of keeping away.

[kakakaka]

Yeh swim was the same. The magic dies as the serotonin depletes. Swim cant get any sort of buzz now, all that happens is he starts to yawn alot and feel sick. No buzz, just a feeling of confusion (kinda like truffles) and sickness.

[Nose Dive]

Originally Posted by johno.

I don't understand this. SWIM once did pills for about 3 months straight every weekend. Sometimes both friday and saturday nights. He did not once have a bad trip. Some of the best rolls had were around the middle of this 3 month 'binge'.

In theory, he knows the rolls should get worse and worse with time and continued use. But with his personal experience as the basis for these statements, he doesn't see the need to 'space it out' as much as people say.

That may the case now but might not be in the future. In short SWIYou'll break SWIYourself if you are reckless with this drug, give SWIY time to recover. It may not have happened this time but if eventually it does it may be too late and the magic may be gone forever. It may not happen but why risk it? And I certainly wouldn't advise others to do the same. Maybe you should check out a few more reports of people not being able to enjoy it as they used to.

[Streak of Blue]

Originally Posted by johno.

I don't understand this. SWIM once did pills for about 3 months straight every weekend. Sometimes both friday and saturday nights. He did not once have a bad trip. Some of the best rolls had were around the middle of this 3 month 'binge'.

In theory, he knows the rolls should get worse and worse with time and continued use. But with his personal experience as the basis for these statements, he doesn't see the need to 'space it out' as much as people say.

Spacing them out is more to do with one's health SWIM thought. Rolling every weekend is probably pretty bad for you.

[KomodoMK]

Originally Posted by Streak of Blue

Spacing them out is more to do with one's health SWIM thought. Rolling every weekend is probably pretty bad for you.

It is. SWIM learned this the hard way and ended up suffering severe short term memory loss. SWIM was however doing silly amounts of E up to 12+ pills sometimes once to twice a week for not far short of a year. Eventually it become more of a speedy buzz, similar to that of amphetamines and lost it's magic. Both buzz and memory did improve after abstaining from a long period of time.

[OiledMandible]

Does SWIStapezee take any SSRIs, MAOIs, or trycyclics?

SSRIs in particular have been shown to reduce the effects of MDMA when taken chronically; ie. when treating depression or anxiety.

[Wojack420]

try chewing the pill instead of just dropping it. or parachute it, which means put it in a small piece of toilet paper and swallowing it. SWIM's first pill did nothing because swim didnt chew it his 2nd roll and on he always felt effects.

[stapezee]

Swim does not take any anti depressants or any other meds. so thats not the problem. Swim has also snorted two pills and still nothing... Its like swim has all of the rolling effects except the body high!! Swim is kind of dizzy and feeling out of it like rolling but no body euphoria of any kind???

[spa]

Snorting isn't always the best method, considering a lot ends up getting stuck in your nose.

Try crushing up the pills and eating them. SWIM took 3-4 rolls the first few rolls to actually achieve a feeling. Now SWIM can eat 1 and reach euphoria.

[stapezee]

k so tonight was the final test. swim took two at once and then snorted another one after about 20 min. swim knows they were good pills because he knows of people who have taken them. tonight was strange because the pills really fucked swim up but swim still never had a body high. swims pupils were huge and swim was grinding all night long but no body high. its so strange because swim has only actually rolled once.

[RaverHippie]

There is always the case where drugs affect different people differently. You can either revel in the differences or cast a negative outlook on yourself because you can't do the same things other people can.

SWIM recently came into the most visual-inducing tripping chemical ever and for one friend it gave no visuals whatsoever but merely opened and reconnected his mind temporarily. He enjoyed the perception alteration and didn't really feel short changed in the end because he could accept the uniqueness of his experience.

[stapezee]

so tonight was pretty much the final test. swim took a pill that was from a trusted dealer that always has good pill. swim has been having problems rolling. swims first actual roll was about 2 months ago. he enjoyed it very much. swim has not been able to roll since. he does not know what his problem is. swim took another shot at it tonight. swim takes the pill and never gets any type of body high?? swim has no clue why he can not roll and his friends roll very hard and take the same pills and the same amount. (1 pill) swims friends think its a mental block but he does not know what to do?? swim really only wants to enjoy this beautiful experience one more time but feels he will never enjoy it again?? does anyone have any advice for swim??

[Nature Boy]

Does SWIY take any medicines? Either that or he just has unusually high resistance to ecstasy which isn't entirely uncommon.

[RaverHippie]

I would recommend that SWIY waits longer before trials. I went back and looked at the first post you made and noticed it could help if SWIY put more time before SWIY attempts rolling again. There is a strong diminished effect when trying to roll too frequently. That's the only advice I'd have at this point after looking over the old thread. It would probably be better to have used that thread instead making a new one or have a moderator merge them..

[Micklemouse]

Threads merged.

[Love4TheWeekend]

According to some research, a portion of the population lacks the Kidney enzyme CYP2D6, which can lead to improper metabolizm of MDMA. It is said that these folks will probably not feel the effects of MDMA and are actually putting thier bodies at risk, though there is some debate there. You might be one of these people.

From Wikipedia:

Some scientists have suggested that a small percentage of people lack the proper enzymes to break down the drug. One enzyme involved in MDMA's breakdown is CYP2D6, which is deficient or totally absent in 5–10% of the Caucasian population and those of African descent, and in 1–2% of Asians.[55] However, there is no clear evidence linking lack of this enzyme to problems in users, and the connection remains theoretical.

As for my own two cents, if you've tried this much and got little to nothing, it might be time to give up on an expensive attempt to recapture your good roll. Just look at that instance as a precious gift

[BrainMelt]

If a person has gotten used to rolling on various pills, would switching to pure MDMA bring back the "magic"?

[6chr0nic4]

yes, swim did pure mdma 2nd time in his life, thought he was going to regret it as last time he thought he lost the magic, this time did 225mg, (twice as much as the previous time) and omg, its was better than the first time, if not veryyyyy close

he will never roll on pressed pills again

[RaverHippie]

Originally Posted by BrainMelt

If a person has gotten used to rolling on various pills, would switching to pure MDMA bring back the "magic"?

It won't bring back the magic. The only thing that likely happens is that it is a stronger dose than SWIY is used to due to the amount of fillers/adulterants in pills. Therefore it may appear that the tolerance has decreased but really it's impossible to decipher how much MDMA is in each pill and impossible to know the real dose at which SWIY's body is used to. So when SWIY goes for the powder SWIY probably uses a dose that is stronger than the amount combined in SWIY's normal pill total.

[KomodoMK]

Abstaining for a long period of time (12-18 months) worked for SWIM. However, this is not a definitive answer as some report it never comes back. Best way is not to abuse it from the start and only use it 2-3 times a year, this way the novelty won't wear off for quite some time and your brain has time to replenish the chemicals it depleted from the previous experience.