different research chems(comparison)

[Lacognac69]

I was curious to find out what people think about a couple research chems. I havn't used any of these so im curious what kind of effects they have and which one usuallyare a better trip, these being 4HO-DIPT, DPT, 5 meO AMT or 5 meO DMT. I have read a lot of experiences about these and i know that 5 meO DMT is a shorter experience, but what are your opinions about the better overall experience between these and how are they different. Thanks

[psy-marshal]

These are all about as different as they come in my opinion. I mean, most drugs are different from one another, but the only things I can say these four you mentioned have in common is that you trip when you take them. Do some research on them for yourself and you will get a pretty good idea of how different they are.

[anj0vis]

5-meo-amt provides the longest trip, over 10 hours, iprocin (4-ho-dipt) is 4-6 hours, dpt is 1- hours (depends if you smoke or snort) and 5-meo-dmt is only some 5-15 minutes and half an hour of after effects. Intensity goes somewhat in the reverse order, 5-meo-dmt being the most intense psychedelic I have ever tried (this opinion is shared by many). Personally, iprocin is the most enjoyable of these.

[Lacognac69]

I've heard that 4-ho-dipt is supposed to be a man made version of psilocybin, is that pretty much true? Are the trips pretty similar to eachother?

[yajw]

The 4-HO-DiPT was pleasant. Can't really compare it to psilocibin,
since there has never been personal access to it, only the blend in
mushrooms.



At 10mg it make the sidewalks sparkle from the sunshine. Textures and
light reflections were mildly enhanced for, say, about 2 hours.



At 15mg there was a a general warm feeling, and some fractalization.
But the same general well being. I've noticed this as rather short
acting, and remember it lasting between 3-4 hours, both times this
strength was experimented with.



Each time was on a relatively empty stomach, and there was no apparent
body load, except for the coming up tingling, and thinking that things
were just a little different than usual. The short acting nature made
it perfect for a nice little visit after work. No problems were noticed
going to sleep at the regular time.



5-MeO-AMT is something that's been sitting in the lab for a bit. From
the reports I've read and heard, it looks like a nice commitment of
time is required. That's what the upcoming holiday will be for. Either
that or 2C-T-2.



The 5-MeO-DMT experience, is well, an experience. But can be quite
rewarding. It's nice to have a sitter around if you are using a
combustible method of intake. Just so you don't drop the pipe and burn
yourself, or start a fire.

[cyalume]

Originally Posted by Lacognac69

I've heard that 4-ho-dipt is supposed to be a man
made version of psilocybin, is that pretty much true? Are the
trips pretty similar to eachother?

that man made version of shrooms is how one website is marketting it..
and it isnt the case. On the two times i have tried it i found it
to have only mild psychedelic (mind fuck) some small visual
enhancement.. it was mostly a physical well being sort of thing.
You'll feel damn good, happy, and the body buzz cant be beat (my first
time it was almost orgasmic on the come up). Iprocin has been
noted to have very varying effects so you might not get the same effect
each time you take it. sometimes its more trippy then
others. Always feels good though and between 20-24mg your
generally pretty much down afeter 4 hours or so.

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[Lacognac69]

ya i did see that one place where they advertised it as man man shrooms, maybee that idea just got stuck in my head. It still sounds like its definitely worth trying. I've been having trouble finding people with shrooms so i will probably try this stuff at some point.

Iprocin is closer to shrooms than many things, but it is not the same,
and it is indeed highly variable. Sometimes it's just plain
disappointing, other times a very pleasant surprise. If you like
gambling, you might like iprocin.



DPT is deep and dark and cold, like swimming in a deep black pool. It is not to be trifled with.



5-meo-DMT is like a sledgehammer to the head while going over the top
of the world's highest rollercoaster. Amazing, fun, terrifying and
sickeningly powerful.



5-meo-AMT I can't comment on.

[ChemicallyBound]

Victor


please elaborate on the DPT, deep dark cold analogy...........

[Triple7]

Right now i am on 30mg 4-ho-dipt and it's been 65 minutes ago i took
this.. this is just a +1 so far and i try to enhacne my experience with
music... Few days ago I tried this, but that time I hade a big coctail
of RC's... and it was very fun.. guess I should have rested more.



To compare with other RC.. 20mg amt is treshold.. so is 20mg 4-aco-dipt... and probably 3 mg 5-meo-mipt.. for me.

[Triple7]

ok, about 5-10 minutes after that post above it kicked in. I found it
pure.. that it felt quite visual when i closed my eyes but there was
the buzz missing. I think best experience is to combine 4-ho-dipt with
something else to make it more compleete.. something that would change
your mood. Well, it all depends on what you want..



Normally, when I am on 4-aco-dipt it kicks in about 10 minutes..
probably the delay was because of the milk I drank few hours before
taking my 2 pills of 4-ho-dipt. When I had a coctail of RC, the 4-ho-dipt kicked in quite fast.



Had now 2 experiences with 4-ho-dipt.. one in a coctail and one in this delayed one.

[msumegi]

5-Meo-AMT

[msumegi]

is the one I would reccomend for euphoria, length and price

Originally Posted by ChemicallyBound

Victor


please elaborate on the DPT, deep dark cold analogy...........

Well, it seems that most other psychedelics, natural ones and even most
synthetic ones, especially the tryptamines, have a "warmth", a
body-based euphoria based in the center of the chest that brings with
it a feeling of well-being, even in the midst of intense psychedelia
which might be disturbing. DPT is in many ways like this, but something
about the "presence" in the middle of your chest is cold, or
unforgiving. Also the tremors in legs and arms can be quite strong and
this adds to the feeling of being physically manipulated or assaulted
by an outside force.



The mental space of DPT too is kind of cold. In this it is a little
like LSD, which also has a mechanical/inhuman feeling to it sometimes.



It's not necessarily a negative thing though. It's weird; I have felt
intense love on DPT, at the same time I'm feeling quite a lot of fear
and trembling. It's like feeling you're in under the control a really
powerful person who could crush you with their boot without a second
thought, but it's OK, because the whole world is love, even this scary
part is love.

[enquirewithin]

Originally Posted by msumegi

is the one I would reccomend for euphoria, length and price

There are some reports of complications with 5 MEO AMT. Have you experienced any?

[msumegi]

I am 155lbs and have taken 5-18mgs orally on several occasions with no vomiting or any real problem other than lack of sleep