Experiences - Do Strong Minded People Have Bad Mushroom Trips?

[TheMatrix]

Im not trying to insult anyone but all the times I have done shrooms a bad experience was always the farthest thing from my mind. I mean when im tripping I feel completely in control, in charge of my destiny etc.the last time Iate shrooms I was going through a rough time and even though people say never take a psychadelic when depressed I did itanywayand I had a great experience just like I always do.To me it seems impossible to have a bad trip on something like shrooms.Are there people out there who have never had a bad trip? I dont know I really couldnt imagine it. And what is a bad trip anyway? Being lost in your own mind??

[Thorkelson]

Ive done shrooms quite a few times and i had a bad trip onthem for about half an hour once but thats it, the rest of the time ive loved doingthem. A bad trip is when all the thoughts and halucinations become too busy and too intense and you start to think about it and start thinking that you're going insane. Some of my friends dont like doing shrooms because theyve had more bad experience than good so i think with shrooms you can either hack them or you cant.

[HippieD9]

It depends on how much you do, and the setting you're in. Imagine being lost in a city you don't know shrooming, or maybe getting dumped in the middle of a trip. Or you could just eat to much, there is a point where it just gets overwhelming. I've found my point, it was half an oz. I don't recommend that one.





Peace,


D.

[jduba]

sure all people are capable of bad trips. some drugs can take you outta
your mind and reasonable thinking...but those are the best ones!
shrooms you would have to dose pretty high to do that. but there are
thinks around us that we have no control over that can change in a
heart beat like it or not that will fuck up your head trippn or not(ex
death,tragedy) my first bad trip was 911 and boy did it fuck me up

[Crusader651]

some people find it easier than other to adapt to the effect of mushrooms,i am like you,never badtripped and very confident about facing anything on it,but some people are not,the bad story of other people dont help this,since the trip resolve around what you(and your inconscious) think

But what i heard is that many people are like that at first,then they tend to increase dosage and they get overwhelmed and have a bad experience,at low dosage its not hard to stay positive,it is an entirely different things on the higher dosage,mushrooms seem to induce way less badtrips than acids

about being depressed and using psychedelics,i saw that alot of time but those people mistake being depressed for a bad settings,i am not saying it is good to do that,but psychedelics help see what is wrong in your life and how to do it,that is much more positive,of course if all you think is how your life sucks when you trip,it wont help,unless you add a line:i dont give a fuck about this cuz it doesnt matter,i gotta see how i can change to make it funny.


Bad settings is like arguing with your best friend then tripping with him,the best settings is probably smart friend around you,being positive,as soon as they see you or someone feeling bad,do something stupid or funny so people laugh(its not hard to make themlaugh on this state)change music and reorient the trip


you have to keep ur mind strong at all time,convince yourself that you are strong and able to resist fear,and you will be

jduba,there is things that are out of control,but thats why we must try to plan those,and effectively deal with them when they arise,can be pretty hard on an unstable thing like that,the worst ennemy of psychedelics is probably sober or semi-sober people(especially dumb,you know the type who drink alcohol)

[Random]

There are no bad or good trips, only the experience. Once you have
figured this out it is then you will be able to trully enjoy the
psychedelic experience

[xctico]

nice point random. learning to enjoy a bad trip would not only make it
last less time, but help you learn more about whatever fear trigger
that bad trip

[Baci]

What is a bad trip... My mom tells me of her "bad" lsd trip she had 25 years ago, just before I was concieved.


Maybe she has an over-active imagination (would probably cause bad trips in the wrong setting), but the people surrounding herat the hotel party started to change for the worse. She began to feel panicky and overwhelmed, sat on the couch to regain herself. When she looked up again, a friend of hers had on a devil holloween costume (even though it wasn't holloween), and asked her if she was alright. This came as such a shock to her that her heart stopped and she felt as though she had to force herself to take her next breath. She stands up and looks away, but to add to her fear, everyone at the party began to take on a demonic form. The more she tried to controll it, the worse and more threateningit would get. Panicked and fearing for her life at this point she bolts out the door into the hallway. Only then everything - the floor, the doors, the ceiling - everything - was demonic and horrid. She heard the sounds of people screaming and crying andscratching at the walls. She heard yelling at the top of their lungs in a language she describes as "not human". All this came on at once - the whole world became Hell to her in her mind, and if your mind believes it, then it's real to you. She ran as fast as she could to the end of the hallway trying to escape out of this hell, and hopped the guard rail; forgetting that she was on the 2nd story. A large bush broke her fall onto pavement.


When she awoke, she was lying in a hospital bed and 6 hours had elapsed. She managed to get away w/ only minor cuts and bruises and a slight cuncusion.


When she got out, she found out that her friend wasn't even wearing a devil mask. The whole thing was in her mind.


She didn't swear off drugs at that point, it took paranoid thoughts of hell after a good stoner session before she gave it all up for good. To this day she won't go near anything that alters the mind, body, or mood.


She is highly weary of my shroom usage, even though I tell I've never ever came anywhere near a bad trip on them, and that I don't think it could happen (if used responsibly).


But I think that it's your underlying mind-state that can put you at risk of a bad trip. Whats barried in your head and how you feel about it that could fuck you up royal if not taken care of before you trip. In my moms case, it was issues of religion and feelings of guilt in her life, the worry of dying and going to hell for eternity - that type of shit that sent her over the edge.

[RoboCop]

Personally I think bad trips are in peoples heads, there is no such thing, just ignorant people scaring themselves. Somepeople can't handle drugs. I never even had a bad salvia trip, Sometimes their shocking sure, but not bad. Like I said on other threads about bad trips on this forum, I think its all in your head, if your like me and know you will not have a bad trip and do not even think about having a bad trip you will not have one, period.

[billyloner]

i never used to think id have a bad trip either. but i took some mushrooms after id had an e, and it did begin to go bad. got really harsh nausea which seemed to spread to my entire body, had real difficulty coping - kept standing in front of the sink. the visuals were alternating between beauty and weirdness. still managing to stay in control, i thought id calm myself down by standing still and taking deep breaths, which helped. but not enough, the nausea seemed to make the visuals harsh and unnatural, the nausea wouldnt go away and the visuals were getting more intense - and in turn, making the nausea more intense. music sounded far too intense at this point too. all this lasted about 15-25 minutes from the onset of the effects. i went to lie down on my bed, refusing to let my trip go bad. once i relaxed lying down, the nausea passed and the visuals settled down.


id say im a strong minded person, but it took all my willpower to remain in control for that half hour period. i think now that i was unprepared for how intense the experience would be, and i know i took too many. hasnt put me off though, but i think ill spend a bit more time getting to know mushrooms better on their own before attempting them with e again like that...

[jrock0069]

I also believe there is no such thing as a bad trip. I've overdosed a few times on various drugs and still enjoyed the trips. Always keep in mind how high you've been in the past and remember that you've always returned to baseline(sooner or later).

[hippie_lain]

I had a bad trip when my friends were fucking with me nonstop. It sucked big time. Cant remember like 3 hours of the trip. When i came to i had all these parnioded ideas in my head....bad day for me.

[xctico]

If you try to enter a trip with a "strong" mind, you have a big chance
of having a bad trip. If you enter the trip with a soft and open mind,
a mind ready to accept what comes from the trip, or ultimatelly to just
let it pass by... You'll be far better prepared to deal with the trip,
no matter what it throws at you.



hippie lain... you should let your friends know that it ain't very
smart to make a tripper paranoid... he might go "charles manson" on
them [specially effective if followed by mad scientist look, with
cheshire smile and psicotic laughter]...

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Good point in the 1st paragraph

[BEEKSc1]

i slightly disagree with ... "If you try to enter a trip with a "strong" mind, you have a big chance of having a bad trip"... swim always goes into a trip with strong and confident mind. swim always tells himself, that he has control. i like the part of the open mind (XTCico)in combination with a strong and confident mind and swim tries to incorporate that in his trips. on the other hand, swim has noticed, when he expects an outrageous trip,swimis not fully delved into the experience (just as RANDOM said), but when swim hardly expects to trip, thats when it hits him like a ton. don't over dramatize your trip or it will not create the full effect. these are psychedelics and your psychological state prior to the trip is critical. be in a good mood, hang out with friends, chill, be safe, and trip your balls off!!!

[manda]

Wrong situation, wrong people, wrong place- Yes, a strongminded person can have a bad trip. If you are asking that question, you must not be too old of a user. (which is a good thing)

Best way not to have a bad trip is not to take drugs.

[chemlove]

SWIM always has fun with shrooms and different chem's and finds himself in control but always fretting over the situation. SWIM had one bad trip in the woods, but it turned out to be a good experience for him.

I think the issue is always to pick your location and friends wisely so anytime "fun time" is a fun time!

[robertone]

Yes, strong minded people can have and will have bad trips. The way strong minded differ from the not so strong minded is keeping control when it happens. Until now Swim could control himself when the trip came in bad, he always did realise what was happening when the trip went bad. Though realising didn't took the wrong feelings away, it prevented worse. Swim saw others loosing themselfs completely, not being able anymore to gain any form of control over themselfs. Let being able to sense what's real. Swim never wants that happen to him.

[Nature Boy]

A "bad" trip is very much about interpretation. An introspective view that may bring about a sense of negativity may not necessarily be a bad thing in some cases. To a reasonable person, grasping and conquering this sense of negativity can be seen as a learning experience. Then there are people who should not be using psychedelics in the first place. These are the irrational types who think they have rats crawling around in their brains because they have no understanding of how psychedelics act.

[robertone]

Originally Posted by Nature Boy

A "bad" trip is very much about interpretation. An introspective view that may bring about a sense of negativity may not necessarily be a bad thing in some cases. To a reasonable person, grasping and conquering this sense of negativity can be seen as a learning experience. Then there are people who should not be using psychedelics in the first place. These are the irrational types who think they have rats crawling around in their brains because they have no understanding of how psychedelics act.

How would Swiy define a situation where three, including Swim, are in an mountain forest (beautifull clear night with full moon), where Swim took 500 mcg and the others 250 mcg LSD and one of the others got in mind that he would be able to fly and started to walk/run to an abyss and Swim had to talk him down -- starting to feel physical unwell because the mental energy it took to stay focussed on the situation --, while the third didn't stop laughing and did nothing else then that (he did realise that his friend was in danger but he found the situation quite funny)?

[x cynic x]

Easily. Even if youre strong-minded before taking the chemical, situations could quickly arise where you find you have no dominance over the rapid thoughts being generated, especially with high doses. Precaution is commonplace, but there is no way of knowing exactly what you may have to deal with during a trip.

[Nature Boy]

Originally Posted by robertone

How would Swiy define a situation where three, including Swim, are in an mountain forest (beautifull clear night with full moon), where Swim took 500 mcg and the others 250 mcg LSD and one of the others got in mind that he would be able to fly and started to walk/run to an abyss and Swim had to talk him down -- starting to feel physical unwell because the mental energy it took to stay focussed on the situation --, while the third didn't stop laughing and did nothing else then that (he did realise that his friend was in danger but he found the situation quite funny)?

SWIM would say that any chump with dreams of flight should stay well away from LSD. Sorry to hear about SWIY's ordeal. Such a shame a selfish individual destroyed your trip.

[allyourbase]

"ignorance is bliss"

[enquirewithin]

Anyone can have a bad trip. A bad trip must be one you didn't enjoy, for a variety of reasons. Even people very experienced with psychedelics can end up very uncomfortable, without expecting to, sometimes.

[nEone]

I think people only think of themselves as "strong minded" until they HAVE a bad trip - then over the next few days/weeks/months/years, they parse what the experience meant to them and how that affected them and typically - the negative experience is a strengthening experience, so it turns to positive - but ANYONE can have a bad trip.

When you trip, you give up a measure of control...and it's only a matter of time when SOMETHING happens that colors that experience in a way that you simply don't know how to handle.

I have a friend who will NEVER EVER trip again. They had a trip that so deafeningly shook them that it took them months to sort it all out. And this is a very strong person. She thought she was fine and tripped again - and was INSTANTLY back in that headspace. She's tried twice more and it's always the same. So - she's done. She still gets high, she still drinks, but a switch has been flipped - and she's not at all happy going back into that world.

SWIM has had one really "bad" trip. Terrifying to the core. But he didn't have the recurring issues that she had. SWIM thinks that there is a period in your life when tripping (on anything) can be purely recreational and easy - but with time, life and all that it entails, creeps in. It doesn't make the experience BAD - per se, but it doesn't make you want to trip every weekend like you used to back in the day.

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[madpad]

SWIMs only ever had one after eating a very large amount of mushrooms, even continuing after swim was tripping heavily and the trip only turned bad after he started to come to a bit. He found himself lying in the gutter unable to string two words together or get up and it took him a while to realise he was soaking wet and cold because it was raining. Swim just thought it was something like pins and needles. During the peak swim couldn't hold a thought long enough to think of anything good or bad and it was only after something like 6 hours that he managed to hold a train of thought long enough to scare himself.

Swim has seen others freak out, sometimes on a very low dose and only showing fairly minor signs of panic while others have done some very strange things and put themselves in physical danger without realising it. It doesn't seem to matter how experienced you are it can still happen but most people seem to get over it quite quickly.