(synthetic) 5-MEO-DMT experiences

[trptamene]

Please add your experiences with 5-MEO-DMT here. Please add dosage, route and duration to the top of your post like this:

Originally Posted by EXAMPLE

Dosage: 12 mg in one glass juice
Route: Orally
Duration: 2 hours

When posting a experience, please describe:

• body weight & gender
• dose taken
• route of administration
• Setting: in what environment it was taken.
• duration of main effects
• main effects
• side effects
• after effects
• rating of the experience
• addictive qualities / abuse potential
• any other valuable information

Info about this drug (other than experiences) should be discussed here: 5-MEO-DMT Information
These documents about 5-MEO-DMT are in the file archive
5-MEO-DMT pics
Research Chemicals Index – Piperazines
Research Chemicals Index - Phenethylamines
Research Chemicals Index - Tryptamines

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[Euphoric]

There is a thread for this currently under the DMT/Plants/Ayahuasca section: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...ight=5-meo-dmt

[trptamene]

Hmmm...ya you are correct.

Please post only experiences with synthetic (non-natural, has never been in a plant) 5-meo-dmt here, unless Alfa has other thoughts?

[ODB]

So my monkey and my jackass have been playing with some pure synthetic 5-meo-dmt. its the hcl salt(mustard kinda color) so they must snort it. I was told its not at all visual and complete euphoria, but nothing like mdma euphoria. My monkey told me that a downtown crack in the sidewalk didn't like it cause it didn't leave you wanting more. Anyways, perhaps I will train em to write a trip report.

[trptamene]

please do...well written trip reports that follow the format are of high value to me

[[éS]Infinite]

Dosage: 10 mg
Route: Smoked
Duration: 5-10 minutes

T: 0:00 - SWIM smoked 5-meo-dmt just yesterday for his first time. He used his usual bong to smoke it, laying the bowl with a bit of weed, with the 5-meo-dmt on top, and more weed on top of that. It was thus smoked while he was laying on his bathroom floor with towels under him (head close to the toilet in case he had to vomit).

T: 0:05s - He smoked it, and found it harsher than a typical weed toke (he had taken the whole thing all in one to avoid any loss of dose) and only remarked minor coughing. Within seconds he felt a strong energy come about him. Probably only 3-5 seconds after exhaling, he underwent a drastic change in thoughts, and absolutely nothing visual.

T: 0:30s - He began to think greatly about his life, and what he had done in the past which he had kept locked up. All sorts of memories came back to him from childhood, and all sorts of connections were being created in his mind. The nausea was almost overwhelming, almost to the point of having to vomit, but he knew he wasn't quite there yet.

T: 5:00min - The total experience lasted roughly 5-10 minutes, in which the thought shift along with the nausea, subsided.

T: 10:00min - By the time he was back to baseline, he hoped in the shower (which SWIM finds offers very intense thought patterns without drugs, like meditation) and noticed his mind was largely focussed on what he had just experienced, analyzing it, and interpreting his future 5-meo-dmt trips. By the time he was out of the shower and back in his room, he had largely forgotten what had happened, and knew only that the thoughts deeply involved his life.

SWIM would say there is no addiction potential involved with this compound, it is not very comfortable. However, he is still greatly interested in going further with it, and exploring the vast realms he knows it has to offer. He would rate it as worth doing, and not give a number to label the experience.

Reputation Comments on this post:

	Thanks for the report. Info on SWIY's body weight, age and gender is appreciated, as well as a dose if available.
	Thanks for the report, I'm giving you extra points on the assumption you will edit it to make lil more readible

[trptamene]

while not strickly enforced, a universal format makes for easy reading:

Please add dosage, route and duration to the top of your post like this:

Originally Posted by EXAMPLE

Dosage: 12 mg in one glass juice
Route: Orally
Duration: 2 hours

See this thread for Writing trip reports - tips & insights.

Breaking it off into "sections" or having some type of page breaks is a good idea as many people are inclined to skip over large amounts of continuous text.

[jux]

• body weight & gender: 110 lbs male
• dose taken: 3-5 mg (scale drift was throwing off the measurement)
• route of administration: smoked (w/ spice gold as a "green screen")
• Setting: home, comfortable, average mood
• duration of main effects: not really sure, prob around 20 min for main effects

Comments:

after a considerable amount of effort trying to get an exact measurement (to no avail...he has not gotten used to working with such a sensitive scale...), the drifter added approximately 3-5 mg in a small pipe on top of a minute amount of spice gold (to keep the 5meo from melting through the screen). a small amount of SG was added to the top as well.

the drifter smoked it in one hit....the smoke wasnt as unpleasent as he expected and he was able to hold the hit with relative ease. within seconds after exhaling, he started to feel a looseness and heaviness in his limbs. a light droning noise was percieved in the background...at first he wasnt sure if the droning was actually occuring (read: something making the sound) or if it was the 5meo, but he chalked it up as an effect of the drug.

after a couple of seconds (he guesses) of familiarizing himself with what was going on, he began to look around. "holy shit, im actually tripping" he muttered to himself. he really wasnt expecting any visuals based on what he had read of the substance, but as he looked around the room, he was definately tripping pretty good. it was nothing reminiscent of what he had read about dmt visuals either....more classically psychedelic like acid or shrooms...but with its own unique signature visual pattern (if that makes sence to anyone but me). color enhancement, tracers, patterning, sparkles, and warping were all evident.

the rest of the trip was fairly uneventful, spent mostly familiarizing himself with the effects of the drug. the comedown was decidely smoother and less abrupt than the comeup. mental effects consisted of minor apprehension during the peak and general trip mentality...nothing unusual.

Impressions:

though most people find this drug to be absent in visuals, the drifter definately experianced them at a rather low dose. he was fairly impressed with the chemical and says that he will be doing more work with it in the future. the amount used seems to be a good dose for the drifter.

Epilogue:

i have been away from this site for a couple of months, so for my first post i thought i would come back and share the drifters 1st 5meo experiance. he began to write it at the tail end of his trip, so forgive him if it is rambling or unclear.

Reputation Comments on this post:

	Thanks for the report.
	Thanks for the report!

[Euphoric]

5-meo-dmt

Dose:6mg (give or take 2mg) smoked
Male, 150lbs, 23

SWIM's work was canceled today, so he decided to test this material. He had just finished his breakfast at about 9:15 when he received the notice of no work. By 9:35 he had made his way to his back yard with material loaded in pipe. SWIM was in a good mood and excited to try this. There was a mix of sun and cloud but the sun was coming out. The grass was dewy. SWIM was a comfortable temperature in his sweater. He sits down on a plastic chair with a view of the farm land.

0:00 Light substance, watch it burn. Smoke is harsh but manageable. SWIM wonders if he hit it right, while still holding it in his lungs, wondering if perhaps todays experiment will produce no results and another attempt will have to be made another day. Within 5 seconds SWIM realizes this will not be the case. He starts to think 'Hey doesn't the grass look different? Aren't my thoughts different?' Still he holds the hit and exhales when he has the worry that he may lose consciousness, but in reality he was probably a long way from that, probably having only held the hit for around 20-30 seconds.

0:01 This is indeed intense. Not fun. Thoughts immediately turn to what could go wrong, however unlikely (session being interrupted by sober people who shouldn't be seeing SWIM indulging in this). SWIM tells himself he's already in it and will just have to deal with things as they come. He sits back and tries to relax. SWIM thinks about getting caught, thinks about this being compared to a near death experience and at the time agrees but in retrospect has no idea why, not ever having had a NDE.

0:07 Opens his eyes to see a mosquito on his shirt. Swats at it. Looks at his watch, sees seven minutes have passed. Where did they go? What did SWIM do? He's still seated where the journey began. But 7 minutes? WTF? SWIM remembers crossing his legs and rubbing his head and telling him self just to let the experience do its thing. SWIM was expecting to have thoughts more quickly than usual. It feels much much slower, like SWIM briefly thought of maybe 5 things during that 7 minutes. It seems SWIM has travelled to the future or was stuck in slow motion while the rest of the world went on around him. At least one mosquito is still buzzing about. He decides to head in to avoid the squeeters.

0:10 When SWIM entered his home everything seemed much more luminous than usual. He is on his bed just trying to relax and think about the experience.

0:15 SWIM is thinking he's pretty sober. But then he looks at one of the faces on one of the posters on his ceiling and starts laughing to himself as he thinks 'Ha, I know what you are (the ceiling)! You are just an upside down floor!' The poster stuck to roof made SWIM think that it would look the same if the image was laying flat on the floor... Anyways, SWIM was not quite back yet. Ego is clearly still fully intact. He is thinking in terms of what the substance did/could do for him.

0:20 SWIM picks up his guitar and writes a song, feeling very much back in reality.

1:00 Mild head buzz, but otherwise normal.

Conclusion: SWIM was expecting drastic alteration, which he got. Reminded him slightly of experiences with salvia in regards to time flying by. But the experience was definitely unique. He was surprised by the slow thought process. Light open eye visuals were apparent, didn't notice CEVs. SWIM wonders what he did during the experience in all the missing time and is considering video recording a future experiment (don't worry it won't end up on youtube). SWIM wouldn't recommend this to anyone but dedicated psychonauts who aren't bothered by being immobile, possibly unable to speak, and totally absorbed for up to 15 minutes. If SWIY enjoys utter mind molestation, then one may enjoy this. SWIM doesn't feel he learned much from the experience, but it was still interesting. And he is sure the experience influenced the song he wrote. He will probably try again in the future with a higher dose.

Reputation Comments on this post:

	great tr!
	nice report. thanks.

[69Ron]

Try taking it sublingually. SWIM found that method produces the best results. It's more euphoric, more pleasantly psychedelic in an LSD-like fashion, and less disorienting that way.

SWIM absolutely hates the effects of freebase 5-MeO-DMT when smoked, but loves it when taking it sublingually as 5-MeO-DMT fumarate. The difference is night and day!

SWIM’s 5-MeO-DMT is 100% natural, so he’ll not post his experience here. I’m just saying, with 5-MeO-DMT, you’re missing the boat if you smoke it. It should be taken sublingually for maximum effects. Smoking it is like getting hit in the head with a psychedelic bomb, it’s just unpleasant. It’s most pleasant when taken sublingually, almost like a mini LSD trip, very euphoric, very psychedelic, producing lots of insight effects, and it’s an easily handled experience. Smoking it just doesn’t do it justice.

Reputation Comments on this post:

Great info, as usual. Had not heard of sublingual use of this drug before.

[ODB]

Is there a way to make the freebase into the fumarate? And would you need a MAOI?

[69Ron]

Originally Posted by ODB

Is there a way to make the freebase into the fumarate? And would you need a MAOI?

You don't need an MAOI to use it sublingually. It is quite active by itself sublingually at about 2-15 mg. But orally you do need an MAOI, unless you take massive doses.

When taking it sublingually, an MAOI would make it about 2 times stronger, and make the effects last about 2-3 times longer, and make it more DMT-like. But again, you don't need an MAOI for sublingual use.

You can use it in freebase form, but it burns quite a bit. SWIM can handle it though. If you can handle jalapenos, you can handle freebase 5-MeO-DMT in your mouth or in your nose. It’s more painful in the nose though.

You can make it into 5-MeO-DMT fumarate or 5-MeO-DMT citrate, or 5-MeO-DMT acetate, or any other salt form just by mixing it with the acid and a little water. Then you let it dry out. This way it doesn’t burn at all.

For example you can mix it with vinegar and let the vinegar evaporate to get 5-MeO-DMT acetate. Just add enough vinegar to dissolve all of it and then dry it out. That works just as well as 5-MeO-DMT fumarate, but its not as stable so it’s not good to store it that way for several years.

[Euphoric]

I could not find any 5-meo-dmt sublingual trip reports here. There were only a couple on erowid. 69Ron, if SWIY has any, please be so kind as to share them. What is the common dosage range and duration of action and other general info for this route?

[ODB]

69ron, thank you. My wookie will be happy to know and experiment with the subligual. The ewok village is exited to hear this info. Once again thanks for the info.

[Euphoric]

Any sublingual reports? Rep will be generously given for good reports.

[0utrider]

whats the big difference between synthetic or non-synth. ? or is there yet to find out if there is one?

[Pietttaimf]

There is no difference between synthetic and natural 5-meo-dmt, it is both 5-meo-dmt.
But if SWIY is going to consume plant material it is likely that swiy ingests other alkaloids too and these can propably cause a different experience.

[ODB]

Originally Posted by ODB

So my monkey and my jackass have been playing with some pure synthetic 5-meo-dmt. its the hcl salt(mustard kinda color) so they must snort it. I was told its not at all visual and complete euphoria, but nothing like mdma euphoria. My monkey told me that a downtown crack in the sidewalk didn't like it cause it didn't leave you wanting more. Anyways, perhaps I will train em to write a trip report.

WHY DID I GET NEGATIVE REP POINTS FOR THAT POST?!?!?!?!?

What kind of bullshit is that? Who ever gave me the negative rep points should man up and say who the fuck you are. Or are you just trolling? Chicken shit.

[Euphoric]

Male, 23, 150 lbs

12mg give or take 2mg

12mg of 5-meo-dmt was loaded into a pipe. The pipe may have had small remnants of marijuana, salvia and aroma smoking blend in it.

SWIM is excited to try this at a higher dose than his last (and first) experience, which has around 6mg (see previous report in this thread). The podcast 'the entheogenic evolution' had re-piqued SWIM's interest in this substance. Particularly the show entitled "5-MeO-DMT, the God Molecule with James Oroc". SWIM is interested in spiritual/mystical experiences, though he is not religious.

t - 0:02-0:00 SWIM is nervous. He considers his intentions for taking this substance. "Exploring/expanding the mind, and having a positive, powerful and moving experience." he tells himself. It is a beautiful sunny day. He goes out into his garden and his black lab type dog follows. SWIM finds a spot hidden from neighbours view and sits on a lawn chair.

t 0:00 SWIM applies the flame and is staring at the bowl. The mass of yellow/brownish fine crystals disappears into black very quickly. SWIM is inhaling slowly. He reapplies the flame to the black mass in case he is missing something. He is still on his same inward breath. Satisfied all the 5-meo-dmt has been burned and inhaled, he holds his breath and stares at the trees ahead. He notices they start to look different. He holds his breath for a bit longer but is nervous about the fast onset and rapid changes in perception and thought. He releases the inhalation.

t + 0:01 Things look different. Brighter and more interesting but visuals are not wild.

t + 0:02-0:07 During this period SWIM wonders if he has killed himself or lost his mind. He lies face first in the grass. He tells himself not to fight anything, to let the experience take over. SWIM is overwhelmed by the crippling power of the substance. Nothing could prepare anyone for this, he thinks. He takes off his earphones that are playing MGMT's album 'Oracular Spectacular'. He puts them back in. He doesn't remember any reasoning that inspired these actions. Except thinking music would be familiar and comforting. He looks at his watch wondering how long he's been like this and how much longer it will last.

t + 0:08 SWIM is back in the chair. Things continue to look brighter and indescribably different. He closes his eyes. There is some sort of colourful kaleidoscope with eyes closed but the imagery doesn't hold SWIM's attention. He wants to look out at nature. SWIM feels like he has had maybe one minutes worth of thoughts in the past 8 minutes.

t + 0:10 SWIM's dog approaches him and SWIM pets him for a few minutes. The dog feels especially good. The dog is not really SWIM's but belongs to the cohabitants and the dog is never affectionate like this, in fact it usually seems quite miserable unless the true owner is around. SWIM enjoys petting the dog. The dog goes to the door signaling that he wants in. SWIM thinks he should get up and let the dog in, given that SWIM feels the dog has somehow just done something for SWIM. SWIM takes a few seconds to gather his thoughts and his things and then goes in with the dog.

t + 0:12 SWIM can't stop smiling. He is in awe at the experience. He is still high but can move and feels near ecstatic. Mostly because of a head buzz and because of the relief of getting through the scarier parts of the experience. It is a bit like the relief when you go bungee jumping and think you may hit the ground as you speed down towards it, then then you get snapped up by the cord and you realize you are not in fact going to die. The relief of not knowing that you will not die is what SWIM feels there is a slight similarity to here. He lays down on his bed to listen to music with eyes closed. to feel good and relax.

t + 0:15 He remembers reading very recently on erowid that this substance can be erotic. He decides to explore that and pleasures himself. Touch feels better and he achieves a good orgasm in quicker time than usual.

t + 0:20 SWIM eats some strawberries and has some tea. Mood is lifted. He feels functional now and thinks about what to tackle next.

t + 1:00 SWIM feels entirely functional but continues to be in better spirits.

Conclusion:

He is still unclear about what if anything the experience has taught him. He is reminded that 5-meo-dmt is not a recreational substance and is not to be taken lightly. He is disappointed with a lack of spiritual/mystical experience/insight. He is glad he had the experience. He will try again. He has been wanting to try it sublingually but cannot find good info on dosing with that route, but he will probably try that route next time, regardless. If he increases the dose, he will make sure a sitter is present.

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Good report, thanks

[theonethatgotaway]

Swim purchased 100mg from an online vendor and made 10 doses eyeballed.here is the report.The substance looks whitish ,and it doesn't smell at all.
The ambient was swim's home ,so pretty friendly.Swim put some progressive house and trance music,which is very trippy for him btw
Swin as 1.8 m tall and haves 100 kg give or take 5 kg.
first dose: 10mg smoked in a water bong with a torch lighter,with some sencation blackberry to keep the 5meodmt from melting through the screen.
t+00: swim takes 2 big hits the effect was noticed right after exhalation .The smoke tastes like a burned plastic or so but it's not very bad.
t+1 min: feels a lot of euphoria waves through his entire body also some weird thoughts
t+3 min: swim sinks into the couch ,the rush was very intense and fast going up
t+3 to + 30:.swim looks at his room it looks weird,nice but weird,it's very hard to explain,his room looks like is made from sand and the walls are slowly washed away by the wind,and the walls were keep bending left-right like a tree in the wind.It was mind blowing.
Swim lost the notion of time,he didn't know when 30 mins past away
t+31: swim comes back to normal ,however a mild buzz is still there


Second doze:15mg eyeballed smoked with some sencation.
t+00 min: 2 big hits and the rush is instant
t+1 min: swim still feels coming up,a bit more intense then the first time
t+5 min: Still going up,however no oev but a lot of cev like circles and different geometrical figures.
t+10min: The OEV starts and swim looks at the wall and he sees some writings on the wall,and he thinks that the wall is trying to communicate with him,and this thought was real to swim and when swim realized this he thought that this was the funniest thing he ever thought and start laughing pretty hard.Lots of waves of coming up and down.
t+ 15-20 min : Swim thought the effect is almost gone and he goes to the computer to change the music and when he touched the ground his footsteps leaved trails on the carpet ,something similar when walking in a 2cm deep water and his pc looks like a different one,like is not his,the desktop looked different ,more colorful as well as everything else.
t+30-35 mins swim is back to normal with a mild buzz as well.

Swim enjoyed both experiences however the first one with the 10 mg doze was better,more clear minded ,the 15mg doze was a bit of mind fuck but was good also.
Swim will try next 5mg of 5meo dmt with 2-3 mg jhw018 and will make a brief report if anyone would be interested.
This substance is pretty powerful as such low doses and interesting to explore,too bad is so short lasting.Is there any way swim can make a longer trip with this rc?
Swim hopes jhw018 will do the trick

Reputation Comments on this post:

	Thanks for the reports. It would be useful to know how much time there was between the two trials.
	Very interesting reports, thanks

[Euphoric]

Originally Posted by theonethatgotaway

This substance is pretty powerful as such low doses and interesting to explore,too bad is so short lasting.Is there any way swim can make a longer trip with this rc?

It has been said elsewhere in these forums that it can be taken sublingually for a longer yet milder trip. Details have been hard to come across though, specifically in regards to dosages and duration.

[theonethatgotaway]

the time between these 2 sessions was about 2 hours.
thanks 4 your advice Euphoric.