Addiction Potential (Insufflation)

[samgriffin]

regarding the method of insufflation how bad is heroin compared to hydromorphone insufflation... I would never IV heroin as I believe that is giving up on life and I would never IV any other substance just because of the dangers and how much more intense it is...

I do hydromorphone on a regular basis and I CWE oxycodone out of percocets and have yet to actually do oxys/ocs... I have done lorazepam a few times never really got high just puked the next day... I've done e a few times and K twice as well as numerous mushrooms and weed and alcohol

How is it in comparison to cocaine insufflation as well

[Orchid_Suspiria]

So iving heroin is giving up on life but using an opiate with very similar effects and feel isn't?Swim isn't so sure he agrees with this reasoning.Insuffulating heroin can be pretty good provided it is decent quality heroin.Swim used to get some very good greyish powder heroin and a bump of it almost had that rush that one only gets from slamming it.Ofcourse insuffulating heroin lead to injecting it in swims case.

[samuraigecko]

snorting any opiate is exactly the same as snorting any other opiate (except those you cant snort, like codeine). snorting Oxycodone or Hydromorphone or Hydrocodone is no different than snorting H4 . . . snorting H3 is by far heaps worse, SWIyou do not get as much of an effect from it as compared to snorting H4.

The addiction potential is exactly the same with all of the above mentioned opiates. Snorting Heroin is no more or no less addictive than snorting those other opiates. And if SWIyou think that snorting poses less of an addiction potential then SWIyou are mistaken, with any opiate.

Hope this has been of help

[Solinari]

Addiction potential is the same with pretty much any method of ingestion, if something can cause physical or even mental dependence then it will cause physical or mental dependence regardless of how it's ingested.

It all ends up in the blood stream one way or another.

[samgriffin]

sry for being ill informed im gonna stay away i guess then

[samgriffin]

EDIT: H3 = Hydromorph H4= Heroin? yes?

[samuraigecko]

Originally Posted by samgriffin

EDIT: H3 = Hydromorph H4= Heroin? yes?

No

H3 = Heroin #3 which is insoluble in water without an added acid like citric. "Brown Sugar" commonly available in the UK and Europe.

H4 = Heroin #4 which IS soluble in water and is usually wither a light beige or white. No added acid is needed for it to be suitable for injection.

They are different levels of how the Heroin is refined.

Hope this has helped

[Metomni]

"Snorting Heroin is no more or no less addictive than snorting those other opiates."

Really? SWIM had been snorting several 5 mg oxycodones a night over a couple weeks. After he stopped he felt no withdrawal symptoms whatsoever, absolutely nothing. Throughout his binge he did not ever wake up craving. He only did them at night because they don't feel safe to drive on, so he didn't do them before going to class and work. Throughout the day, he never craved them either. He did them at night because they felt oh so wonderful and helped him get some amazing sleep. He never broke that pattern, which he assumes he would have if he had been addicted. It was fairly easy to keep it from becoming an all-day thing.

SWIM imagines Heroin being much more addictive than those were.

[samuraigecko]

Originally Posted by Metomni

SWIM had been snorting several 5 mg oxycodones a night over a couple weeks.

Not very high dosages and not nearly enough time to even gauge any real effects. the Oxycodone 5mg IRs have a binder in them, though insuffulation does work with them SWIyou would not get even half the real effect unless it was separated from the binder. How this is done has been shown in many other threads.

Originally Posted by Metomni

After he stopped he felt no withdrawal symptoms whatsoever, absolutely nothing.

with such small dosages one is not surprised.

Originally Posted by Metomni

Throughout his binge he did not ever wake up craving.

Of course SWIyou didnt, craving only happens DURING wd not during the binge itself. It usually takes around 8 to 12 hours after a dosage to feel any type of craving once one has become addicted.

Originally Posted by Metomni

He only did them at night because they don't feel safe to drive on,

good responsible and safe choice. SWIM commends SWIyou on this

Originally Posted by Metomni

SWIM imagines Heroin being much more addictive than those were.

No, SWIM is an OPIATE addict himself. In other words he will take what he gets. Heroin is great, Oxycodone is almost the same. From 20 years of experience SWIM can tell SWIyou that neither is any more or any less addictive than the other. The only things that happened are that SWIYou probably had a low opiate tolerance and therefor a few 5mg Oxycodones snorted were sufficient (most other addicts and recreational users would scoff at that dosage). The Oxycodone 5mg are all either in binders (like OxyNorm Hcl) or in an APAP (if in the states) like percocet etc. If SWIyou are in the states an APAP would be present and therefor also partially block the insuffulation because APAPs are not water soluble and therefor not soluble in SWIyour sinus to pass the sinus barrier either. Other pills like Oxycontin however contain no APAP but do contain a time release mechanism (usually a wax) this is easily overcome by crushing the pill up into a VERY fine powder. If SWIYou get the chance, get an Oxycontin 20mg. Take the coating off with a wet tissue then dry the pill IMMEDIATELY. crush up into fine powder, then divide it into 4 lines. This will give SWIyou roughly 5mg per line. Snort that and tell me that it feels the same as snorting an IR like OxyNorm or Endone etc . . . LOL. Ones bet is that SWIyou would be rather surprised at the result.

No opiate is any less addictive than another, to think so after all of the evidence that is out there is sheer folly.

Hope this has been of help.

[Metomni]

"Not very high dosages and not nearly enough time to even gauge any real effects. the Oxycodone 5mg IRs have a binder in them, though insuffulation does work with them SWIyou would not get even half the real effect unless it was separated from the binder. How this is done has been shown in many other threads."

AH! Out of all the classes of drugs, SWIM is least experienced with Opiates, though he's very interested in Opium and he greatly enjoys the pills, he really has not done very many at all. SWIM will look for how to seperate them, thanks for that.

How would SWIY describe the feeling of snorting the crushed up pill compared to snorting them while they're seperated? SWIM will figure out how to do it himself, but is curious what SWIY thinks as it seems they're very experienced with opiates.

"No, SWIM is an OPIATE addict himself. In other words he will take what he gets. Heroin is great, Oxycodone is almost the same. From 20 years of experience SWIM can tell SWIyou that neither is any more or any less addictive than the other. The only things that happened are that SWIYou probably had a low opiate tolerance and therefor a few 5mg Oxycodones snorted were sufficient (most other addicts and recreational users would scoff at that dosage). The Oxycodone 5mg are all either in binders (like OxyNorm Hcl) or in an APAP (if in the states) like percocet etc. If SWIyou are in the states an APAP would be present and therefor also partially block the insuffulation because APAPs are not water soluble and therefor not soluble in SWIyour sinus to pass the sinus barrier either. Other pills like Oxycontin however contain no APAP but do contain a time release mechanism (usually a wax) this is easily overcome by crushing the pill up into a VERY fine powder. If SWIYou get the chance, get an Oxycontin 20mg. Take the coating off with a wet tissue then dry the pill IMMEDIATELY. crush up into fine powder, then divide it into 4 lines. This will give SWIyou roughly 5mg per line. Snort that and tell me that it feels the same as snorting an IR like OxyNorm or Endone etc . . . LOL. Ones bet is that SWIyou would be rather surprised at the result."

SWIM will have to try that with the Oxycontin, many thanks! Just so SWIY knows SWIM had percocet's, so yeah, SWIY was right.

[samuraigecko]

IR pills are separated from their binder using an acid like citric.

An example would be like H3 (Heroin #3) is not very soluble in water until citric acid is added. If the same was done with a powdered IR pill then the opiate will separate from the filler. All that would need be done then is to filter the liquid into a syringe like a H user would with a balled piece of cotton or a pill filter. This liquid would then be squirted back out onto a spoon or something similar and left to dry. The result will crystallize into the pure form.

Hope this has helped.