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Old 19-02-2008, 01:21
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Heroin and Life?

Can you be a Heroin user and still live a normal life? Everywhere swim reads he hears people lost everything because of it but swim knows people who smoke crack almost everyday and still go to work and live normal lives or is that maybe not possible with a heroin addiction? (Swim knows the drugs are different but was kinda just using it as a comparison to addiction and life)
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Old 19-02-2008, 06:27
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Re: Heroin and Life?

SWIM's never done heroin but is sure it is possible as long as one controls the drug usage. It's untrue that everyone loses everything to it. Many people can control themselves and their usage and live normal lives.

If SWIY is talking about living a normal life whilst addicted, it is definitely possible if you have a lot of money, but for most the lifestyle can not be sustained for too long. Swim supposes this is because the drug takes a more central point in the addicts life and other things that may have once been importatn (money, family etc.) are of little importance in comparison, so they getpushed into the background most likely impacting upon them in a negative way.
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Old 19-02-2008, 07:50
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Re: Heroin and Life?

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Can you be a Heroin user and still live a normal life? Everywhere swim reads he hears people lost everything because of it but swim knows people who smoke crack almost everyday and still go to work and live normal lives or is that maybe not possible with a heroin addiction? (Swim knows the drugs are different but was kinda just using it as a comparison to addiction and life)
It all depends on the person in question. Each individual person will have a different level of will power.

Most people on crack are crack heads, but this is not true for ALL people on crack. Even tho ones whom SEEM to have it under control probably spend money that they shouldnt on their addiction. Perhaps that money was supposed to go to one of their children, perhaps that money was to be used for a birthday present? but perhaps that person spent it on crack anyway and still went to work the next day to keep the money flowing in so that they can support their habit. This seems FAR from a "normal" life to SWIM.

Heroin is exactly the same. SWIM knows people whom on the outside "appear" to have it all under control even though they are daily users. But the reality of it is, they are more than often without money to do other things, they are more than often chasing the next score even before putting the needle down. These people hold jobs to pay for their habit, it is no different that a girl being a prostitute to support her habit . . It is money flowing in to be used for a specific purpose. Does that still make them junkies? . . . yes. Does it still make those other people crack heads? . . . yes.

SWIM is not trying to be offensive in any way. He is an opiate user himself and also considers himself to be an addict (with higher will power than most). This does not make him "holier than thou" because he is still, in the end, an addict. Despite his 2 houses, 2 cars, numerous motorcycles and lots of big kids toys, a great job which pays VERY well . . but . . in the end . . he still has one thing in the back of his mind . . . . . and still spends FAR too much money on it. Money that is sometimes promised to be used for something else.

"how do i get high next" . . "ive been good perhaps i should reward myself with a little taste" . . . "i really miss that feeling, just one more hit and THEN ill give up" . . .

They are all just excuses of an addict. . .

SWIMs actual answer to "can you use heroin and still live a normal life" would be NO.

This is because once SWIyou've tasted . . . things are never quite the same again, any H user will tell SWIyou that. It is a life changing experience and "normal" becomes somewhat blurred . . . . but whom is to say what normal is anyway . . .

Just ones opinion . . .


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Old 19-02-2008, 13:44
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Re: Heroin and Life?

I don't think the majority of people can sustain a heroin habit and live a "normal" life. Then again, if you have a REALLY good connection and can get decent clean pure gear, then there are probably some corporate types or white collar workers that probably take heroin on a regular basis and their family and/or colleagues are none the wiser.

Heroin addiction really only becomes a problem when the person runs out of money. It's the crime associated with heroin and the junkie label that attaches a stigma to it. I don't think EVERY one that takes heroin is a junkie, i think a junkie is someone that would snatch an old ladies hand bag so they can score, someone that doesn't give a fuck about anything but scoring. This is when their overall health deteriorates, they don't eat properly, their personal hygiene is poor or non existent and their living conditions are grim. This reminds me of a program i watched about a heroin addict using street gear and an addict that get heroin prescribed, the differences were unbelievable. The street addict had abscesses and had that gaunt appearance (you know what i mean) and the person getting it prescribed got her child back, held down a job, was clean and basically living a normal life.

Doctors and some nurses are probably another example of habitual drug users and no one is the wiser, it's because other than having a hit now and again, everything about their life appears "normal".

Personally i think we all have our vices, some people are sex addicts, some like drugs, some like rock climbing, and some like to knit.

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Old 19-02-2008, 15:41
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Re: Heroin and Life?

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Then again, if you have a REALLY good connection and can get decent clean pure gear, then there are probably some corporate types or white collar workers that probably take heroin on a regular basis and their family and/or colleagues are none the wiser.
SWIM agrees TOTALLY.
SWIM knew a guy whom used to sell to lawyers, bankers, high execs and doctors exclusively, even to members of law enforcement. Basically what one would call a "high class" drug dealer to use a strange phrase.
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Old 20-02-2008, 01:26
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Re: Heroin and Life?

Thanks for the advice and thank you samurai gecko ur advice helped swim the most he doesn't have the money you must, he is still a college student but has always been able to afford his drugs but swim understands on what your saying and appreciates it. Thank you
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Old 20-02-2008, 11:50
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Re: Heroin and Life?

money management and moderation is key. if you can pay all your bills and necessities and keep your priorities in line and do it and not become dependent you can do anything a normal person in society can do. SWIY controls SWIYs actions noone else. SWIM hopes the best 4 SWIY
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Re: Heroin and Life?

Are we talking a lifetime's worth of a normal life? Or a normal life in the present? The latter is possible. I've seen it. The former is impossible. Money may grow on trees for some people, but the physical and mental deterioration is ultimately unavoidable.
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Old 21-02-2008, 06:31
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Re: Heroin and Life?

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Are we talking a lifetime's worth of a normal life? Or a normal life in the present? The latter is possible. I've seen it. The former is impossible. Money may grow on trees for some people, but the physical and mental deterioration is ultimately unavoidable.
The latter may be possible but not sustainable. One thinks that may have been the point.

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Old 21-02-2008, 06:37
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Re: Heroin and Life?

In 1992 The New York Times carried a front-page story about a successful businessman who happened to be a regular heroin user. It began: "He is an executive in a company in New York, lives in a condo on the Upper East Side of Manhattan, drives an expensive car, plays tennis in the Hamptons and vacations with his wife in Europe and the Caribbean. But unknown to office colleagues, friends, and most of his family, the man is also a longtime heroin user. He says he finds heroin relaxing and pleasurable and has seen no reason to stop using it until the woman he recently married insisted that he do so. 'The drug is an enhancement of my life,' he said. 'I see it as similar to a guy coming home and having a drink of alcohol. Only alcohol has never done it for me.'"

The Times noted that "nearly everything about the 44-year-old executive...seems to fly in the face of widely held perceptions about heroin users." The reporter who wrote the story and his editors seemed uncomfortable with contradicting official anti-drug propaganda, which depicts heroin use as incompatible with a satisfying, productive life. The headline read, "Executive's Secret Struggle With Heroin's Powerful Grip," which sounds more like a cautionary tale than a success story. And the Times hastened to add that heroin users "are flirting with disaster." It

conceded that "heroin does not damage the organs as, for instance, heavy alcohol use does." But it cited the risk of arrest, overdose, AIDS, and hepatitis -- without noting that all of these risks are created or exacerbated by prohibition.

http://www.reason.com/news/show/28809.html

(sorry, couldn't find the original New York Times article)

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