Combinations - freebase meth/mdma?

[Sasha Gulag]

i know freebase meth is an oil, can it be smoked. i can imagine putting some in an eyedropper and administering it into the pipe. is it better than smoking crystal?? can it be solidified if the ph is increased??


free base mdma is anotehr thing ive been thinking about. some people say its a waste of good xtc but has anyone actually smoked the stuff?what about other freebase amphetamines TMA, MMDA etc..


im just curious really.

[moeBius]

i dont think that a substabce in its freebase-form is automatically smokeable. mdma cannot be smoked iirc.

apart from that smoking is not really a good way of consuming, especially when it comes to doses >50mg.

[ChemicallyBound]

you can freebase meth"crank" , oil is just the liquid form of the solid crystal. you can basify to freebase , you can solidify by lowering the temperature or extracting correctly


you can do the same to mdma, the poor little methylene bridge is going to be more suseptible to heat degradation

[Eirias]

Swim has tried smoking freebase MDA (as well as MD(M)A HCl),
with predictable, active, yet overall unimpressive effects. IMO
it's a waste-- if you need a shorter, quicker roll then try
insufflation (snorting). Once when swim had trouble xtallizing
his MDA, he just put some freebase oil in a vial and would take a few
drops as needed. Rapid onset, neat licorice taste, and a bit of
local anaesthesia on the tongue-- but of course it's no good for
encapsulating or putting into tablets. Also, it seemed to
"degrade" after a few weeks when not kept airtight and super cold in
freezer, don;t know why but it the MDA oil markedly lost it's potency
after some time.

Swim has no experience with meth oil, so asessments cannot be made.

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[just12b4gotn]

You may also want to consider that since some people have a body chemistry that is hypersensitive to certain things, that the rapid delivery by smoking MDMA could have grave consequences.


Smoking any crystalline substance such as meth has a profoundly negative impact on the lungs, and the high is of a much shorter duration. In addition, it will require increased dosages for the desired effects, so that one could say that you were wasting it.


The "if some is good more is better" approach will end up costing you.

[BX EMPEROR]

if u want to smoke meth just get methamphetamine hcl crystals, not freebase.... although i assume it is possible why would u go through all the trouble if u can just smoke the hcl xtals?

[Sasha Gulag]

whoah, just curious. i used to like smoking coke a lot but that was a few years a go. the thing w/ SWIM is he discoverd the needle a few years back and since then nothing has the same kick. SWIM opened 75mg dex capsule slammed more than half with 2 dimes of H, besides coke thats the only non-oral stimulant use SWIM has ever known. where SWIM lives (big noreastern city in US)meth is like finding diamonds on thesidewalk. everyone prefers coke, i guess. the only people really into meth up here are gay guys. its big in the clubs, supposedly.

[Eirias]

Funny-- in the western US, meth is by FAR the largest/most
available drug, perhaps after cannabis. It is everywhere.

Swim has tried speedballs (H + coke) several times, and meth + H
once or twice. Speedballs scared the shit out of swim the 1st few
times, but after awhile swim enjoyed and even longed for the rush.

A friend from New Jersey once met up with swim at Burning Man
and proudly pulled out his "speed". It was ridiculously cut, and
when vaporization was attempted it turned black and crispy. The
friend had never seen the large, glass-like shards of meth that are
common in the West, and he was impressed and amazed when some was
smoked and the crystals liqufied into a clear puddle and then
rextalized upon cooling.

BTW Sasha Gulag, what the hell form of dexedrine is in fucking
75mg. capsules?!? I have seen dexedrine tablets (orange trangles
with SKG on them) and dexedrine spansules (sustained release capsule
form) in I believe up to 20mg., and Adderall in up to 30mg.
tablets. I can't recall how high the potency of the
sustained-release Adderall goes (30mg. I believe), but it's definitely
not 75mg. and the little coated balls inside the Adderall capsules
aren't good for anything really besides swallowing. It's not that
I don't believe you, I'm just curious-- that's a really large amount of
dex for a single pill!! Perhaps it's a new formulation or from a
foreign pharmacy?

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[Eirias]

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Oh yeah, swim also vaporized 5-MeO-DIPT a few times-- active, somewhat
more "body" oriented and less psychedelic than oral consumption--
definitely a novelty, but not much more than that. Using 15mg. of
a rare and wonderful compound such as this for a few hits of novelty
rush is IMO a waste, as it would be much more preferable swallowed,
producing a mild to moderate classic 'foxy' experience.

I'm sure that a variety of tryptamines and phenethylamines are
somewhat active when smoked, but the larger the molecule the less
potential for activity and the greater potential for degradation upon
heat application. Where it gets interesting is when a substance
has a potent and/or unique effect when vaporized that is significantly
different from when it is eaten. If the example of n,n-DMT is
used, compare and contrast the qualities of a smoked 15min. DMT lauch
to that of ayhuasca. Oral 5-MeO-DMT vs. smoked 5-MeO is markedly
different as well.

There was once a claim that DIPT (n,n-diisopropyltryptamine),
which has relatively mild and rather unprofound, non-psychedelic
effects when eaten, was intensely psychedelic and produced a trip that
was "DMT-like" when smoked. It has yet to be verified, and I
think some psychonauts tried to imitate the experiment with no profound
results, but the point is that it illustrates the possibility that
there could be a whole new avenue of experience locked away inside some
entheogen.

The danger lies in proceeding with caution, and hopefully
preventing someone from recklessly mimicking an experiment, presuming
to induce identical effects but resulting in negative consequences (the
snorting of 2C-T-7 sticks out as a particularly unfortunate example of
what I'm talking about).

[enquirewithin]

There are many accounts of DIPT being relatively inactive taken orally
(as in Pinchbeck's "Breaking Open the Head"), but being very intense
insufflated. Smoking reportedly gives a slightly shorter more intense
experience.



Some people say that short-acting tryptamines, like DET, DMT and DIPT all give access to a special space.

[tweakerfrommars]

Ahh, Houston was great. Meth everywhere (my former drug of choice and also coke whenever you needed it, being near the Gulf. Nothing was scarce. Good coke was hard to get...on the other hand, good meth wasn't.


I live in Arkansas now, and apparently I'm walking around on top of some huge-ass hidden meth mine, because it's supposed to be here and I haven't seen any.