A couple of questions?

[23year habit]

Can anyone please tell my friend what black tar is? Is it the stuff Kurt Cobain
the singer was using, is it low grade horse? Also does someone know what cut makes powder heroin have swirly lines when smoked on foil it also has shiny crystals you can see. Can anyone help to answer this, my friend would appreciate it. Thanks.
P.S. My friend is in the U.K.

[Apprentice]

Im pretty sure black tar you might be referring to is a form of heroin SWIM bought several years ago and for example a score deal looked and felt like approx a healthy joints worth of what looked and felt like some type of 'soft black' hash.

When SWIM first ever seen it he thought someone was trying to mug him of for his cash by selling hash on the pretence it really was H,lol,so SWIM made the guy put the brown/black hash looking stuff on the foil and sure enough SWIM had his 1st encounter with what he in Glasgow refer to as Black Tar but SWIM aint seen or heard of it in these parts ever since,it came around once for a few months a then vanished just like when SWIM had a nice supply of 'China White' that dried up all to soon.SWIM just sticks to smoking marijauan these days though,but he still has ppl he knows in the scene and they aint heard of it round here for years.It was great stuff for smoking or injecting SWIM assures me.Cheers,i hope the black tar your talkin about is the same stuff iv described other wise SWIM aint tried it...

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[samuraigecko]

Black tar is a less refined form of Heroin. Usually produced rather cheaply in Mexico and other South American countries. SWIM and others have jokingly referred to it as Heroin #3.5 in the chem section . . .

Hope this has been of help

[Solinari]

3.5, i would of thought more like 2.5, is it supposed to be better than brown Afghan? I imagine it would be consistently purer, but more refined, i have no idea.

The 'china white' was around when my friends first encounter with heroin (same area by the way), he always thought it tasted like proper candy, the gear these days doesn't taste like that any more. But i have heard first timers saying the gear about now still tastes like candy, i don't know, maybe people with a habit get used to the taste and that candy taste goes away forever.

[samuraigecko]

Originally Posted by Solinari

3.5, i would of thought more like 2.5, is it supposed to be better than brown Afghan? I imagine it would be consistently purer, but more refined, i have no idea . .

No . . black tar is a less refined form of H4, or a more refined form of H3 depending on how you look at it.

Black tar is in fact only 2 simple steps away from being real H4 one doesnt understand why they do not perform these two small steps, perhaps it is not "cost effective" for this particular part of the black market.

[adzket]

23yr habbit
what do you meen by swirly lines exsactly? also if swiy is in the uk people have been cuting h with subutext recently this could be giving you the cristaly look or maybe they have already put a bit of citric acid in it as that is also cristals.

[23year habit]

Cheers for all your replies, thanks. See, on tv they talked about black tar and said it was a very nasty H cut with peices of records or coal dust mainly, any crap they could get in there. Guess swim means opium? When there was a bad drought on, swim had this - he thinks it tasted like marzipan. Swim means by the swirly lines they don't run clear or dark as you would expect but they stay swirly all the way to the last line on the foil, it also seems to take the strength away. The crystals seem to cause the swirls it also gives you trapped wind. Swim has been told it could be meth amphetamine...has anyone heard of this in the uk? Thanks again. Swim thinks the H has went down hill in the last 2 to 3 years. Swim has to knuckle down and try to do a rattle now, forced in to it, money probs. Not ideal really as swim is not ready and getting into treatment is so far away. Suicide sunday. Oh well, it wont kill swim..... but will be f***ing hard.

[adzket]

it's not finatualy viable to cut it with cristal meth, they would get beter price for clean h or for meth plus meths not that widly avalible yet in the uk plus swim emagins this woul be like doing crack and h .

[23year habit]

Thanks, maybe you're right, swim agrees. Probably it is subutex, naughty really the money they get, why not just leave it alone, better product safer product.

[Solinari]

I find it very unlikely any dealer would cut their gear with subutex, that would be like adding naltrexone to your smack to bulk it up, seems stupid to me.

Anyone with a habit would be put in to withdrawal if enough subutex was cut in to the gear and that would be bad for business. The dealer them self would have to be complete retard to even consider it as well, most people (with a habit) know what subutex will do to someone with a habit.

[23year habit]

Swim is from Liverpool originally but moved for rehab, it didnt work but swim stayed in the Bristol area afterwards.
Yea, the subys all seem to be given on the premises, so swim will only take it on the foil now, dont want to be putting sh*t into veins. Paracetamol OD very nasty death. The crystals seem to be in all of it, even very rocky kit. Swim thinks it might be done at source country of origin.