Frequency of Research Chemicals Use

[bewilderment]

Originally Posted by _caesar_

SWIMS recently discovered sources so there is a certain novalty there at the moment since. Meaning once a week or so.

I think everything in moderation though.

I was speculating on the Shulgins lately, anyone have any idea how often they experiment with compounds?.

I don't know how often they use in general, but I've read a number of times that they usually don't use one particular substance over and over again. They use it just enough times to understand the effects and then move on. I believe Sasha once was asked what his favorite compound was and he said something along the lines of "which over one I am currently working on!" expressing his enthusiasm for novelty. Also, I know that their home/lab has been raided once or twice, but they were clean. They may have had precursors or even perhaps drugs that no one knew anything about yet, but they were not arrested for anything. Although, I also recall that when asked in an interview whether the pleasure of tripping diminishes as one grows older and they replied something like "definately not." So, one would think semi-regularly but with a wide range of things, of course.

[Richard_smoker]

SWIM says that you're right about the unofficial primate research being done underground and reported on underground websites like this one, for example. the thing that sucks the most about this kind of 'research' is that instead of killing rats, then dogs, then monkeys... we're killing each other (well sorta... at least we have to read about people going to the ER or to an early death)


However, it's sad that the many MANY chem's that actually HAVE been tested extensively are the very same ones that are illegal to play with! I know, it's probably a burned-out old topic, but to date, no one has come up with a solution to the problem... I still think that government doesn't give a sh_t (can we curse on here??) about its citizens' well-being... in fact, the only way we can get their attention about anything at all, it seems, is if it puts money into their pockets. Maybe we should all be pushing a little bit harder towards legalization & taxation of the biggest, most unregulated, and thus--most dangerous enterprise in the world... (after all, it's another way of saying, "Here's a SH_TLOAD of$$ for your pockets!)


just a thought.

[DB Cooper]

Sometimes I binge, sometimes its months before I dose. Sometimes
I trip just for fun, because tripping is fun. An interesting note
though would be, do you trip on RC's once a month but eat acid or
shrooms the other weekends?



The way I go by it is kinda like this. I forget the exact quote,
but Kesey said it. Theres no point in opening doors if its the
same one over and over. So as long as I feel Im making progress,
Ill eat em whenever I fancy. Although doing important things
after being cracked out from a psychedelic night does tend to suck.

[Tony Blair]

Once every 4-5 weeks, dont want to get bored of the molecule, so make sure its going to be one hell of a good time

[Richard_smoker]

I think that's a good plan megalev... fortunately (from the standpoint of a chance that they're causingany long-term damage), most of them (PEAs, Tryp's)do tend toget boring, like it's the same thing over and over... not really sure why that is... I've never heard of that from other more mainstream, 'ILLEGAL' things.


However, I remember that back in the 80's when MDMA was legal, that people frequently reported using it (pure) for an extended period of time, and then suddenly being bored with it--like it had lost its magic forever.


Then, after the illegalization, pills were popping up everywhere that had God-only-knows-what mixed up together into a nice, fancy feel-good concoction. The effects of these, of course, were sometimes good, sometimes terrible. Some people liked the lightning bolts, other people liked the energizer bunnies... So, I think what we have seen is LOTS more complicated contaminants in pills over the last 20 years than anyone really realizes. It's really not possible to test for each and every psychoactive chemical, only the ones that you actually know about. The vast majority of contaminants are labeled as "unknown" or "contaminant" when they were more than likely such chems as BZP or AMT (that is, before both chems were heavily advertised and surfaced as 'research chems')--think about it: the 'energizer bunnies' (from mid 90's) were SO POPULAR... everyone had to have one. why? because you 'roll' for 12-14 hours straight. The only way that would be possible is to have some super-long-lasting 'contaminant' in the psychedelic amphetamine-type class; or just something like speed and AMT. Nobody ever thought of legal 'chemicals' ever being present... so, the subjective effects were things like "wow, i'm rolling sooo hard," or "this is a trippy roll--there must be some acid in it, or mabye it's MDA not MDMA." or (my personal favorite)--"woah, this shit is SOOO relaxing... I think these pills are basically pure heroin."


-Shem

[GETERDN]

When i first got ahold of rcs, I found myself doing it like 5 times the first week, but after that initial line of doses, i was doing it much less.


Its all about self control, thoes things can be fun but you got to stay under the line of abuse, switch to something else in between your rcs, something else recreational...like other people in this topic say, dont wanna get bored of it :P

[big-lester]

I just started doing RC's a week ago, We bought some 2c-e and I did it
about 3 times now but we are almost out of 2c-e so I won't do it for a
while, 1 month or so on then we'll have nothing left

[astenu]

normally once a month. that way tolerance does't develop and the substance will be equally satisfying each time

[Sklander]

[QUOTE=shemmy](my personal favorite)--"woah, this shit is SOOO relaxing... I think these pills are basically pure heroin."/QUOTE]


WHOA WHOA WHOA! You're telling me SWIMs dealer was lying to him?Nah... No way...

[chao]

swim used RCs once a week every week for two monthuntil he started to feel the consequnces.


swim has limited this to once in two weeks with occasional one month pause which seems a reasonable and healthy frequency.

[Nagognog2]

Could you be more specific regarding "the consequences?" It's fine and well to use such as a premise, but you are leaving out the bulk of information that backs up your statement.

[chao]

Originally Posted by nagognog2

Could you be more specific regarding "the consequences?" It's fine and well to use such as a premise, but you are leaving out the bulk of information that backs up your statement.

First consequnce is obvious. swim never actualy completly got out of the trip. Before the effects were completly cleared, reinforcements were send in the stomach.


I'm not sure if the second problem can be blamed on the RC consumption. Chronic numbness of two fingers on the left hand, starting some two weeks some two after the first tryout, anddrasticaly improvedshortly after first abstinece period began.


Thelastmay look a little bit weird. swim noticed phisycal changes in the body appereance. enlarged abdomen and poise change, or maybe just one of the two... not sure, but I think you got the picture. Swim was turning into "hungry child from africa"fugure.


Anyway there were no nasty psychical cosequences as it was the case when swim exaggerated with exctasy cunsuming, so no behaviour and mood disturbances.


And yes, I'm talking about 2c-t-7 and 5-meo-MIPT

[Sklander]

Moderation is the key. The only problem is people's differing views of "moderation".

[Beeker]

SWIM could see myself doing some of the new RC stimulants and MDMA wannabe's several times a week but SWIM don't have any nor will SWIM anytime soon.

2c-i 2 times a month once..

4 times a year with a ++++ hoping for +++++
once a month with a ++ to +++ usuallly 2c-i or 2c-e

and beer as needed for SWIM..

[treefingers49]

Originally Posted by Raedon

I could see myself doing some of the new RC stimulants and MDMA wannabe's several times a week but I don't have any nor will I anytime soon.

2c-i 2 times a month once..

4 times a year with a ++++ hoping for +++++
once a month with a ++ to +++ usuallly 2c-i or 2c-e

and beer as needed..

What is a +++++? +4 experiences are also not dose-dependent or predictable experiences.



SWIM uses RCs (or other psychedelics) on an average of 1-2 times a month. Usage is largely dependent upon work schedule and current mental state. There have been times in the past where SWIM consumed psychedelics at a rate of 3-4 times a month, only to find that his baseline mental state would remain slightly altered. Decreasing the frequency of trips instantly solved this problem.

[Nagognog2]

Diethyl: Read the rules and do not incriminate yourself. Big Brother is watching!

[bewilderment]

well, my pet monkey was taking them 1-2 times a week (sometimes more)for about six months. She found it was messing up her moods so she decided to take a break for about a month and a half. Now she uses them about once a month.

[fatal]

think the +5 is a mushrooms rating scale/shulgin scale hybrid of some kind... the so called mushroom scale goes to a level 5 i believe...

[treefingers49]

I know of the mushroom scale, but that generally is only referred to with mushrooms and is specifically labeled "level 1/2/3/4/5" not +X.

[fatal]

thusly the hybridization. im just saying i think this poor fellow maybe confusing the two somehow...

[illuminati boy]

Credit where credit is due… the 5 point scale is probably the one suggested by Graeme Carl, way back in the days of Sputnik. It has been adopted by other boards due to its apparent applicability to tryptamines, especially LSD and Mushrooms.

Shulgin’s scale is of a different variety.

I B

[dr ACE]

swim hardly ever uses RCs cause you need a bank loan to buy them,and its very dangerous to experiment with substances that are virtually unknow

[Tokyo-expat]

Swims pet monkey uses RCs every weekend. Usually alternating between 2C-I, 2C-C and SWIMS favorite 2C-T4.. but the 16 hour dedication limits SWIM to about 2 times a month. The other times SWIM uses one of the other 2Cs that are legit here and dont take up so much damn time. Fortunately for SWIM he is about to be on his 2 week vacation and SWIM plans on really indulging. The only problem is the fact that with the 2Cs you have to increase the dosage or wait 3-4 days in between or you are wasting your time and money on a substandard trip. Swim has ample access to ayhayuscua (or however you spell it) and is considering trying that for the first time. If SWIM trys it a trip report will be forthcoming.

[Each Hit]

when swim first discovered rcs for himself, he was like a little kid in a candy store. the first month, he dosed 3 or 4 times. after a particularly lengthy excursion into the depths of his mind, he realized that like almost everything in this world, rcs are most beneficial when used in moderation. swim reduced his usage to every two weeks, then to once a month, and now he hasn't used anything other than alcohol and marijuana (and two lines of cocaine) for two or three months. all that will change soon as swim has a nice 22mg 2c-i trip planned for tomorrow evening. just remember that less can be more.

[XacidburnX86]

dude, what happened to SWIM??

anyway, SWIM took 2C-E about once a week the past 3 weeks, except this past weekend when he tripped hard on friday, then took the last ~13 mg on sunday and went to a party and got a litle drunk and a lot stoned. SWIM felt like crap when they tried to go to sleep about 4 am. dunno if it ad anything to do with just the 2c-e or the beer too (SWIM holds their alcohol pretty well though). Once a week for psychedelics seems to be a good amount of time between uses.