Frequency of Research Chemicals Use

[Broshious]

Originally Posted by korky8097

ehh, as sparingly as possible. During summer and stuff i try for
once every 2 weeks. I take a b complex because i was told it has
a very similar effect as 5-htp, but when combined they cancel each
other out. I always did this for my MDMA, and still do just in
case with RC's. Is this actually effective or should i be taking
another supp.? Thanks

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[OiledMandible]

I try to keep it down to once a month, at most twice. When I
initially discovered RC's I was grubbing everything I could get my
hands on as often as I could (say, a few times a week...). I've
long since realized that ingesting lots of unstudied chemicals might
not be such a great idea, and have since made them an occasional thing.

[highflyer]

SWIM would say when SWIM gets some RC's they come in large a quantity. I find myself gone that whole week maybe 5 times in the week. Then they gradually get more spaced out bout 2 a week? however you feel comfortable is fine. I dont think its a problem if you find yourself trippin there rly arnt any negative effects. As for some RC's they rly are safe some even close in structure to known safe chems. simply said if it feels toxic the next day. it probably is. Theres alot of rc's out there you gotta find they select few you like.

[korky8097]

if anybody knows what supps and stuff you should take as to recover
from 2c-i or 2c-e let me know. I take alot of vitamins mainly for
lifting and stuff including a multi, b complex, vit c, fish oil,
protein, melatonin, and creatine sometimes. I dont take 5-htp
because i have heard if taken with vit b then it will cancel each
others effects. Plus i dont roll that much anymore.

[Ephemerides]

All vitamins are good, b complex would be my choice. It speeds up your
metabolism and improves immune system health. Atleast, that's what the
bottle says, from experience though it helps a lot. But all vitamins
are good for recovery all the vitamins your body had depleted from the
trip.

[dr.red.evil]

Iused to do rcs almost every day for about 2 months and i took a break from them im still on the break.But before that when ever i had the money id buy them and do it as much as possible.But im gonna start doing 5meodmt agian.

[Sklander]

Once a week. Maximum.

[TheLight01]

Well almost every week now(1 time per weekend) i'm new so i want to try everything

[GDxCAT]

^yup, same thing happened with me.

but i hope once u have gotten everything u wanted to try out of the way
u will slow your usage down. When using psychedelics sparingly u will
notice much more rewards from them.


Edited by: GDxCAT

[TheLight01]

Yes i will, its the same with shrooms when i discovered them.. first almost every weekend and now maybe once per half year at most!

[lilmiss]

every 2-3 months, although I'd love to do it more often.

[Mike177]

I usally trip around once a month or less. It really depends, One month i tripped 3 times, wile other months I may not even trip at all.

[xk88]

I can relate to the temptation of having 50+ doses of a variety of rc's sitting around. I can't think more than once or twice a month is good. I was good for 2 or 3 times in a week, week or so off, once, more weeks off - kind of back and forth. I'll cop to this - coming home drunk has led to dosing something more than a few times.

[Cretination]

It really depends on what I have around and if I have the time.
Once every 2-4 weeks is pretty standard for me. I don't like to
use them much more than that because, even though I'll be enjoying
myself, during the trip I feel bad about it, like I'm abusing myself
with not only unresearched chemicals but I really don't think using any
one drug more than once a week is responsible behavior. Damn that
was a long sentence.






Edited by: Cretination

[Joy_of_Salad]

SWIM used to trip every week when they had access to substances they
hadnt tried much. they wouldnt reccommend it generally, because
after a few months of this, SWIM felt very burnt out and stopped
tripping for a few months. if one trips too much the trips tend
to become more and more negative. SWIM now trips maybe once a
month or so and they get much more bang for their buck, so to speak.

[Solidly-here]

Tripping a lot can be VERY Positive.


Joy_of_Salad made a statement: "if one trips too much [once a week, for 6 months] the trips tend to become more and more negative."


Well, please speak for yourself (or SWIM). If you are feeling this way, just say it about yourself, instead of making a Blanket statement as if it's true for everyone. Over the years, I have known many people who have Tripped A LOT, and they have had Positive times.


I, myself, Trip once a week (and sometimes twice or thrice a week) ... and I have been doing it for over 2 years. Every single time has been at least OK. Most Trips are GREAT. And a precious few have been Fantastic, Positive experiences.


The result of my Regular use has been that I am (usually) feeling much Happier, and more Positive than I used to feel. RCs have been a God-send to me. They are Cool stuff.

[nanobrain]

^Solidly-here, you are an exception, not the rule.Edited by: nanobrain

[radio879]

... but DMT doesn't count, right?



I mean some day.. well ok i say.. i smoke DMT like a pothead smokes their weed... not heavily no just a toke here.. toke there..

[waxhorse]

For about four years, I was dosing about 2-3 a week. Man, that shit finally caught up to me and laid me out. At the end of that period I was extrememly burnt out.


That period was probably the best and the worst period of my life. With talk therapy with friends we all worked out some very big shit out of our psyches. Well, I don't think you ever work it out...you just become aware of where the traps are and how to try to work with them.


At the end, I crashed and burned pretty hard. Took about a year to get my shit back together.


Be aware.


S

[Richard_smoker]

It's funny because you really do get a bit of a false sense of security from these things just because they're sitting in a little, innocent-looking envelope, accumulating dust in your desk drawer...


If it was actually blotter or rolls or whatever,most people with jobs and responsibilities, etc.wouldn't even consider taking them as frequently as a hypothetical person would if they were just sitting in his desk accumulating dust...


and the thing is that with the one-by-oneillegalization of basically EVERYTHING that is even 1/2 way decent buzz, the US gov is basically designing their own poisoned sub-cultureas it's basically continuously stuck with the left-over shit that has yet-to-be-banned. And, if you think "well, I don't do R.C.'s so I don't have to worry about that"--then you'd be WRONG because eventually someone's going to screw you and make money off selling you R.C.'s and calling them something else! and the sad part (or ironic I guess is more like it) is that although they're called "research" chems, almost zero real research has gone into the legal onesin regard to their human/mammalian effects. Nope all that research is done out in the 'field' by our friends of friends--SWIMS!


Not to freak anyone out or anything--it's just something that's used as a model medical students in the USA (your family physicians of tomorrow!). It's the story they love to tell about a drug called MPTP... was supposed to be a really great R.C. for people who liked opiates/heroin/pain pills, etc. It was an analogue of demerol, just like all the phykal's are analogues of phenylethylamines (amphetamines and mescaline) and thykal's a bunch of variations on the tryptamine molecule... well, this MPTP was a pretty-well "researched" opioid analogue that wasn't scheduled and soon enough, people started to realize (the HARD WAY)that it burned up the dopaminergic neurons in the substantia nigra (sorry for the big words) but essentially it caused Parkinson's disease in most of the people who did it... and if it didn't cause Parkinson's the first time you did it, then maybe it would get you the second time, if not, maybe the 3rd, and so on... very tempting as any opiate-savy readers know... especially if the stuff's sitting in a legal envelope in your desk drawer!


and this wasn't like short-term memory loss that goesaway and then comes back--once you've got the Parkinsons, you'vegot it until you die!


Some people in medical research think that's what hit Michael J. Fox--was occasional MPTP backin the 80's whether intentionally or by accident (in rolls or as a 'designer' opiate contaminantlike fentanyl was to heroin--i.e. china white, the stuff Jerri Garcia died while addicted to several years) oh yeah, speaking of--what was it that killed River Pheonix??? I'm sure someone on here knows the story.. for some reason, I'm thinkingthere was something fishy about the story.


Just thought I'd put my 2 cents in. I know how tempting it is for us to play around with these things... and occasionally if I think about it, I'll get pissed off just imagining what all different kinds of contaminants had to be filtered through MY "FRIEND'S" LIVER & KIDNEYS in the disguise of a f_cking ROLL !!


sorry if that was too wordy... I just got 10 thoughts at once and decided to throw them all out there

[MikeyisJesus]

Well...I just found these forums and they seem to be the place for
me...As far as RC's go...If you even really consider DXM an RC thats
the one I do the most...I love it...I love the feeling...Its up
there with my favourite drugs...and that I'll probably do about
once a week...less lately because its been a bit harder to get the pure
powder dxm nowadays...All of my sites got shut down...continuing
though....As far as RCs go...I'd say I used to do RC's every
weekend...back before AMT was scheduled...It was a fantastic
experience...Maybe I'll even do a trip report on it later...As far
as lately goes...I've done 2c-i a couple of times in the last
month...not the biggest fan...Ummm...I did 5-meo-amt a couple of
months ago...not as good as AMT...by any means...enjoyed AMT much
more...4-ho-dipt I did a couple of months ago...and enjoyed that...So I
guess I really haven't been doing them much...but I'd love to be doing
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[Each Hit]

be careful with dxm. overuse seems to take its toll, as swim has witnessed in himself and his good friend who would trip far more often than is healthy. i know it's easy to get and fun, but like any drug, it does have side effects.

[nanobrain]

DXM is not an RC. neither is DMT, which is an endogenous neurotransmitter.

in re lab testing for safety in higher than rodent tox models - well, that kind o'trials are expensive, unless pharma share costs. even one fucking rat + housing + monitoring is expensive. thus no "real research"

that is till you back envelope the revenue generation numbers for the shopfronts and figure there is massive higher primate adhoc "research" happening, yet very few reports of severe toxic manifestations, even from the BL up-the-bum-it-goes crowd.

frequency of administration depends on the severity of the symptoms, herr Dr.

[thadj]

Originally Posted by nanobrain

DXM is not an RC. neither is DMT, which is an endogenous neurotransmitter.

DMT has not been proven to be an endogenous neurotransmitter. It has been found in the human body, making it an endogenous compound. Strassman has speculated it acting as a natural psychedlic that acts in times of great stress, causing for instance (near)death experiences, or acting even spontaneously (causing what we know as alien abduction experiences). All of this has yet to be researched though.

thadj

[_caesar_]

SWIMS recently discovered sources so there is a certain novalty there at the moment since. Meaning once a week or so.

I think everything in moderation though.

I was speculating on the Shulgins lately, anyone have any idea how often they experiment with compounds?.