Combinations - Mushrooms and Passion Flower (As MAOI)

[Teonanacatl]

So, i just ate about 30 pills of solaray passion flower, its about 350 mg of passionflower per capsure, so im at 9 grams....3 hours post trip. I plan to eat the remaining 9 grams of passionflower 30 minutes before i ingest the blue guys, but i have a question: will my dosage (18 grams of passionflower spread out over 3 hours) be enough to enable an maoi effect and enhance the trip as syrian rue would?

Ihave abastained from all maoi no no's (except a bit of chedder cheese on a burrito eaten at 2 pm, but it was minimal and most liking is in the citys sewage system by now

Thanks, really hope i can get a reply within 3 hours.

peace


also, i took an eigth on friday night and will be taking an eigth tonight

[Alfa]

There's no way of saying: Yes the passionflower will enhance the trip. But how much? What strength are the pills? Is it an extract? If it is, you will be in for a BIG suprise and a long long trip. Because you took magic mushrooms friday, the mushies won't work as well as normal. There are to many factors involved.

[poorphucker]

Has anyone had any personal experiences with MAO inhibitors and psilocybin and psilocyn? Does anyone know of any? Could passion flower be used as one? just curious

[Ouija]

Don't know about passion flower? Syrian-Rue can be used with psilocybes, I keep some handy incase I ever feel that way inclined were I'd want to put up with the tastein order toadd an extra dimension to my tripping.


It works, you can even feel it working without the shrooms if you use it before the onset of your shrooms. But I haven't found it to be pleasent, it just sort of mongs yer head as do anti-depressants (which is it's other use).

[poorphucker]

Originally posted by Jester on 07 May 2004

Check this out
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=5423

lmao damn erowid.....thanks alot. Just when you think you have spent many hours at erowid reading all you can and you miss that. That is what I have been trying to find.

[Insane Asian]

you can never read all of erowid its an endless source of drug information.... its like trying to read a library

[Jingleballicks]

Yes, I've taking inhib. during a trip. My friend is a Chemist major and he whipped up some inhib. for us. It was quite a journey. And I fried much harder than my hardest trip and I took about 2/3 the amount. I'll tell you what my friend tells me, "Don't eat ANY PILL!!!" And I mean ANY PILL, headach, sleeping pill, nothing.


Your body is too weak to naturally fight the pills you put into your system, and you COULD die, or get very sick.


For example: If you took and inhib. and eat turkey. The El-trip-ta-phen (don't know proper spelling) in the turkey could kill you. The chemical makes you sleeping because your body is fighting it. With the inhib. it could not fight it, and kill you.


Mainly pills from the Doc. is the biggest concern, don't take ANY anti-depressents a week before and after the trip. Paxel and Prozac have been known to kill people when mixed with shrooms (and/or) any sort of inhib.


HAHAHA, sorry for the long shpill, I'm quite zonked, it's 4 in the am and I'm going to buy catnip for my cat!

[poorphucker]

I wrote that back in april and have since had 3 trips that were inhibited. I was not happy with the amout ofpassion flower we had to use to make extractions, but it was definitley a big noticable difference. We have since got some syrian rue seeds and are currently startings some seedlings. Not to easy but not to hard..as growing any new plant is. I cant wait to try the rue extractions. I just recently learnred that the haramine extractions are a control substance here. Is that the same where alot of you are at? Kinda bougus if you ask me!


Az

[OneDiaDem]

Paxil and Prozac are not MAO inhibitors, they are ssri's, a completely different effect going on in the brain. SSRI's tend to make mushroom trips weaker, if trip at all.


And yes, with MAOI's, you have to be very careful.

[The Kid]

I recently tripped on mushroom chocolates. I was told that chocolate is an MAOI inhibitor and that combining it with mushrooms intensifies the effect. That was my first time tripping so I have no evidence to validate that statement, but the trip was definitely intense.

[fugazi32]

Originally Posted by The Kid

I recently tripped on mushroom chocolates. I was told that chocolate is an MAOI inhibitor and that combining it with mushrooms intensifies the effect. That was my first time tripping so I have no evidence to validate that statement, but the trip was definitely intense.

SWIM also read about chocolate being a mild inhibitor here: http://nepenthes.lycaeum.org/Plants/...i.shrooms.html
SWIM might try some dark chocolate with his shrooms tonight. )

[RoboCop]

I was told by Alfa shrooms and Passion flower are a good combo but i was hopeing someone could tell me by tonight(hopefully) what Passion flower does to a shroom trip? And how much to take?I have 500mg Passion Flower extract here also 2g of some good shrooms i'm planning on taking tonight, but i'd like to here what it can do to a trip before I do the combo, but if it takes to long for the answer i'm jsut going to do it.

[Alfa]

That depends on the strength of the extract. 500 - 1000 mg will probably do fine depending on the strength. It will enhance strength, duration and possibly joy. (rumor) Anyone else?

[hacnslash]

Passionflower contains MAOIs. MAOIs can greatly increase the effects of tryptamine (and other drugs) trips. I'm not sure passionflower has enough to push you over the edge where it could be a bad trip but be careful. Basically your.

[limpet chicken]

Some species of passionflower, I believe, Passiflora Incarnata, contains VERY low levels of the reversible monoamine oxidase inhibitor harmaline, also found to a greater amount in peganum harmala, or syrian rue.


Monoamine oxidase inhibitors block the enzyme MAO or monoamine oxidase, intensifying the effects of tryptamines if taken shortly before the experience.


MAOIs can also be dangerous if proper care is not taken. Foods containing the amino acid tyramine will react badly with a MAOI, causing dangerous increase in blood pressure, and other unpleasant physical symptoms, foods containing it MUST be avoided both for a few days before, and after ingesting any MAOI, some foods with high tyramine levels include cheese and wine.


Make sure you are clued up on ALL the foods to avoid first.


Passionflower by the way, has pretty negligible effect, chances are, it will do shit all due to the very small amount of harmaline present.


Syrian rue seeds contain far more, and are used for producing ayahuasca brews, containing a MAOI and DMT, ingested orally, the MAOI makes the DMT and other primary amines (tryptamines) orally active, when they would otherwise would be broken down instantly by MAO.