Culture - why do we treat dealers better than ourselves?

[beentheredonethatagain]

I have noticed that no matter what kind of crap our connections puts us through , or sells us , we are always right there on the phone or at the door , being nice and paying on time our credit. While all time being late on the car payment or etc.

Of course nothing here is talking about unlawful substances.

[RaverHippie]

I guess it's due to the fact of having limited sources for items we value more than money itself, we are at the mercy of those with access to such items we value more than money. If we valued the money more, then we would all be nice to our bosses, and the dealers would be like the infomercials saying "Buy from me in the next 10 minutes and the price gets cut in half!"

Wouldn't that be a crazy supply/demand economic scenario...

[beentheredonethatagain]

Originally Posted by RaverHippie

I guess it's due to the fact of having limited sources for items we value more than money itself, we are at the mercy of those with access to such items we value more than money. If we valued the money more, then we would all be nice to our bosses, and the dealers would be like the infomercials saying "Buy from me in the next 10 minutes and the price gets cut in half!"

Wouldn't that be a crazy supply/demand economic scenario...

You hit it right on the head. I like your answers. RaverHippie thanks

[zera]

Originally Posted by RaverHippie

I guess it's due to the fact of having limited sources for items we value more than money itself, we are at the mercy of those with access to such items we value more than money. If we valued the money more, then we would all be nice to our bosses, and the dealers would be like the infomercials saying "Buy from me in the next 10 minutes and the price gets cut in half!"

Wouldn't that be a crazy supply/demand economic scenario...

No one engages in any sort of trade, whether they're trading labor for money (work) or money for drugs unless they value the thing they're receiving more than the thing they're giving up. You may not like your boss, but if you really didn't the value more than your time you would quit.

As for how "nice" we are to dealers I don't know about that. Drug dealing is an extremely hard job if its your profession. If you read Freakonomics you'll find that street level dealers in Chicago make less than minimum wage and are four times more likely to die in a given year than a Texas death row inmate. Add to this high stress, flaky and sometimes violent customers, the threat of arrest, bad hours and low prestige and its a pretty shitty job.

It may seem like people are overly nice to dealers, but the grass is always greener on the other side. Drug dealing is one of the hardest, least respected/compensated jobs in America.

[purplehaze]

Originally Posted by zera

Drug dealing is one of the hardest, least respected/compensated jobs in America.

Swim agrees, and disagrees with this statement.

Swim believes that some people are better to the trade than others, swim has seen nervous failing dealers, he has also toasted at each coast with the best dealers who make it seem like an easy and joyful lifestyle. So swims opinion is there are different types of people in any business, some who sell drugs do nothing and sit back, others work hard and put thereself in risk. The ones that are doing it on a small level have a easy life and a job most likley, like swims encountered a new source a few days ago, the man was talking to swim about how he cannot believe all the people cookin dope in his neighborhood and how much he hated drugs, next sentence was now how many of them loritabs did you say you wanted.

Swim has seen many different lifestyles of drug dealers, the scenerio just mentioned the man understood medicine written by a doctor to be ok, and cooked or manufactored substance to be drugs. But theres all types of high lifes and low lifes around for everyone to have a place to fit into. Swim would not go as far as to say any drug dealer is risking death by doing what they are doing, they are risking death because there not smart enough is all.

You are to speak with a soft voice and carry a big stick.

[Sitbcknchill]

Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

[beentheredonethatagain]

Originally Posted by Sitbcknchill

Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

another brilliant answer, Sit. thank you!

[purplehaze]

Originally Posted by Sitbcknchill

Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.



Personally, swim doesn't, he doesn't answer the phone when they call, he acts pretty hard with them when face to face that way they will know fuck me over and i will be your ass.

On occasion swim has been put in scenarios were he had to be nice to people to get what he wanted and keep the source, it ended up going sour. You can be nice to a level, but you got to let them know in the south we don't play no bullshit.

Also from a dealers perspective, you gota think, they can't call the cops. The only reparations they will be getting if someone doesn't pay is heartache. Thats why in the drug business people take extremely drastic measures. Because if he can rip you off the next person will get word and they will begin to think its ok to rip you off.


Bottom line in swims opinion:

Deal with friends, don't have a physical dependency and be someones bitch. Also make friends with your friends and hang out, don't let it be a business only and make sure that business stays away from friendship and you shouldn't have a problem. If your friend rips you off you can just call and harass him.... Be like man wtf dude, i gota drive all the way back now damnit.

Dont listen to me. There are no rules, there is no set way to be, its just adjustment to what keeps you feeling comfortable.

[JaWill88]

yes people definately value their items more than money itself because to a drug addict money is worthless without that dealer to get these items, it really would be completely meaningless. swim knows that when he sees a $20 bill he does NOT see a $20 bill. if that makes any sense lol. swmi knows that bill is whatever he wants it to be (for swim the colors of his items are black and white, black being that he doesn't live on the eastern side of the country in which case it would be white and white, or brown/tan, or something lol). if swim did't have a dealer to supply these beatuful items then when swim would look at a twenty dollar bill, he would see a twenty dollar bill. and of course we are even nicer because we know what could possibly happen if we aren't and that isn't pretty. and swim is very nice to this group of dealers because he has been going through them for a LONG TIME now (well for swim that's probably a year and a half lol but that's pretty good being how scattered these items were for swim in the past). swim values them because he can call them up and they will always be there within 30 minutes. never more. they have NEVER ONCE not answered their phone, NEVER ONCE didn't have what he wanted, NEVER ONCE not came and met him when they said they were, swim can spend anywhere from $20 to $10,000 at once and they will ALWAYS have it, and always any mixture of colors he would like. that is how big they are. of course they do not ever use their own items and never have (they came from another country a long time ago and came to the united states solely to do this and nothing else. of course they wouldn't be NEAR this good if they did use their own items), their items are ALWAYS of the best quality around as they don't mess around with their items when they get it, only break it down. so... what would swim do without these people!?!? it would be aweful. they are as good as it gets. it would be a nightmare if swim lost connection with them, but that is something that is most likely not going to happen for a long time as they are suprisingly smart. i guess what i'm trying to say is... without them a twenty dollar bill would be... well.... a twenty dollar bill!!! lol. god that would be aweful. swim remembers before he ever used ANY items at all and money was nice, but it was just money. it really didn't have much value to swim. it definately had some value, it's nice to have nice things and know you have it, but it didn't mean anywhere near what it does now. that's why i treat these people so well. better then probably anyone else swim knows, sadly enough. btw when swim didn't have dealers like he does now, he didn't treat those dealers quite as well, but almost as well lol.

[truth]

SWIM believes its called Respect. Without respect there is no trust. and with drugs there must be trust

[julian]

a good dealer is good to their customers. as such, it would be out of line for the customer to treat the dealer any differently.

[Cakes]

While all time being late on the car payment or etc

this is the main reason most people become dealers. and for the rest it is the time to find a new hobby or to start growing/making SWIY's own.

[julian]

Originally Posted by Cakes

this is the main reason most people become dealers. and for the rest it is the time to find a new hobby or to start growing/making SWIY's own.

disagreed. in swim's opinion most people do not become dealers to make money. it just kind of happens. the person starts using. then friends find out that the person has a good connection. then the person starts picking up for his friends. all while receiving a lower price because he is buying larger quantities. then one thing leads to another and at some point he is considered a "dealer."

it takes money to make money. not many broke ass people wake up and say "i'm gonna start selling drugs." from swim's experience it doesn't work this way. people need resources as well as certain personality traits if they even plan on breaking even. it is a common misconception that dealing drugs is a lucrative business. maybe "distributing" drugs is a lucrative business. but any "distributors" are not going to be blabbing on internet forums about drugs.

[rxbandit]

Perhaps when people a younger and financially helped by parents and such they do not do it for the money, but when financial responsibility and debts are real, I believe that becomes a major reason for dealing drugs. Although many people do it for many different reasons. When swim was in rehab a lot of dealers were in love with the "lifestyle" and respect... as this thread points out, the dealer is put on a pedestal, this appeals to a lot of people. The reasons cannot be simplified to one reason as everyone is different, and just because most people in your life do something a certain way does NOT mean everyone does that thing that same way or for those same reasons. Learn this lesson, its an important one...

[julian]

Originally Posted by rxbandit

The reasons cannot be simplified to one reason as everyone is different, and just because most people in your life do something a certain way does NOT mean everyone does that thing that same way or for those same reasons. Learn this lesson, its an important one...

swim is assuming swiy is referring to swim's last post. swim never used the word "everyone." swim used the words "most people from his experience." swim likes to believe that he is not ignorant of other people and their intentions/motivations-he understands that everyone has different reasons for dealing drugs, or doing anything in life for that matter. swim merely added insight from his own experiences. then again maybe swiy wasn't referring to swim's post.

[plur]

swim also finds it about what drug is sold forinsance a dealer might might grow there proudect in his home and be nice and respecful like a store cleark
where a some one who sell some thing high additive and some thing that has to be imported he might just have to fit the stoero type of the "evil drug dealer" just to keep in bissus due to the fact that drug that are impoted need a distubution stracher witch usally mean theres a gang element and life or death compatition

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I agree

[SnakePlissken]

That is why SWIM tries to only go through friends. He would be treating them good anyways, so there is nothing to worry about. SWIM helps his friends out and they help him. Mutually beneficial relationships

[pinkandfluffy]

Originally Posted by SnakePlissken

That is why SWIM tries to only go through friends. He would be treating them good anyways, so there is nothing to worry about. SWIM helps his friends out and they help him. Mutually beneficial relationships

Same with Swim. The one supplier that he has that would be a "dealer" figure is now his friend, so...

Friendships are far more straightforward and beneficial than dealerships.

[cyndi]

Originally Posted by pinkandfluffy

Same with Swim. The one supplier that he has that would be a "dealer" figure is now his friend, so...

Friendships are far more straightforward and beneficial than dealerships.

This was true for swim too till he became a confidential informant and nearly got swim busted. This was a really good friend who swim never would have suspected. Just swim's opinions, dealers are businesses and swim treats them accordingly, they are not her friends as she won't get personal with them. It is a business arrangement.

[fnord]

Swim is lucky enough not to have to bow down to any dealer,he can order from a variety of sources and pick and choose his substances/dealers from a long list.


@BTDTA, Thanks for the grammer less'n!!

[old hippie 56]

Swim don't look for dealers, dealers look for swim.

[Sportsguy86]

The only reason you treat your dealer so good is because you're addicted to a drug and their your mean of getting it. When you're addicted to a drug that is all that matters--and when only one person can get it for you--they become pretty important, pretty fast. I bet you unconsciously "like" your dealer. Like when you see him/her you get happy--even though they could care less about you and just want your money.

It's not a good way to live--awful, real awful actually. And although it may not necessarily be a great occupation--the grass is defenitely alot greener on the dealers side. They're not the ones addicted--and they are making money. You're hopelessly addicted and dependent--and youre spending all your money.

There's only way to get on the greener side than the dealer.Do the unthinkable and actually try to quit. After a while (shorter than longer, actually)--you will actually feel good without a drug in you--and you wont believe how good it is to not be addicted. Lose connections with your dealers. Then just rebuild your life--and you'll no longer be addicted and hopefully have a respectual profession and life.

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congrats

[beentheredonethatagain]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy86

The only reason you treat your dealer so good is because you're addicted to a drug and their your mean of getting it. When you're addicted to a drug that is all that matters--and when only one person can get it for you--they become pretty important, pretty fast. I bet you unconsciously "like" your dealer. Like when you see him/her you get happy--even though they could care less about you and just want your money.

It's not a good way to live--awful, real awful actually. And although it may not necessarily be a great occupation--the grass is defenitely alot greener on the dealers side. They're not the ones addicted--and they are making money. You're hopelessly addicted and dependent--and youre spending all your money.

There's only way to get on the greener side than the dealer.Do the unthinkable and actually try to quit. After a while (shorter than longer, actually)--you will actually feel good without a drug in you--and you wont believe how good it is to not be addicted. Lose connections with your dealers. Then just rebuild your life--and you'll no longer be addicted and hopefully have a respectual profession and life.

you are so right. and I have quit letting NIK go to the connection and he is free of addiction. yeah.

[MotherSuperior]

SWIM has been on both sides of this, left dealing behind a LONG time ago... SWIM found it tough going... mainly as unless SWIM was 'hardass' SOME people would take libertys, anything from not paying debt to actually robbing SWIM... and SWIM was not unprepared for violence in those days but was forever suprised at the beatings that some people would risk for £10 worth of drugs. SWIM also got beat, stabbed and nearly shot, eventually caught and although got out because of good lawyers after a week in PRISON(not lock up... real prison).... realised that dealing was not for him.

As SWIM said, in SWIMs situation you had to be hardass just to survive, this meant treating people badly, sending people away sick some even willing to do anything for drugs(I mean anything)... letting people know who was in charge of the situation. SWIM was more afraid of some of SWIMS customers rather than the Police(and SWIM was pretty afraid of those)... SWIM did move up a 'level' and deal to other dealers but these people would rip of poor old SWIM if given the chance. The money was not that great and after SWIM got wake up call(Prison) SWIM realised that it was not for SWIM.

This is why SWIM nowadays is good to SWIMS dealer(SWIMS 4th in this town, the others are in prison, 1 for murder). SWIM knows the shit they go through... SWIMS dealer is cold, sometimes keeps SWIM waiting but product is always 100%, is fair and does it for moneys sake rather than drugs for money. SWIM is happy to do just business with dealer and not be friends as from experience sometimes friends in trouble can drag you in.


In SWIMS opinion this dealer is typical, just asking you pay for drugs, dont be stupid, dont ask for credit or try and trade goods. SWIMS dealer doesnt care how sick you are. In short SWIM's dealer is wants money, SWIM wants his constiantly good drugs and although service is not best(waits) it is constistant to. SWIM likes to know where SWIM stands even if SWIMS dealer is just interested in SWIMS business. SWIM does not want to mix drug dealing and friendship, SWIM over the years has learnt the hard way this can cause problems.

[dslexic1]

Its not called respect when said dealer treates swimmes like shit or nobodies, its called self abuse. Swim had a freind who he regretably got back on H and was going to same source as swim, for 50% off. When swims car broke down and couldnt make 1 hr trip everday swims freind started dealing and charging swim double. Swim went with it but noted that swim gave him his source. Swim used to give his freind a ride and loans all the time but when thing were flipped reversed swim got no respect. And still swim was nice? why? WEll as long as ive known swim he always nice, maybe passive. but generally people are super nice to their dealer because they want their dealer to like them so they can be a freind not a customer. But swims never note that the dealer puts up with that crap all the time... brown nosers.. swim noticed that the dealers respect you more when you act like yourself.. Trying to impress someone is superficial. PEople like honest, but balanced honesty. People dont like desperation.