RC most like Mushrooms IYO

[CrakkBakk]

Which RC that you have taken is most comparable to magic mushrooms?

Swim wants to find an even cheaper route to getting a mushroom like high.

[trptamene]

From a molecular standpoing one would think 4-aco-dmt would have rather similar effects to 4-ho-dmt. In addition, many of the 4-substitutded dialkyl tryptamines have similar "mushroom like" qualitative effects

[rxbandit]

4-ho-mipt is very similiar to the mushroom experience although it has its own special flavor to it. shrooms feel earthy, ho-mipt feels alien and cosmic, at least in swims opinion.

[Ganesha]

I too think the 4-xxx Tryptamines are your best bet if swiy wants to come close to mushrooms.My friend swim tried 4-ho-dipt and 4-aco-mipt and thinks that 4-aco-mipt is far closer.But there are important differences between the too.This soul-shattering effect just isn`t there and its a little more visual.That and that it has a slightly different feeling to it makes them not interchangeable for him.
But what is cheaper than growing your own mushrooms?
Swim thinks nothing comes close to that. Swiy can grow exactly how much he needs (or a little more ;-) ) and for him it ads an important feeling to the trip to create his own psychedelic living beings and eat them ;-).
So from what I have heard: If swiy wants mushrooms, he should start growing some.

[CrakkBakk]

Erowid states that 4acodmt metabolizes into the same metabolite that psilopsybin does. This is a plus. They seem to have the same effects, according to the results.

Swim lives in California and mushroom spores can't be delivered to him, legally. He would have to aquire it out of state, which is alot of effort to have a psychedelic experience.

[Zaprenz]

Originally Posted by CrakkBakk

Swim wants to find an even cheaper route to getting a mushroom like high.

Aren't mushrooms themselves going to be cheapest (excluding one has large facilities where economies of scales comes in)?

[CrakkBakk]

Originally Posted by Zaprenz

Aren't mushrooms themselves going to be cheapest (excluding one has large facilities where economies of scales comes in)?

The blackmarket where swim gets his from as shitty discount prices.

[trptamene]

The OP asked about alternative RC's to mushrooms.

Discuss this assuming any person reading this information is half intelligent and will take their own economics in to mind....this is stearing toward price discussion.

[halftone]

"Erowid states that 4acodmt metabolizes into the same metabolite that psilopsybin does. This is a plus. They seem to have the same effects, according to the results."

my swim has also read this, but in his experience (having tried both) - he says the two are VERY similar in effects, but the 4-aco still has a unique something to it. He says the 4-aco felt a bit 'smoother' in effects. He said he isn't really a fan of mushrooms anymore - but 4-aco-dmt is right up there at the top of his list as far as favourites go currently.

[trptamene]

Most users report the acetoxy versions to be "smoother & a little longer lasting" than their hydroxylated brethren. This is because, as you hinted at, the metabolic product of the acetoxy seems to be the hydroxylated version. I thought that this means that the compound must be metabolized before crossing the BBB (blood-brain-barrier), but reports have show IV and insufflated 4-acetoxy-dialkyltryptamines to be active, so that is somewhat unclear to me.

[chrisn]

Puff has tried 4-aco-dmt many times, and has had trips so different from each other they almost feel like different chemicals (same batch though so he knows they were the same).

There seem to be two general categories of 4-aco-dmt trips: one is long-lasting (6-7 hours), takes longer to come up than mushrooms and lasts longer - extremely mental in effect, somewhat visual. The other type of trip is much shorter (even shorter than mushrooms perhaps, only about 2-3 hours), extremely visual, but not that mental. Puff has experienced both these trips at similar dosages, so he doesn't know what factors to attribute them to. He has heard other people mention this as well, saying that some 4-aco-dmt trips are characteristic of mushrooms, while others remind one more of dmt.

[[éS]Infinite]

SWIM has done psilocin in 15 and 20 mg doses, and found it to be practically identical to mushrooms. However, of the RC class, SWIM agrees that the 4-hydroxy/acetoxy compounds are the most similar RC. SWIM prefers psilocin, as it could potentially be cheaper than mushrooms, and is surely of equal quality.

[Schwag]

My friend says:
For me I would describe 4-AcO-DMT as being the essence of shrooms. I found it to be like taking most of the good parts of shrooms and then adding some more good stuff. If you enjoy shrooms, I don't see how you couldn't enjoy 4-AcO-DMT. It's much more relaxing and sedative than mushrooms. The trip is easier to handle, with minimal psychedelic awkwardness/confusion. I would say this is a good psychedelic for a social situation. I find it similar to shrooms, as mentioned though, it does have a unique feel to it. Upon walking outdoors, I found the beauty of nature to be significantly amplified. I also recommend smoking marijuana with it. It seems to be a combination that was meant to be.

[Samadhi]

Originally Posted by [éS]Infinite

SWIM has done psilocin in 15 and 20 mg doses, and found it to be practically identical to mushrooms. However, of the RC class, SWIM agrees that the 4-hydroxy/acetoxy compounds are the most similar RC. SWIM would suggest picking up psilocin, as it could potentially be cheaper than mushrooms, and is surely of equal quality.

mate, i don't want to burst your bubble but psilocybin (ONE of the base chemicals in mushrooms) is converted into psilocin in your stomach... Psilocin is also schedule one like our pal psilocybin...so there is hardly a chance of getting it unless you know someone or a company that will produce it illegally.

just letting you know if you don't already

[trptamene]

4-HO-DMT has been seen in the RC community, although is surely one of the more exotics...it is similar in legality to AMT and 5-MEO-DIPT (at least in the states).

Is 4-HO-DMT not specifically scheduled in some asian countries then as I'd venture to say its probably made in eastern labs.

[radiometer]

Originally Posted by trptamene

then as I'd venture to say its probably made in eastern labs.

As opposed to... ?

[trptamene]

So you are saying you believe it is not specifically illegal there then?

this is as opposed to...clandestine in origin

It was a question

Is 4-ho-dmt and its phosphorous brother not specifically scheduled in many eastern countries? If not then I'd venture to say it's made in eastern labs and therefore may be as available as the other RC's.

If it is scheduled in these countries then for the sake of the general forums, I have no idea where people get this drug as if it is illegal in countries that produce many other RCs legitely then samadhis point of this being a major barrier is valid.

All I know is in my country it is completely illegal and as such I have no freaking clue, nor any desire to find out, where it comes from...just have heard buzz about it being sold w/ other RC's, I have no idea if this is from online vendors in china or from your friendly neighborhood drug dealer.

It would not be a leap of imagination to think some adventurous chemists may be making "research chemicals" in a "clandestine" setting and could also be producing synthetic schedule 1 psychedelics and these being sold at the street level, but I have no experience interacting with "drug-dealers" so really may be off the mark.

[Samadhi]

valid point trp, it still remains illegal and such


swim believes 4-ho-DMT it shouldn't really be mentioned in the thread "RC most like mushrooms" considering it is one of the already active chemicals (if not THE most active chemical considering the body's breakdown of psilocybin to psylocin) in the Psilocybe, Paneloneous and other related mushrooms...

that was swims point

[radiometer]

I'm implying that pretty much all of it comes from the same place.

[rxbandit]

Originally Posted by radiometer

I'm implying that pretty much all of it comes from the same place.

very true.

As for the 4-ho-dmt, swim recently took a decent sized sample and would note that although it is an active chemical in mushrooms the trip was completely different and unique from those which swim has experienced. The visuals were a bit lacking, the tryptamene high far more pronounced, the mind in a state of bewilderment rather then rapid thoughts. Although swims trip may be subjective swims companions of his also noted the visuals were absent and it had a bit of a different vibe then mushrooms. Swim was suspicious is sample might not have been psilocin but it came from a very trusted source... wish swim had a way of testing it to know for sure though. but the point of this ramble is that psilocin I believe still elicits quite different effects from its fungal equivalent.