Opinions - Legalization of all Drugs

[Kymistry]

If you were president how would you do it?

[Kymistry]

Kymisty's Idea:

Ok, it goes like this. If you have decided that you want to take drugs of any kind for any reason you would have to obtain a license to do so. Let's say you smoke pot(Or whatever). You would have to go to a facility for a certain amount of time to where at that point you would learn exactly how to use that drug. It would be required that you be high the entire length of your stay. So you can be evaluated under the influence in real world situation. While at the facility you will learn things like tolerance and what to do in case of an overdose. How to keep it away from people or things you don't want to have it (Kids, pets etc.).

Once you have sucessfully completed the in house part of things you will then be let loose into the world with legal Pot,Coke,Heroin, Meth or whatever on a probational period. Like having your driver's permit when you're 15. If you are caught doing something wrong while under the influence while on your PB reriod it will be revoked for 3mths. 6mths. 1yr etc. Those rules also apply even after the license is received.

This in my opinion wll change the whole way of drug use. First off you won't have to sneak and retrieve. You can go right to the Walgreen's and get a gram or two of cocaine. You won't have to worry about cuts and impurities because they are all pharmaceutical grade drugs. This would greatly reduce the risk of overdose.

This world stop the import of illegal drugs 100%.
The price would go down atleast 50%. (Amagine $20g of blow and $5g of Kush)
No more drug dealers and gettig jacked.Just Drug stores and getting taxed

[Graduisic]

1. secede from the south
2. start CAFTA (Columbia/Amsterdam Free Trade Agreement)
3. *insert panic/anarchy here*
4. Jesus comes back and goes chuck norris on all our asses

[purplehaze]

First I would start with marijuana. I would make it legal and show the world that just because it's available to the public and people are doing it casually the world is not going to be full or thugs and robbers and turn to chaos. After the people find out that the world isn't gonna go to hell in a handbasket from people being able to get drugs and use drugs at there disposal then I would gradually work towards harder things. Personally I think drugs that have been proven to cause actual harm should remain illegal. I would enforce the policy "innocent until proven guilty" on all substance. So research chemicals would be legal until proper study was conducted and proved them to be dangerous or harmful, this would apply to all substances..

[Kymistry]

Graduisic, why would we need a trade agreement with other countries. We can grow all our own Cocoa,Poppy,Cannabis etc. If not outside in dirt then inside hydroponically. All we would need is a good few thousand clone samples of the cocoa plant because it dose not grow naturally here in the states. It also takes a year to become mature enough to make coca. If clones were taken from plants that are already mature it would be like a turn-key investment.

[strikks]

i agree with purple haze start with weed and then loosen up on the doctors so chronic pain patients can get enough opiates to last all month pain free if the govt would at least leave the doctors alone,it would be a major improvement but if the black market is deatroyed then most if not all the crime would drop plus it would be a source of tax revenue BUT the criminal justice system would be fucked and alot of money and jobs would be cut i.e. rehabs,jails,prob officers not to mention the cops and all the money they get from seizing drug dealers profits and putting half the confiscated drugs back out on the street anyway,crooked fuker corksuckin bastages!!!! any way sorry we can dream??!! huh??

[Paracelsus]

So research chemicals would be legal until proper study was conducted and proved them to be dangerous or harmful, this would apply to all substances..

I would probably prohibit all untested "research chemicals." Otherwise, imagine the pharmaceutical companies putting drugs on the market without any kind of safety studies or approval. In my opinion, everything should undergo approval and then rigorous quality testing. Otherwise, anyone could sell new, potentially deadly drugs without any fear of prosecution.

I would also not legalize highly addictive drugs such as opiates, strong sedatives, cocaine, amphetamines, etc. I would decriminalize their possession and use, but enforce penalties on unregulated supply. These drugs should be only made available to licensed addicts who have failed multiple other treatment options and are ruled "irrecuperable."

[Kymistry]

Note to readers: Our future President of the U.S is an ex-coke addict.
Our past president was a pot head. Should we throw them in jail or make them eligible for re-election?

[Kymistry]

Doctors are rich people why make them more money? I dissagree. We should make this Federal Regulation and not leave it to individual states, doctors and cops.

[Powder_Reality]

I'm a supporter of entire legalization/regulation of all psychoactive substances, although I wouldn't just dive head first into it; the general public isn't ready to see things like cocaine available OTC.

First off, I would start by legalizing/regulating the sale and use of soft drugs such as marijuana, psychedelic mushrooms, various ethnobotanicals, etc. Age restrictions would be enforced and growing personal supplies would be allowed. The use of MDMA and various other psychedelics would be permitted for psychologists/therapists in medical settings (such as psychotherapy). I would also make cheap prescription heroin available to hardcore addicts. As well, I would decriminalize personal amounts of all drugs, including harder ones such as heroin, cocaine, amphetamines, etc. I believe this would be a very good starting point, and wouldn't be too drastic for those dead-set against legalization.

After the public saw that the country was not collapsing on itself and that regulation was working better than prohibition, I would move onto the legalization/regulation of harder drugs, such as MDMA and various psychedelics (essentially anything between marijuana and cocaine). The sale and production of these items would only be allowed through specially licensed government-run facilities. Strict age restrictions would be enforced and supplying such items to underaged consumers would be considered a punishable crime.

Finally, I would move towards total legalization of all psychoactive substances, including hard drugs such as heroin and cocaine. Once again, the sale/production of such products would only be allowed through specially licensed government-run facilities and strict age restrictions would be enforced.

During this time, I would also be stepping up the country's harm reduction budget. Accurate and unbiased information about psychoactive substances would be made available to the public and programs such as safe-injection sites/needle-exchange outlets would be made available to all areas that needed them. More research would be done on addiction and treatment, and more funds would be available for detoxification and rehabilitation programs.

Drug use is a medical issue, not a criminal/moral issue. As such, federal money used to handle drug issues would be used to promote education, (unbiased) prevention tactics, treatment, research, and harm reduction.

Note: I agree that untested research chemicals shouldn't be available to the public until proper research was done on them to determine safety, dosage, interactions, etc.

[El Calico Loco]

I'm not practical enough for politics. I could only do it if I were king.

In which case, I would legalize everything, make producers responsible for the health and safety of the product and labeling, and demand that my subjects grow the fuck up and take responsibility for their own lives - and not attempt to take responsibility for the lives of others.


ECL
(Except maybe their own children. )

[Kymistry]

Hey powder-How would that make the import of other drugs or even pot traffic?

[Powder_Reality]

Hey powder-How would that make the import of other drugs or even pot traffic?

I'm not sure if I understand exactly what you mean by that, but I assume that you're asking how such laws would affect drug trafficking other countries?

I assume that an unfortunate byproduct of such lenient drug laws would be a tightening of the border for surrounding nations (at least I know that would be the case for Mexico and Canada, given that we're right beside the United States and they have threatened to close off the border over smaller things). Importing products such as coca leaves or opium poppies from other nations would probably be the only cost-effective way to make certain products available, but the manufacturing of said products would have to take place within the importing country as it would be a crime to do so anywhere else (as if this has ever stopped anyone before, but if it's a legal business in one country, they would of course have to abide by international laws as well).

If smuggling drugs out of the country is the concern, there's no real way to stop this except to tighten surrounding borders. However, this probably wouldn't have much of an effect anyways; if someone truly wants to get something out of one country and into another, they'll find a way to do it guaranteed. Obviously, smuggling drugs through international borders already occurs even when the drugs are illegal. I assume that legalizing drugs and/or tightening border security in one country would probably have little effect on this situation. It's my guess that it would be just as cost-effective and easy for the black markets of other countries to continue buying wholesale quantities from their original sources.

[zera]

Well the president doesn't have any power to make laws. But what I would do would be very simple, fire the entire DEA, fire any US attorney that brings a drug case, and pardon every single person in prison for non-violent drug offenses.

[Kymistry]

I feel you zera and I appologize powder I didn't realize you were in Canada.
But say an organization like NORML were made public with presidential backing.
This would expose pot/drug culture rapidly. Take a guess @ how many people would
start to experiment then. If they visted the pay per view website and found out that you couldn't be prosicuteded in court for personal amounts of drugs under federal law.But only licensed users who pay the tax to hold a special license to experiment legally. That way the government can cover their ass. So when some people screw up and O.D they can say I told you so. All the street drugs would be eliminated if they came from a federal source. The Growers (Of Cannabis,Poppy,Coco,Mushrooms etc..)
Pacakagers,Sellers,buyers can all be taxed and you could have another tax for all who hold the license. Leave trafficking laws like they are. If you are caught with a kilo or someyhing then you go to jail. To me that's not personal use.

[Kymistry]

How to stop DUI

Everybody that holds the license will have a computer in their car,at their jobs (If neccessary) and all police cars will have the computer in their squad cars. The computer messures blood intoxication @ a cellular level. When users are on a trip there levels would be at their highest. The computer knows exactly how many drug metabolites should be in your body while using. The license for Psycodelic drugs like LSD,Mushrooms and other hallucinagiens will be susspended from driving a motor vehicle until eval. is preformed and drug is no longer used. The computer will also limit engine speeds in the car to 80mph. for license holders. When in the presence of a police computer it slows you to 40mph. if sirens are ingaged. License holders can not under any cicumstances drive a car without a computer.

[purplehaze]

That would suck, i too have given thought to something similar. Ive thought about a device that displays the speed of a car to cops. But that sucks nobody is going to let that crap happen unless you want a overthrown government. Personally id say just legalizing marijuana is the answer to all of this. Legalization of marijuana would start the road, and most likley having to get the majority on board would take a very long time, say like 300 - 500 years. But eventually moving up towards letting everyone be responsible for themselves. I dont like being monitored or watched or feel i dont have control of my own life. I also dont like to be told what to do especially with a device that controlled my car and checked my vitals i would find a way to jam it. Also this would not be accurate because for every electronic device there is a maker, humans can modify anything humans make.

[Senor Gribson]

Originally Posted by purplehaze

Legalization of marijuana would start the road, and most likley having to get the majority on board would take a very long time, say like 300 - 500 years.

i don't know if you realize, but marijuana prohibition is a fairly new thing. i believe it started ~50 years ago. 300-500 years would mean we are just at the beginning of a long vicious road. this is very pessimistic thinking, considering how rapidly support for prohibition seems to be declining.

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Use the edit button next time instead of posting back to back (unless you also want to bump a thread).

[Senor Gribson]

if kymistry's laws ever got passed here, i'd straight up leave the country.

that said, i would like to point out that trafficking laws simply can not remain the way they are in any legalization scenario. selling any kind of drug should be treated like selling alcohol, otherwise drug gangs will continue to control the market.

there are some big problem with legalization that would have to be overcome; if one small area were to legalize any commodity that remained illegal in surrounding areas, that place would become a major hub for traffickers. also, too much of the economy is built up around prohibition, especially in the united states. if these laws were to suddenly disappear it could have catastrophic economic consequences to a country.

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Make all drugs legal and then make alcohol illegal just so we can give these higher than thou alcoholic idiots a taste of what its like to be persecuted simply for wanting to feel good.

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I agree, alcoholics who believe they are better do deserve the tables turned.

[Kymistry]

If it were sold like bear that would in my opinion over advertise. There should be hubs and designated areas where certain drugs are sold. Marijuana and a list of other soft drugs would be schedule 1. All would have easy access different brands and veriaties.
Because really it's only one kind of coke,heroin,meth,MDMA, Etc. It's all the matter on who's is cut more. Like I said this stuff would all be pharm grade. 100%

For all of you who think I'm insane. This is simply my entitled opinion on a hypothetical situation. If you can't handle that maybe you shouldn't be on this particular topic.

[JaWill88]

swim thinks if one drug would be legalized than all drugs should definately be legalized. that is to cut out all drugs lords and crime and what not. it wouldn't be fair to legalize some and not all. and they should be made/grown/processed by pharmaceutical type companies for safety reasons. also they should be taxed and some of that money goes to rehabilitation if one wants to do that. think if every person in rehabilitation actually wanted to get sober ?! lol. and it wouldn't cost anything. that would be amazing and probably have much better results. and definately other progams not based on the twelve steps as swims opinion on that isn't a very good one. legalizing all drugs would definately be a good idea. made very affordable. no more crime to support a habit, and that is where pretty much all drug crime comes into play. swim will elaborate more but has to go for now.

[Kymistry]

Digg Dat!

[Powder_Reality]

also, too much of the economy is built up around prohibition, especially in the united states. if these laws were to suddenly disappear it could have catastrophic economic consequences to a country.

I actually disagree with this. I agree that the United States would probably have the most drastic economic changes as a result of legalization (because of large-scale prohibition organizations such as the DEA). If prohibition was abolished, there would be no need for the DEA whatsoever (although there really isn't a need for them anyways). This would cause massive layoffs, but I don't think that layoffs is a good enough reason to continue the harm that prohibition creates. I'm also sure that the legalization of the drug industry would create many jobs.

But the War on Drugs doesn't really generate any revenue for the country. Billions of tax dollars are wasted every year on the enforcement of such laws with little results. Legalization would save the United States billions of dollars and allow them to spend it on more important issues (such as health care, environmental issues, etc). As well, if drugs were taxed and regulated it would accumulate large amounts of revenue for the government. Importing large amounts of poppies, coca and other needed resources from foreign countries would also undoubtedly increase the mutual trade between those two nations. One more economical bonus would be the increase of tourist revenue. How many people travel to Holland based mainly on the lenient drug laws? Just imagine how much tourism would increase in the first country to fully legalize drugs.

I can see nothing but economic growth from the legalization/regulation of drugs.

[Senor Gribson]

Originally Posted by Kymistry

For all of you who think I'm insane. This is simply my entitled opinion on a hypothetical situation. If you can't handle that maybe you shouldn't be on this particular topic.

i don't think anyone believes you insane, i for one simply think imposing more sanctions on our freedom for the sake of ending progibition is a few steps in the wrong direction.

Originally Posted by Powder_Reality

I actually disagree with this. I agree that the United States would probably have the most drastic economic changes as a result of legalization (because of large-scale prohibition organizations such as the DEA). If prohibition was abolished, there would be no need for the DEA whatsoever (although there really isn't a need for them anyways). This would cause massive layoffs, but I don't think that layoffs is a good enough reason to continue the harm that prohibition creates. I'm also sure that the legalization of the drug industry would create many jobs.

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One more economical bonus would be the increase of tourist revenue. How many people travel to Holland based mainly on the lenient drug laws? Just imagine how much tourism would increase in the first country to fully legalize drugs.
n of drugs.

no more DEA, significant layoffs in law enforcement in general, closing of private prisons, major dent in pharm industries, no more drug testing industry, etc.
these are all possible outcomes if prohibition is simply ended with no economic forethought. i am no economist, but that kind of damage could cause a chain reaction leading to a major recession/depression. in my post, i never said this was the only scenario, only that it would need serious consideration.

and to your tourism argument, this would not be possible at all. if a country straight up ended prohibition alone, this would most definitely attract foreign drug gangs. this has parallels to alcohol prohibition in the US; canada attracted many alcohol gangs (many of which are now successful beer companies) from the states when it repealed its alcohol laws, bringing gang violence with it.