Amphetamine Sulphate Recipe

[Unholymess]

Hi there.

SWIM has been doing lots of research on the net (including lots of reading on this marvelous website!) about Amphetamine Sulphate, or Speed, and how to make it. The problem that SWIM has encountered is that every recipe he finds is actually for Methamphetamine. Now, SWIM thinks that Meth is nasty and dangerous compared with speed, and was wondering if anyone could post a clear precise, easy to understand for the layman, recipe for Amphetamine Sulphate?

SWIM thanks you very much for your time!

[Joe Duffy]

I just typed “Amphetamine Sulphate” into the forums search and it throws me back this http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25354

[Unholymess]

Ooh, lovely thank you. That's so weird, SWIM did the same thing last night and didn't see that! That'll teach SWIM not to look at 3 in the morning!! Sorry for asking a question that has already been answered.

[raid517]

OK hopefully SWIM won't get in to any hot water asking this - but I have a friend of a friend of a friend, who knows SWIM and they might be interested in learning how to make their own supply of phetamines for personal use in this way.

However how conceivable is this for a complete novice with no real chemical background to do?

This guide looks good - but is there a guide that also explains some of the terminology that is used in layman's language that can easily be followed by the first time chemist?

Also as SWIM's friend is in the UK, so how easily can he obtain the constituent chemicals required to complete this process?

What specialist equipment might he need?

[brick]

The readers digest would like to thank Joe Duffy for bothering to post this link to the other thread. The readers digest often performs searches on here and most of the top results say such things as "UTFSE" and "that's been asked here before" which clogs up the results and makes finding the real info much harder. It would be fantastic if the gods of drug forum added a feature to their software so that Moderators or similar when coming across posts worth of "UTFSE" simply deleted the thread and the user was automatically sent a message to the user involved saying the information was available elsewhere. Even better would be if they provided links to said information to the user but readers digest thinks this would take too much of their time. In the absence of this happening, people like Joe Duffy greatly improve the experience of using this forum as eventually all the top results for search terms get drowned with "UTFSE" which slows down actually finding the right information. Much gratitude Joe Duffy!

[IntrepidTraveler]

Originally Posted by brick

The readers digest would like to thank Joe Duffy for bothering to post this link to the other thread. The readers digest often performs searches on here and most of the top results say such things as "UTFSE" and "that's been asked here before" which clogs up the results and makes finding the real info much harder. It would be fantastic if the gods of drug forum added a feature to their software so that Moderators or similar when coming across posts worth of "UTFSE" simply deleted the thread and the user was automatically sent a message to the user involved saying the information was available elsewhere. Even better would be if they provided links to said information to the user but readers digest thinks this would take too much of their time. In the absence of this happening, people like Joe Duffy greatly improve the experience of using this forum as eventually all the top results for search terms get drowned with "UTFSE" which slows down actually finding the right information. Much gratitude Joe Duffy!

I think the real problem is that people are lazy and do not make more than a cursory search before asking common questions. I think all SWIYs should should develop their researching skils on their own, as it is an invaluable technique.

[brick]

Originally Posted by IntrepidTraveler

I think the real problem is that people are lazy and do not make more than a cursory search before asking common questions. I think all SWIYs should should develop their researching skils on their own, as it is an invaluable technique.

You are entitled to think what you like, but you're missing half the picture. When first doing research, people who HAVEN'T asked a question repeatedly get lots of hits saying "UTFSE" instead of the actual information; so SWIYs desire to chastise peoples for their lazyness obfuscates the information for people who aren't being lazy, i.e. not the original asker but people who ARE doing their own research now find lots of hits saying "UTFSE" before finding the real information, wasting the researchers time.

If SWIY look at DF as an information repository rather than a simple chat mechanism it makes sense not to damage the information's availability just to reprimand some.

It would be best if there was some sort of "flag" button to flag a post as worthy for deletion if it was a post deserving of the "UTFSE" reply but since it would take moderators time up which is SWIM would expect already in short supply, the efforts of people like Joe Duffy, which consider future actors and not just the question asker are very much appreciated by SWIM and I expect numerous other future, silent SWIYs.

[pse001]

Originally Posted by raid517

However how conceivable is this for a complete novice with no real chemical background to do?

Seems pretty impossible for my friend to understand. He's mostly an idiot with no formal education in the chemical sciences. He says he is sure to blow up his apartment building if he tried anything like this. BOOM! Then he would have to live in the street and eat discarded Cheetos and stuff.... might as well smoke anhydrous caffeine....or something...

[scratchblack]

my friend of a friend is also a amatuer at this and lives in UK. he/she would like to know how much a setup would cost (approx) to make amphet sulphate for personal use. he/she lives in a flat and only needs a small setup to turn over a 1/8 a week for personal use. I can give his/hers email addy if needed.

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Just to add my FOAF has been trying to work out by researching this but thinks he/she better ask someone who really knows instead of wasting time. time is money lol. thanks

[honourableone]

Attempting a synthesis without much chemistry knowledge wouldn't be a good move. Theoretically, it may be possible to follow a very simple step by step recipe if the right equipment was available, but I think that it wouldn't be a very good idea. There are lots of chemistry courses available, and furthering your education is never a bad thing, and actually knowing what all the processes that you carry out achieve would be very useful (in the UK I think there is even an organic synthesis course available on the Open Univesity). At the very least some formal training in all of the practical aspects of synthesis should be covered.

SWIM has a basic knowledge of chemistry, and when he was at school he carried out a couple of simple synthesises (including aspirin ), but he doesn't trust himself to produce anything for his own consumption, apart from where simple extractions are all that are needed. He would very mch like to further his chemistry knowledge eventually, but his educational path is currently diverted down a more biological route for his degree.

[scratchblack]

what could be the worst that would happen?? my FOAF would buy all the right equipment needed and by looking at the step by step with pictures he/she thinks its pretty straight forward. he/she did well in chemestry in school but that was time ago lol. does the sythesis of phet sulpahte stink? would he gas out the whole street with chemecal smell or would he need a plot on a piece of land with a shed lol. he/she is very determined todo this. please helpn thanks

[Routemaster Flash]

Originally Posted by scratchblack

what could be the worst that would happen??

• Addiction, potentially leading to amphetamine psychosis and all manner of heart trouble, depression etc. - depending of course on your FOAF's willpower and general personality;
• a lengthy prison sentence if your FOAF gets caught, with a permanent record afterwards, severely curtailing future employment opportunities;
• death, if your FOAF cocks up the synthesis and makes something highly toxic by mistake, or serious injury from flammable or caustic ingredients.

So not much, really. Sorry to piss on your FOAF's parade!

[scratchblack]

as for addiction my FOAF already takes amphetemines and has been through the bad times that comes part n parcel with drugs and now understands his limits and responsibilities.

As for death my FOAF is not a loose cannon and as with all things in life thier are procesdures. (He/she likes procedures lol).

As for being caught that is a issue and thats why he/she wanted to know if the synthesis of amphetemine sulphate gives off lots of smelly odours? or would it be sound to just leave a few windows open?

[scratchblack]

Could SWIY please tell SWIM how to use google to find products i need for making P2NP and phet Sulphate. Thanks

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Could SWIY please tell SWIM how to use google to find products SWIM needs for making P2NP and phet Sulphate. Thanks

[honourableone]

If you mean specific things to search in google (surely you know how to use a search engine?) that will bring the right things up, then that almost definitely falls under source discussion, so noone will be able to tell you. The best thing you will be able to do is to look for companies selling general chemicals. PubChem is an excellent resource that may help, though SWIM has never needed to purchase precursor chemicals. This site is full of lot of differeent methods, so make sure you really look at as much information as possible.

I still think you need more knowledge, but it seems like nothing will stop you trying now. SWIM would much rather trust a knowledgable chemist that was likely to cut his products than an amateur chemist.

When SWIM was in school, one of his class mates wasn't thinking and tipped some ethanoyl chloride down the sink. A nucleophilic addition-elimination reaction with the water occured, resulting in gaseous hydrochloric acid fuming across the class room. I just thought I would tell you this to show how easy things can go wrong for people without training. I don't know how far your knowledge extends... Did you understand what happened to the ethanoyl chloride?

[scratchblack]

Originally Posted by honourableone

If you mean specific things to search in google (surely you know how to use a search engine?) that will bring the right things up, then that almost definitely falls under source discussion, so noone will be able to tell you. The best thing you will be able to do is to look for companies selling general chemicals. PubChem is an excellent resource that may help, though SWIM has never needed to purchase precursor chemicals. This site is full of lot of differeent methods, so make sure you really look at as much information as possible.

I still think you need more knowledge, but it seems like nothing will stop you trying now. SWIM would much rather trust a knowledgable chemist that was likely to cut his products than an amateur chemist.

When SWIM was in school, one of his class mates wasn't thinking and tipped some ethanoyl chloride down the sink. A nucleophilic addition-elimination reaction with the water occured, resulting in gaseous hydrochloric acid fuming across the class room. I just thought I would tell you this to show how easy things can go wrong for people without training. I don't know how far your knowledge extends... Did you understand what happened to the ethanoyl chloride?

Yes SWIM did understand how that was dangerous. Maybe SWIY could pm or email SWIM the makes that are OTC and usuable in the UK and the safest place to find the rest. SWIM would be very appreicated! Thanks

[honourableone]

When it comes to the chemicals needed, most won't be "OTC" as such - precursors will have to be bought over the internet from chemical companies. Others would be more useful to tell you the actual equipment needed, and the best precursors/methods to use (that much should be in the chemistry section) - SWIM doesn't consider himself experienced enough to carry out his own organic synthesis. I believe that OTC Pseudoephedrine pills (sudafed) are often extracted from and used in the process, but that is where my specific knowledge ends. As I said before, PubChem will be useful to tell you what you need to know about certain chemicals.

Discussing makes and legality is allowed by the rules, but giving sources in PM or asking for an email to be sent detailing sources isn't. SWIM would like to help more (so you are less likely to do anyhting wrong), but aside from the rules as he has said already, he doesn't consider himself a chemist. For legality and watched precursors, I'm sure the chemistry section would have something...

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[scrog80]

i am lookin to do the same thing i have a friend who does this type of thing but is unwilling to share his secrets.

scratch black i think if you are going to do it no matter what there is some good info on here best to read up and have a stab at it ! you can only get better at what ur doing or blow ur selfe up

also alot of the technical jargon is exactly that allot of the stuff can be found on ebay ect in smaller ammounts.

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[ColDog]

Can someone have a look at this p2np syth and let SWIM know if it sounds ok, SMIM doesn't want to blow themselves up by making a bomb or anything.

Phenyl-2-Nitropropene à la Barium: 1 mol benzaldehyde, 1.2 mol nitroethane and 15 mL diluted aqueous methylamine in 150 mL alcohol. Stirred and slightly heated for ca 4 hours. The reaction mixture is brought over into a beaker and cooled in the fridge (4°C). If precipitation doesn't commence at this point, water is poured in and the mixture put back in the fridge. The P2NP oil layer will slowly (or sometimes quickly) start forming a crystalline layer. If it doesn't, scratching the wall with e.g. a glass rod will help. If even this won't help, it means you probably fucked something up. The yields I have had using this "adaptation": 81% (i-PrOH), 79% (i-PrOH), 75% (EtOH) and 71% (EtOH) (yields calculated after crystallizing once; I store my crystals in the freezer and also recrystallize them prior to use)

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Will someone have a look at this and tell me if it sounds ok. It's the easiest p2np syth SWIM has found but SWIM doesn't was to accidently make a bomb or anythin.

Phenyl-2-Nitropropene à la Barium: 1 mol benzaldehyde, 1.2 mol nitroethane and 15 mL diluted aqueous methylamine in 150 mL alcohol. Stirred and slightly heated for ca 4 hours. The reaction mixture is brought over into a beaker and cooled in the fridge (4°C). If precipitation doesn't commence at this point, water is poured in and the mixture put back in the fridge. The P2NP oil layer will slowly (or sometimes quickly) start forming a crystalline layer. If it doesn't, scratching the wall with e.g. a glass rod will help. If even this won't help, it means you probably fucked something up. The yields I have had using this "adaptation": 81% (i-PrOH), 79% (i-PrOH), 75% (EtOH) and 71% (EtOH) (yields calculated after crystallizing once; I store my crystals in the freezer and also recrystallize them prior to use)