Cherry Pop and Buzz

[Thirdedge]

These are liquid herbal highs from Australia, Swim has not tried but has read online reports that sound positive.

Contain Kanna and Saffron amongst other things, I will try and find out more on the ingredients and get back.

Buzz is the speedy product, Pop is supposed to produce stimulation and empathy, many users seem to prefer a combination of both products.

Are any Swiy's familiar with these products?

[krazykungfu]

Hi,
Swim has tried both and on Cherry Pop as he types this...
To my knowledge and as far as I've been told Rage contains the controlled substance (in Australia at least) BZP - there is no ingredient list on the bottle - and that can be accredited for the majority of the effects - which Swim says are enjoyable...

From the ingredients on the Cherry Pop bottle it contains guarana, chocolate extract, bitter orange - but I think the main active ingredient is Octopamine...

Hope this is a start....

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[JaWill88]

Originally Posted by krazykungfu

Hi,
Swim has tried both and on Cherry Pop as he types this...
To my knowledge and as far as I've been told Rage contains the controlled substance (in Australia at least) BZP - there is no ingredient list on the bottle - and that can be accredited for the majority of the effects - which Swim says are enjoyable...

From the ingredients on the Cherry Pop bottle it contains guarana, chocolate extract, bitter orange - but I think the main active ingredient is Octopamine...

Hope this is a start....

welcome to drugs forum could swiy explain a little about what it's like or compare to other products?

[Thirdedge]

Ok, from the Buzz bottle: Chocolate, honey, bitter orange, kanna, l-tyrosine, octopamine, saffron, H20 & Etoh.

Bottle contains 7ml.

[kryptik]

swim googled this to try and find a site that sold it, cuase swiy's peaked swims interest now... swim came up w/ 1 result, but the link might of been a dead link cuase it wouldn't display... as for the other results, it kept telling me it was an energy drink... swim doubts it's an energy drink, unless that's what they're calling it these days.

[Durd1e]

Sorry to be negative but, TBH these ingredients do not sound that promising...Chocolate, honey, bitter orange, l-tyrosine, saffron and H20 are all just food and water, swim has tried octopamine in a product called 'bio happines' and nothing really happened. Finally, Kanna - kanna is good provided you can master 'reverse tolerance' ie it builds up in your system over a period of days (it contains some ssri) and so the individual doses have greater effect the more you use it. Swim has never had a couple of days to devotr to this however and has found it to be fairl weak when just taken once.

Oh and I have no idea what etoh is...

[Thirdedge]

Originally Posted by Durd1e

Oh and I have no idea what etoh is...

Shorthand form of ethanol.

Keep in mind these products likely contain potent extracts of specific alkaloids found within these substances, as opposed to a slurp or two of bunk herbs. With that in mind, I imagine these ingredients could well pack a wallop.

[kryptik]

well swim knows what bitter orange is and l-tyrosine... swims had that before in red dawn. swim has seen etoh in some products too, but never tried them w/ that in it.

seeing that it has bitter orange in it and knowing what red dawn does to swim, swim imagines this drink will taste equally as bad, but maybe not quite... maybe the chocolate and honey is there to help mask the bad taste it could possibly have... what do swiys think?

as for the high achieved, swim sides w/ both of swiys. it could pack a punch, but then again, swim knows what red dawn does, and seeing as how this drink has a couple of those ingredients that are in red dawn, swim thinks this might be a light trip... like red dawn...

swim would still try it though, just to see what it does.

[MongoosFiend]

Swim and his GF tried Cherry Pop very recently. Following is a report:

T-MINUS 0hrs: Swim mixed full vial of Cherry Pop with ~100mls of Pepsi on quite an empty stomach. Doesn't taste too great, kinda like cough syrup. Rinse it down. No expectations - swim expects this to be a waste of $$$.

T-MINUS 15mins: Swim thinks he is feeling something? A little fuzziness on the eyes? Might just be placebo though, swim will give it time.

T-MINUS 20mins: GF thinks she's starting to feel it a bit. Pretty sure not placebo, but swim is trying not to think about it and just let it kick. Just playing Xbox while GF watches, starting to chat about it a fair bit though.

T-MINUS 30 mins: Swim is chatty now. GF is on a phone call with a friend chatting away. Not 'speedy' as such but just more chatty. Feel quite warm and kinda fuzzy, lights are nice. Swim just stood up and felt nice sensation throughout body.

T-MINS 50mins: Swim is impressed. Even if it stays just like this, Swim will be happy. Lights are playing up (like MDMA but less intense - swim is very photosensitive on MDMA though), mildly chatty, cannot concentrate on XBox anymore (typical busy mind) so just listening to dance music. GF concurs with all.

T-MINUS 1hr10mins: Getting more intense now. Maybe peaking? Swim has turned off the main lights and now just has the music color visualisation thing going as the only source of light in the room. Getting fuzzier, very enjoyable to watch.
Can't concentrate on much. GF is getting very 'touchy-feely' and touch feels quite nice, yet can't fool around - keep wanting to concentrate on the pounding dance music and the colours.

T-MINUS: 1hr40mins: Swim thinks this may be the peak? It has ramped up since last time, so peak wasn't before. Hard to tell, has been a very steady ramp up, consistently good for over an hour now. Intermittently fooling around with GF (who is enjoying it *very* much), but neither can concentrate for any length. Quite enjoyable. Music feels very nice, swim occasionally feels like getting up and moving to it but then has to sit down after a few minutes, partly because swim is on his own. Swim thinks this is very cruisy as opposed to speedy.

T-MINUS 2hr30mins: Still going, exactly like before. The "peak" is very sustained. Swim is comparing this to MDMA, just with a "lesser" feeling of everything. Slightly less enjoyable light wobbles/reshaping, slightly less enjoyable touch, slightly less chatiness. Swim does feel very different though - it's very different without the clenches or speediness. GF says feels a little stoned physically but mentally high.

T-MINUS 3hr15mins: Is perhaps starting to slow down a little? Swim is still quite high though. Previous music mix has stopped, so Swim starts picking favorite tracks off of individual CDs, plays through over a dozen dance music tracks off many CDs.

T-MINUS 3hr45mins: Definitely ramping down bit-by-bit now, still enjoyable though. More CDs.

T-MINUS 4hrs: Swim thinks effects still on but slowly decreasing. GF seems to think yes but less so (though Swim notes that she always comes down sooner - Swim attributes to state of mind). Both Swim and GF are tired now, effects of being awake and active for last 20hrs now being felt.

Not long after this point Swim jumped in to bed with his GF and proceeded to fornicate for ~40mins and then sleep. With drastic change in stimulus at ~4hr mark it is hard to tell exactly how long the high could go, however at a guess swim thinks it would've extended up to the 5hr mark in total, with it all being gradually receding.

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[MongoosFiend]

Originally Posted by kryptik

as for the high achieved, swim sides w/ both of swiys. it could pack a punch, but then again, swim knows what red dawn does, and seeing as how this drink has a couple of those ingredients that are in red dawn, swim thinks this might be a light trip... like red dawn...

swim would still try it though, just to see what it does.

Swim would say is closer to an MDMA high with less charginess and more relaxing, but not so relaxing as to be any sort of trip really. The overall mindstate bears no resemblance to any real trip, with perhaps the exception of the semi-relaxed state at times with the colours.

Swim does think this could have it's use as a clubbing drug though, and may well investigate this option further after now having done nights use in-house. Swim is of the understanding though, that Buzz is more marketed for that use.

[kryptik]

swim is curious how much swiy ingested of cherry pop and buzz in order to get a 4 hr trip? or swiys GF? was it the lowest, highest, or a medium dose?

swim is more interested now, this ain't no red dawn, quick 30-45 min...

swim isn't thrilled about the taste though...

[MongoosFiend]

Swim has only tried Cherry Pop and did the whole little vial as purchased (can report on exact amount later). Bottle specified no dosage so this seemed correct to his way of thinking. Swim has heard of people taking smaller dosages for lesser hits, but Swim is not sure if he could be bothered now, given his experience.

Swim would agree the taste isn't great, the Pepsi masked it a lot but still was rather awful.

Now in retrospect, Swim thinks 3-4hrs for the single dose is about right. Swim has a tendency to let things peter out and ramp down slowly when he takes such things, so the effects seem to feel more prolonged than with most people. GF on the other hand seems to always pretty much stop feeling effects soon after post-peak, and Cherry Pop experience as above followed these patterns.

Swim will be trying Buzz soon, will report back.

[dslexic1]

There is a really good post on the effects of saffron, in the ethnobotanicals section. saffron is supposedly good stuff for household pets like kitty kats. Swim thinks cherry pop is going to be hard to google, because all he gets is friggin pervert porn about virgins, a lolli ernegy drink, and music results. is it against the rules for someone to post some other type of description so to give google a little push. Im not asking for a source or for anyone to break the rules, but ahh nevermind, ill figure it out, havnt really went to far into it, and if I have to ill just buy som ekanna and saffron.

[MongoosFiend]

Swim searched Google *EXTENSIVELY* about Cherry Pop and couldn't find anything.

Given that the production location on the vial indicated an regional Australian location, Swim would be very surprised to see these pop up internationally.

[dslexic1]

ok i think i give up on it. I found the people who most forums say sale it but its not on there products. Im awaitng email from the hopefully source. in the meantime swim is ordering some saffrom and some damiana and kanna... for a nice mixture, well hes going to find the right combo but its def. gonna have saffron as the base.

[Melalicious]

Swim has purchased a bottle of "Buzzz" with a friend, and both are going to try! the guy who sold it to swim from the shop, explained it was the best "legal, natural high/euphoric high"! he also said that it taking more then 1 dose(7ml) at a time is silly! and that if a second dose is had to be taken 1-1.5hours after the first (as usual with most drugs!) and also said, ANY alcohol with it, it totally destroys the high, the more alcohol, the more it destroys!

The peek is apparently meant to last 3-4hours, some have reported around 6, but when selling they claim only 3-4!

Swim has always been a skeptic of any legal high, legal ecstasy and so forth, but has heard wonders about it from fellow Ravers that she knows! At an Enchanted Forest Rave, held here in swims home town, The shop where swim purchased the Buzzz had a step up there, and the guy who owns the one here in swims city report that he had many people come up to him and ask "Woah man, this is almost better then real ecstasy, how can it be?!?!"! He said that he couldn't believe how many people wanted to know how on earth it worked so well!!

SO, in short, swim has a 7ml bottle of it which she is going to try tonight, swim will report on how her experience and her friends go!

[MongoosFiend]

^^ Good to hear, do report back. Swim thinks he knows where swiy is from, Enchanted Forest brings back good memories.

Swim and his GF have each purchased 1x 7ml vial of Buzz for use at a time in the very near future. Will report back.

[Melalicious]

First Experience With "Buzzz"

Dose - 1 x 7ml vial

Containing - Chocolate, honey, bitter orange, kanna, l-tyrosine, octopamine, saffron, H20 & Etoh.

Duration Claimed By Seller - 3-4hrs

Well swim has always been a skeptic of any natural or herbal high, after purchasing some Nimbus (for smoking), and played around with that, and really didnt find it enjoyable or affective!! But last night swim tried 7mls of Buzzz, which is claimed to be best natural high for body tingles, euphoric and energetic feelings!

Swim had eaten earlier but only a little, and had left time to digest first

Around 9pm swim and her friend decided to give Buzzz a go! so they both squeezed the 7ml bottle into there mouths and swallowed it down!! They then headed off to do a smoke and drink run to the shops, figuring that by the time they got back it would of killed a good 15mins already before they would start to feel nething!

After returning from the smoke run, swim suggested to her friend that they now go to one of their spots where theyve gone often before when taking other drugs! Swims friend agree'd and off they went!!
Once at the spot, which overlooks the ocean, swim and her friend got out of the car and sat down on some rocks, where swims friend explained to her, that he felt like his eyes were WIDE open, but without any force!! Swim responded with "i feel like my jaw is lighter then usual, not shaking or grinding like on pills or gear, but less aware of my jaw moving when speaking!", Swim didnt think much of it, as she wasnt sure if it was just a placebo feeling!..After a smoke was had, swims friend suggested, being a full moon night, lighting up the sky, that we go and play some basketball! So they left and went straight back to swims to grab the ball!

On the way to the near by high school, which was around 10pm, where they were going to use the courts/rings, swim started to feel slight rushes thru her body and a massive lift in her mood, and turning the music up in the car more and more! Swim said to her friend who was driving, "i feel pretty good man! and this track ROCKS!" Swims friend laughed at swim and agree'd that he felt really good and that his eyes still felt very alert and open!
They then arrived at the school and got out the car heading straight over to the courts! Both feeling like they had alot of energy and pretty happy, but nothing much more! They played bball for about 20mins before stopping to have a chat and a smoke! Swim said to her friend that she couldnt really feel much nemore, swims friend said he still felt pretty good! Swim wondered if running around so much had a bad effect, which swim was unsure bcoz sometimes its good to get the blood flowing and rushing! Swims friend suggested that they go for a drive, as he knew that swim loved to listen to her music loud while cruising along, and being a nice night it was definatly a good idea!

After driving to another spot down the beach, it was now around 10.45pm, and as they sat there swim said that she didnt feel nething at all! No rushes and tingling thru the body anymore and her good mood had dropped slightly, swims friend agree'd he wasnt feeling it so much nemore either! Swim suggested that maybe next time they get 2x7ml vials each and have them an hour apart, swims friend agree'd too!

Around 11pm swim got an SMS from a friend she had been waiting to hear from about for some weed, telling her that it was ready for her to come and get! Seeing as both swim and her friend wernt really feeling much nemore, they decided to go pick up the weed and head back and have some cones!

11.30pm came around by the time swim and her friend were back at swims friends place and out the back smoking cones! Swim and her friend had been dry for 2 days so were both looking forward to some bud!
After a good 2-3 bongs and a few smokes, it was just on midnight and swim and her friend had been speaking about how they started to feel great again! Swim wasnt sure if this just the weed, or both counteracting, as swim figured getting stoned would definatly not have a good effect on the Buzzz, as weed makes u relaxed, sleepy, and so forth, and the Buzzz had an opposite effect! Especially now that it had hit the 3hours mark! But both swim and her friend were feeling great, very chatty, and neither said they felt stoned, not in the head, eyes or body! They both felt pretty energised again! This lasted for another half an hour or so, as more cones were smoked! Around 1am they were both very very high, and couldnt feel anything at all besides being extremely high! At 2am they both retired for the night, swims friend dropped swim home, and swim was asleep by 4am!

So swim is still unsure on this stuff, or weither or not she just needs to double up! Swim is no stranger to other drugs, and takes Ecstasy, LSD, Meth on a very regular basis with around 5-6years experience with them all and other drugs, so swim knows her body and herself fairly well, and how it recats and her tolerance to things!

Could it had been the running around? using the energy up to quickly? Was having weed almost 3 hours after the buzzz a bad/good idea? or maybe its swims tolerance to things? or the fact she uses other drugs often? or does it need to be taken in more then 1 dose? These are things swim wants answered and is looking to answer, and experiment more to really see if this stuff works as good as some say it does!

Swim believes there was something there, tho very faint, she is looking to try it again very soon over the weekend! and maybe mixing it with something else, As swim has found it hard to research much on her own on this she is still unsure about it, she spoke for a good 20mins with the supplier but he didnt go into enough detail, so swim may have to go back when she gets more and ask him what he suggests some more, as swim really has NO CLUE besides basics on any herbal/natural high, but was always keen to give it a go!

Swim will report back again after her next experience with it! hopefully someone else can report on it! would b good to hear from others how they went!

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[MongoosFiend]

^^
Interesting read, Swim can't imagine taking it in such circumstances (i.e. driving, b/ball and such), but each to their own.

A few points of thought:
#1) Perhaps Swiy is comparing it too much to illegal drugs as mentioned? The simple reality - as seemingly agreed by all - is that no legal high (esp those in Aus, which has quite strict laws on everything) will come close to illegal drugs such as MDMA. Swim was wary of this when sampling the Pop (and is still aware that comparing it to MDMA, it will not stand up as equal), but when viewing it on it's own still recognised it as solid in it's own right.

#2) Lack of stimulus? Perhaps it's a personal thing, but swim finds it hard to gauge such things without much stimulus (and certain stimulus at that - Swim is very photosensitive when high so focuses on lights and such). For this very reason swim's experience was tied in with trance music, light show and physical contact for a direct comparison with those same stimuli commonly involved in the bulk of swims other drug experiences.

#3) Swim notes Thirdedge's comment that "Buzz is the speedy product, Pop is supposed to produce stimulation and empathy, many users seem to prefer a combination of both products.". From the sounds of it Swiy got (at least some) of the speedy effect but less of the other stimulations?
Swim's experience with the Cherry Pop was that it had the stimulation (mild visuals, great touch, etc) without much speediness. If Swiy's reports are to be believed (speediness, energy only), then perhaps the combination of the two makes sense to produce all the factors and closer replicate the illegal party drug experience?

Swim has purchased 1x vial of Buzz for his own consumption (and his GF one for hers) over this weekend at a club event. Swim is very interested in comparing/contrasting the effects of the Pop to the Buzz.

[kryptik]

this is in reply to dslexic1: swim googled cherry pop and buzz, besides getting links for music, everything swiy got, cept the porn, swim also turned up w/ energy drinks that swim thought might be the closest swims found to finding cherry pop and buzz.. but since it was late that night, swim gave up searching too.

this was the same night swim searched out a gazillion sites for kokmok, moonwalk, absinthe and found quite alot, especially good, true, genuine, and high thujone absinthe. so swim was very pleased w/ what she found, but still can't find cherry pop.. maybe now that swim has read it's aussie, she can google some more...and maybe turn up something. hope so, swim wants to try this..

kryptik added 2 Minutes and 6 Seconds later...

swim is curious... cherry pop and buzz seem to have similar ingredients like Red Dawn does. swim thinks red dawn doesn't have the octopamine and saffron though. swim wonders if someone could just buy red dawn, and then some saffron and octopamine separately and just add it to the red dawn? also maybe include the honey or what have you that's in the cherry pop and put it in the red dawn...

swim is sure the taste would still suck, but do swiys think this could work if swiys knew the amt to put in, etc?

[dslexic1]

Well Im pretty sure that the cherry pop is local Aussie thing right now, not to sure its on any websites. About the saffron and octpamine. I think saffron is the euphoric aspect of cherry pops. if you go to the ethnobotanicals and read the thread about saffron youll see what i mean. Swim honeslty think saffron is going to be on of his favorite substances. No chemical toxic body load and a very good mediocre high. more like a natural antidepressant. Swim reports since he is not a Heroin junky anymore, that he is now a depressed non-junky.

dslexic1 added 1 Minutes and 9 Seconds later...

Does anyone know what octopamine is?

[Thirdedge]

Originally Posted by dslexic1

Does anyone know what octopamine is?

Its a stimulant, somewhat similar to Synephrine that is extracted from Octopus tentacles, though nowadays its probably produced using other methods.

[MongoosFiend]

OK, so Swim tried the Buzzz over the weekend.

FOLLOWING ARE SHARED INGREDIENTS OF BOTH BUZZZ AND CHERRY POP: Chocolate, honey, bitter orange, kanna, octopamine, saffron, H20

The Buzzz then has the l-tyrosine and the etoh, the Pop has another two chemicals whose names I don't have access to right now. Interestingly, the Buzzz is a 7ml vial whilst the Pop is ~15mls (not advertised exactly).

Trip report as follows:

T+0hrs: Swim has arrived at underground nightclub just prior, and ingests whole 7ml vial of liquid, tastes even more awful than the Pop.

T+20mins: Any sense of tiredness is now certainly gone.

T+30mins: Swim feeling the need to get up and move about a bit. To the dance floor it is. Lights starting to have an effect now.

T+45mins: Definitely feeling this. Energy to move around freely and dance, lights are doing all sorts to my senses.

T+1hr10mins: Lights have got a bit overwhelming, as did everything. Swim is in need of a sit-down. This only lasted 5mins or so though, as Swim then felt the need to get up and move again.

T+1hr30mins: Swim is dancing almost the entire time, nice, prolonged peak.

T+2hrs: Swim has grabbed a seat, is a tad tired from moving around so much. Tired in the sense of tired legs, it's been a big day, but mind still going.

T+2hrs40mins: Has started ramping down now. Still quite cruisy though.

T+3hrs20mins: Swim can comfortably say this has been ramping down bit-by-bit steadily now for the last hour or so. The effect is now somewhat minimal, although tiredness from the day has now crept in.

T+4hrs: Swim departs the club and notices outside the effects are now very minimal. Jumps in a taxi and heads home. Did get motion sick along the way and was very close to vomiting, though Swim does have this very seldom from time-to-time.

In short, it seems the Buzzz lasts not quite as long but follows the same pattern. Ramps up steadily during the first hour then the peak is from T+1hr to T+2.5hrs. The key difference between the Buzzz and the Pop is that the Buzzz lacks the personal element (no increased sense of touch, which Swim found fantastic on Pop), but does make you want to move whilst it's happening. Swim would also say that the Buzzz ramped down quicker - it was all over by the 4hr mark whereas the Pop's ramp-down was slower post-peak and stretched it out a bit longer.


The following night, at another similar event, Swim tried something a bit different.
First Swim tried to mix 50% of a Pop vial and 50% of a Buzzz vial. This was OK, but it was found to be lacking. Certain things were good (visuals were great), but no real sense of movement one way or the other and anything else non-light related. Swim now considers this to be perhaps the lack of more active ingredients from both vials?
At T+2hrs Swim then took a whole vial of Pop which worked as expected and then at T+5hrs Swim took a whole vial of Buzzz, which again worked as expected, with the total effect dying from T+7.5hrs onwards, totally ending before T+9hrs. Swim felt not-too-great, again experiencing motion sickness on the way home, though Swim does attribute much of this to a lack of fluids taken throughout the night and a lack of rest over the two days prior in general.

Feel free to ask any Q's, Swim does feel he has a good grasp as to how these work now. Swim does note however that he does not plan to use quite so much in one go at any point again - with the maximum probably being 2 vials over the course of a night for a total of a ~5hr high. Swim feels confident in his prediction that a vial of Cherry Pop followed by a vial of Buzz 60-90mins later would be very good, and intends to try it, but does not view these in the light of being able to use several at once for a prolonghed high (as with other substances) - as it didn't sit too well with Swim the next day.

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[dslexic1]

octopamine seems interesting... similar to dopamine.. so says wiki. hmmmm

[kryptik]

a question for MongoosFiend: how was swiys heart rate while on cherry pop and buzz?

as for finding this product, swim found where swims can buy Cherry Pop, which does have the Bitter Orange in it plus swim thinks the l-tyosine and l-arginine, where as like swiys said the other shit is in the Buzz. swim thinks the stronger of the 2 might be the Buzz. swim at least found a site that will ship the Cherry Pop over to the states though... swim had to google to the ends of the earth, but found it...

if swim can find cherry pop alone, maybe swim should google Buzz alone. swim is sure the results will be endless of course, but then again, what isn't?