Was 15x salvia divinorum too much for a 1st timer

[JKLJKLJKL]

SWIM got a gram of 15x salvia and him and his friends had a little experiemtn.

one of SWIMS friends, we'll call him D. had once had it in a joint before and is a very experienced drug user. So D decided to pack a really big bowl. D emptied the bowl (around .2g) and freaked out, for thirty seconds he just said 'wow whats going on, shit whats going on, dont let it get you too (he meant the salvia)' he got up wandered out into the corridor and returned almost fine, just a bit stoned (swim et al had been smoking weed a bit before hand)

SWIM then, only packs about half the bowl. SWIM counted back from thirty and contemplated how it was similar to general anisetic, when you coutn back from ten, with salvia it hits you at 1. So SWIM counted back and the first thing that happened was he weant very heavy and a few seconds later looked up and everything had very fast scanlines across it (think a tv being filmed at different speeds) and SWIM's scalines then attracted to the objects in the room and so each object had its individual scanlines, which then had the letter m written inbetween each scanline.

SWIM for the past minute had been not conciouscly paying attention to it, like you might notice something in your peripheral vision when sober. At this point SWIM thought, wow this is cool, and tried to pay attention to it, as he did this the scanlines dissappeared and then faded, then SWIM felt very heavy and then very tired.

My question is, did SWIM do too much, was this actually quite intense .... why her couldn't pay attention to what was going on and when he did he pulled himself out of it? If SWIM attempted 10x would he be able to make more sense of it. Or would stronger be a better idea next time, would it keep him in the state longer and so be able to pay attention to the world he'd created.

Thankyou very much.

[Salvinorin A]

I don't understand what you're asking. You're subject title asks if it was too much for the first time....yet SWIY is asking if SWIY needs more?

Does SWIY want to trip...as in...stay in the trip? Then take more. If SWIY takes less, then there will most likely be less effects of the salvia. The more in the system...the harder SWIY trips.

And btw....tell SWIY's friend to keep salvia out of joints....otherwise swiy's friend shouldn't be abusing salvia in the first place.

Sal-A

[RaverHippie]

Nothing really seems to increase the duration of the triip, it will always be shorter. The degree of extract that you use just means you have to take a smaller hit to get to the same place. Anecdotal evidence suggests that it justs increases intensity a bit.

[JKLJKLJKL]

`i guess a better titlte would have been 'was 15x the right amount for a first timer', apologies.

Thanks RaverHippie for answering the question. Also, should SWIM do it again, wil he have similar trips, or will it be something completely different.

[RaverHippie]

SWIY has already experienced the trip so he will be able to decide to do it again. Every trip for SWIM is always different in it's destination but similar in the journey. That's a bit metaphorical but it's the best way I can explain a complex topic. it's SWIY's decision, if he enjoyed it, learned from it, and benefited from the experience then he should have no trouble making the decision.

[JKLJKLJKL]

Thanks, SWIM has been talking to different friends who have all done salvia on a number of occasions, and theyve said similar things and that its hard to describe the experience to someone whose never done it.

So SWIM understands the metaphorical analagy.
SWIM is planning to do it again sometime next week, thanks.

[abraham]

It sounds to swim like swiy didnt trip all to much. swim would smoke a little more next time or get some 20 or 25x. Just swims opinion on the matter. Swim hasent broke completly through yet and swim usually smokes about a third of a gram of 10x. Now swim has some 20x and will try that soon.