Has anyone tried the 250x Kratom Extract?

[dreeamer]

Swim has just ordered 0.5g of the new 250x Kratom extract which should hopefully arrive soon. He was just wondering if anyone has had any experience with this and could advise on dosage. Swim is quite an experienced Kratom user and has a fairly high tolerance. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

[Alfa]

Hahahahahaha!! 250X hahahaha!!

Sorry, i mean no offense to you but these vendors never seize to make up stupid names. If that would really be 250X, then the dose would 0.02 grams. So there would be 25 doses in 0.5 grams. And that would leave the alkaloid content of the 250X extract at 250%.

Normal alkaloid content of kratom is around 1% (ranging from 0.5 to 1.5%) of the total weight. So 100X would mean pure alkaloids(100%). 250 times as strong would mean 250%, which is not possible.

You have been scammed.

[dreeamer]

Originally Posted by Alfa

Hahahahahaha!! 250X hahahaha!!

Sorry, i mean no offense to you but these vendors never seize to make up stupid names. If that would really be 250X, then the dose would 0.02 grams. So there would be 25 doses in 0.5 grams. And that would leave the alkaloid content of the 250X extract at 250%.

Normal alkaloid content of kratom is around 1% (ranging from 0.5 to 1.5%) of the total weight. So 100X would mean pure alkaloids(100%). 250 times as strong would mean 250%, which is not possible.

You have been scammed.

Kratom extracts are never as strong as the amount they are multiplied by, but the seller swim buys it off is a 100% reliable seller who is an experienced and regular Kratom user, so she knows her stuff. More importantly, she wouldn't sell him shit because she values her reputation too much. If swim had bought it from anyone else, I would say you could be right, but I have a feeling you could end up eating your words on this one Alfa.

The 250x extract is advertised as having up of 85% alkaloids by weight, 55% of which are Mitragyne. Swim emailed the seller who has since got back to him with dosage recommendations. 0.5g will give 10 normal doses or 5 if you have a higher tolerance, which considering how much he paid for it, is a pretty good deal. I have also since found some posts on other forums which mirror these recommendations perfectly, along with one person who says it is the best Kratom he has ever tried.

Hopefully it should turn up today so I will be sure to post swim's experience report when I get it.

[razorwiredildo]

While it does sound fairly outrageous and unrealistic, it is not necessarrily a scam. I believe 15x means that 15 kilos are used to make one kilo, so maybe for 250x, 250 kilos are used to make one. This doesn't sound very profitable to swim, but it makes logical to him.
Anyways... good luck and have fun with swiys 250x.

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Good handle!

[dreeamer]

Originally Posted by razorwiredildo

While it does sound fairly outrageous and unrealistic, it is not necessarrily a scam. I believe 15x means that 15 kilos are used to make one kilo, so maybe for 250x, 250 kilos are used to make one. This doesn't sound very profitable to swim, but it makes logical to him.
Anyways... good luck and have fun with swiys 250x.

Another thing to take into consideration is that with the normal leaf, there will no doubt be plenty of alkaloid content that is not absorbed as it is mixed in with the other ingredients. Fibre especially can limit the amount of the product absorbed which is why jucing fruits and vegetables is such a powerful health tool as it removes the fibre, enabling better nutrient absorbtion by putting less pressure on the digestive system. If you have an extract that is virtually a pure alkaloid isolate, (as is supposedly the case with the 250x extract) theoretically at least, it is highly possible that the body would be able to absorb the alkaloids more effectively than if the same alkaloid content was consumed through the whole leaf.

The 250x turned up this morning with a nice freebie consisting of some enchanced Thai, so swim we be roadtesting it this evening. The only annoying thing about this product is that it is extremely difficult to measure out the suggested dose of 0.1g accurately. I will post swim's verdict in about 9 hours.

[Alfa]

Originally Posted by dreeamer

Kratom extracts are never as strong as the amount they are multiplied by

Indeed. Not many vendors represent their kratom extract as it really is. But that still does not change the fact that they should not do this. The argument that the whole market does this does not mean that a vendor should go along with it and misrepresent their product.

Originally Posted by razorwiredildo

While it does sound fairly outrageous and unrealistic, it is not necessarrily a scam. I believe 15x means that 15 kilos are used to make one kilo, so maybe for 250x, 250 kilos are used to make one. This doesn't sound very profitable to swim, but it makes logical to him.

Originally Posted by dreeamer

but the seller swim buys it off is a 100% reliable seller who is an experienced and regular Kratom user, so she knows her stuff.

250X means that it contains 250 times as much active substances as normal leaf has. This means it is a standardized and thus reliable product.
250:1 means that 250kg's have been used to create 1 kg of extract. The content of active substances varies.
I am certain that the above extract is neither of the above. The name is meant to lure customers into the commercially driven thought that stronger is better and this product therefore rules all. While in fact the name says nothing about the product, except that the person naming the product either does not know or at least does not follow all pure business ethics.

Originally Posted by dreeamer

The only annoying thing about this product is that it is extremely difficult to measure out the suggested dose of 0.1g accurately.

This is exactly why 50X is not stronger than 25X or even 10X. Only the dose is different. Once a potency gets beyond optimal dosage level; the higher the potency, the more difficult it gets to measure. And more difficulty to measure leads to overdoses. Who cares whether one needs 0.3 or 0.1 grams for a dose? As long as one does not have to gulp a lot of product, there is no sense in making a plant extract more concentrated.

Originally Posted by dreeamer

Another thing to take into consideration is that with the normal leaf, there will no doubt be plenty of alkaloid content that is not absorbed as it is mixed in with the other ingredients. Fibre especially can limit the amount of the product absorbed which is why jucing fruits and vegetables is such a powerful health tool as it removes the fibre, enabling better nutrient absorbtion by putting less pressure on the digestive system. If you have an extract that is virtually a pure alkaloid isolate, (as is supposedly the case with the 250x extract) theoretically at least, it is highly possible that the body would be able to absorb the alkaloids more effectively than if the same alkaloid content was consumed through the whole leaf.

Yes, depending upon the active substances involved, pure alkaloid isolates can be more effective than extracts. This does not change that labelling this extract as kratom 250X is misrepresenting this product.

[dreeamer]

Swim took the 250x extract 3 hours ago and so far he is very impressed. He took between 0.1 and 0.125. Swims tolerance is quite high, so half that amount would be the standard recommended dose. The amount was so tiny that is was easy to just put on the tongue and chase down with some water. It was by far the easiest Kratom to take he has ever tried.

The first thing he noticed was that subtle effects started coming on almost almost immediately although the full effects didn't come on for about 45 mins. The full effect certainly came on much quicker than with the leaf. The high is comparable to the best quality Kratom leafs, except it feels cleaner with no nausea. This slightly cleaner feeling did take a hour or so to get used to, but once this occured, swim settled into the feeling nicely. Another thing he noticed was that he didn't get hiccups that other Kratoms would frequently give him and eating a couple hours after consumption didn't numb the high either which was another typical problem he had experienced with all other Kratoms. As far as extracts go, swim certainly feels this is the best one he has tried, even surpassing the Ultra enhanced Indo.

[_xit_]

Originally Posted by Alfa

This is exactly why 50X is not stronger than 25X or even 10X. Only the dose is different.

I have a question regarding this. Isn't 50x stronger than 25x, because the dose is smaller?

Sorry, I don't want to add confusion to this thread. The explanations in this thread of the two - 10x AND 10:1 - are really good and helpful. Thanks for that!

xit

[AceOvArts]

SWIM has tried the 250x and it is very potent, its not a joke (if one gets it from a particular vendor) Just be warned that by using this regularly your tolerance will build quickly. (SWIM has heard it mentioned that the 250x is used to create extract blends such as UEI)

[nate81]

My friend swim bought and used 250x, likely from the same vendor though swim can't be 100% sure on that. it was a decent extract but it's NOT as potent as the name implies. also, there are more potent AND more cost effective extracts available. the 250x is not nearly worth the price swim bought it for. it is strong, but not the strongest one out there. my friend swim has tried several extracts so he can be sure subjectively. Swim wouldn't call it a scam as it does have effect, but your friend swim can make that money stretch WAAAAAAY farther with extracts.

[detoxed]

100 grams of kratom extracted to be 100x turns into 1 gram. 250 grams of kratom condensed into one gram would be 1 gram of 250x. Half a gram is basically .5 of 250x material. Seems pretty stupid to waste the time? I sell normal kratom on Ebay and my best friends buys from me also, he makes tea and 2.5 grams in a tea will seriously give you a huge buzz! Why extract at all? Just put more stuff per cup of tea and make it taste better with some sugar

[Alfa]

Originally Posted by detoxed

100 grams of kratom extracted to be 100x turns into 1 gram. 250 grams of kratom condensed into one gram would be 1 gram of 250x.

Ehm no. That would be 100:1 and 250:1
100X means 100 times as strong.

[dreeamer]

Originally Posted by detoxed

100 grams of kratom extracted to be 100x turns into 1 gram. 250 grams of kratom condensed into one gram would be 1 gram of 250x. Half a gram is basically .5 of 250x material. Seems pretty stupid to waste the time? I sell normal kratom on Ebay and my best friends buys from me also, he makes tea and 2.5 grams in a tea will seriously give you a huge buzz! Why extract at all? Just put more stuff per cup of tea and make it taste better with some sugar

2.5g of powder in a tea gives your friends a great buzz? Are you sure? Most regular users would need at least 10-15g to get a decent buzz. The only cirumstances I could see anyone getting anything from 2.5g of powder would be a first time user using either the Maeng Da or Red Vein Thai varieties and even that amount would need to be substantially increased as tolerance builds up.

Extracts can have several advantages over the whole leaf powders. The obvious advantage is that they are much easier to consume, but depending on which one you use, they can also reduce or eliminate nausea. Another problem SWIM has with the whole leaf powders is that he gets really bad hiccups which can plague him throughout the experience and this tends not to happen with certain extracts. As I said previously, the only disadvantage SWIM found with the 250x extract is that it was difficult trying to measure out the 0.1g accurately, but SWIM really wanted a set of scales that are accurate to 0.01g anyway and after an internet search, found that you can get them for next to nothing on Ebay, so when they arrive that will no longer be a problem. Extracts did have a really bad name for a long time because they were never as good as the whole leaf, but they have improved dramtically if you know the right vendors to buy from and there are some now that, in SWIMs opinion, are better.

[nate81]

for SWIM, 2.5g is a good starting place and 6 grams plain leaf bali does the trick. really.

This assumes SWIM is only using kratom for a couple weeks. Kratom plain leaf truly does have beneficial effects on opiate tolerance in SWIM's experience. But ONLY plain leaf, extracts do not acheive this effect.

[Panthers007]

Making 250X (whether it works or not) kratom and 100X Salvia is what will get these things outlawed in the USA on a Federal level. You should write a "Thanks For Fucking Us All Over" card to the manufacturers.

[nate81]

Panthers, I agree. I think it's not so much a question of the strength of the extracts as the marketing. There are better extracts than the 250X kratom (I don't follow salvia since I'm in missouri where it's been illegal for awhile).

[Handle]

What I have consistently heard, over and over, is people just saying, "If you really want a stronger experience at the best price, just use PC and use more of it"
Supposedly that works out cheaper than extracts.

I'm not talking about quality of experience, some might be more wired, some more mellow, but I agree it's all a matter of marketing.
The thing is with crap leaf, you can't be disappointed, you pay for crap, and you might need a heap, but if it's kratom, it will eventually work.

But it would suck to pay heaps for a small amount, use heaps, and still feel SFA.
Which is sadly a rather common report, I think people get their hopes up too much on extracts, many are let down.

[Alfa]

Crap leaf or Commercial leaf kratom has a higher dose which in turn gives a higher risk to nausea. But lets get back on topic and discuss kratom 250X extract.

[Handle]

OK, I have a question. Can it be snorted, or is that only suitable for ultra purified crystals?

[dwhitty76]

i know that vendors claim there products are better than they are.As an ex heroin addict and having experience w/ persian opium.I took 1g of the 250x kratom and it was like a VERY STRONG opiate high.I've drank 40gs of kratom resin tea and this 1 g Laid me out.I'm actually gonna take a little brake.I like the mixture of kratom before an elf spice session.My opiate receptors have been desensitized over the yrs. so if anyone were to try this product first start w. .2-.3 g and you can always increase.Boil up some water put the extract in a shot glass and bottoms up.You dont have to deal with massive amounts of bitter tea.Although it seems absurdly expensive,it is absurdly strong.I felt like i was on opium.Thats my story and i'm sticking w/ it.siskel and ebbert say atleast try it

[PKunit]

The 250x Extract is absolute BS .. Swim agree with Alfa.. The name says for itself (EXTRACT), so something must be extracted, right ? Not powdered in 1 gram..and 250 times is just impossible.

[AceOvArts]

PKunit, have you tried 250x ? the name and word extract means it took 250g of material to make 1g of "250x extract" Meaning they extracted 1g of goodies out of 250g orf material. Im not sure what the confusion is here. Nobody said it was 250x as strong (though that could be misinterpreted)
Believe SWIM when he says its a very strong type of Kratom extract.

[nate81]

Originally Posted by AceOvArts

PKunit, have you tried 250x ? the name and word extract means it took 250g of material to make 1g of "250x extract" Meaning they extracted 1g of goodies out of 250g orf material. Im not sure what the confusion is here. Nobody said it was 250x as strong (though that could be misinterpreted)
Believe SWIM when he says its a very strong type of Kratom extract.

yep. The use of the X is kinda confusing since X is used to multiply. A better way of saying it would be 250:1

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Good simple clear summary of difference between Ax and A:B ratings of extract potency.

[PKunit]

Still, It cant be. If I am right , then the most known Bali Kratom, 1 gram contains ca. 10mg of alkaloids. 250g= 2.5g >>Nows the question.. How can you extract ca 2.5g of alkaloids in 1g material ??.. From the other side, If you have really sh1t Kratom wich contains less than 4mg alkaloids per gram (Perhaps doesnt exist ?) maybe you could do , but would it worth it ??

[nate81]

there's no doubt in my mind that 250X is a waste of time. But there's still no reason to think that 250 grams can't become 1 gram. With things like salvia and cigarettes, they extract all the alkaloids and then put exact amounts of salvinorin A and nicotine onto the now 'empty' plant matter. Not all of the alkaloids are put back. So 250X kratom could just be 250grams' kratom in mitragynine or 7-hydroxy. That sounds cool until we realize that 250grams' worth in mitragynine would be pretty nice, but that's probably not what they are selling.

Or, even more devious, they could have taken 250grams of kratom, removed all alkaloids, seperated the mitragynine, 7-hydro, and 7-acetoxy for seperate sale. The remaining minor alkaloids could be used in the 250X. Since there are no rules keeping this stuff consistent it could contain little or no mitragynine.