Adderall like a lot of coffee?

[AsteroidChaser]

someone doesn't know what others got going for them that adderall is like a true amphetamine.

someone is actually 'precribed' 30 mg twice a day for medical reasons.

that someone can't tell the difference between a couple of cups of coffee and what is touted as a true AMP.

Is it possible that someone could be totally immune to metabolelizsing this because of killer liver emzymnes?

Also, why have "Mixed Amphetamines" in the med?

Someone is thinking that these "mixed" amps. nullify the whole damn thing.

And does anyone know what the hell amphetamine is bonded to a saccheride for?

Why not sulphate or hydrochloride?

I really think this amphetamine-sweet-n-low is a total screwup on the molecule.

That same someone 'knows' from other times in the past what it was like to travel at lightspeed.

Anyone have a clue?

~A.C.~

[staples]

Originally Posted by AsteroidChaser

someone doesn't know what others got going for them that adderall is like a true amphetamine.

First - What?
Second - adderall is LIKE a true amphetamine?

Originally Posted by AsteroidChaser

someone is actually 'precribed' 30 mg twice a day for medical reasons.

I can't understand why prescribed is in quotes if it's for medical reasons, unless I'm right in my intuition that 40mg's/day (2x20mg) is the most adderall a dr can prescribe... at least here in the US... Then again, I think they can actually prescribe 40mg's of XR and 40mg's of IR per day, and you never said XR or IR... which just confuses me over prescribed being in quotes, then.

Originally Posted by AsteroidChaser

that someone can't tell the difference between a couple of cups of coffee and what is touted as a true AMP.

Is it possible that someone could be totally immune to metabolelizsing this because of killer liver emzymnes?

When I've been asked, I usually tell people that adderall is like prescription-strength caffeine. I was prescribed a while ago for a short period so I can't really say if I'd describe it differently under consistent use -- but I do find it's a very easy way to explain it to people.

Is someone comparing adderall to cups of coffeee, or adderall to adderall+cups of coffee?
Also, how often does someone drink coffee? I've fond that I'm very sensitive to caffeine after a few years or so of very little caffeine intake (not really intentionally, I just don't like coffee and stopped drinking any soda. Never really drank tea until lately--the effects were very powerful to the point of shaking after a cup or two).

I'm not sure about the metabolism thing, I'd say tolerance first.. but 60mg/day? how long has someone been prescribed?

Originally Posted by AsteroidChaser

Also, why have "Mixed Amphetamines" in the med?

Someone is thinking that these "mixed" amps. nullify the whole damn thing.

It's a mixture of dextroamphetamine and amphetamine, why? I'm sure there are reasons which include words I've never even heard before.

Two drugs with similar mechanism of action shouldn't cancel each other out but rather potentiate each other...

[AsteroidChaser]

Well the reference to coffee is not literal.

In other words coffee IS a caffiene contributit.

But not the point here , not the desired result.

Actually caffiene is for someone as me and like most people is very annoying.

Someone being prescribed as in 'prescribed' IS literal.

And 2 times a day 30 mg.

That being said.

The someone, who is someone to me., as someone ., is a very important someone., to me; as someone.

(what?, yeah! [almost a mind-meld within a mind-meld] , or so.

Rather;
It migt be better to say...***whatever...***

As a newbee to this site "someone " finds all this third person cumbersome while at the same time , a mind pinger.

Anyway I am researching the conflict about the levo & dextro isomers.

So I hope I can help someone answer this chemical contridiction.

Sometimes individual specific liver enzymes of different people can make a difference.

We are all uniquie!

I was hoping for other input on these possibilities.

Bottom line is that adderal for a certain person is not a stimulant!

Just trying to find out why?

Thanks for you feedback on any level since a "real" condition is being addressed by that 'someone'.

~A.C.~

[staples]

Originally Posted by AsteroidChaser

Well the reference to coffee is not literal.

In other words coffee IS a caffiene contributit.

But not the point here , not the desired result.

Actually caffiene is for someone as me and like most people is very annoying.

I don't quite follow what you're saying here, caffeine is annoying to you?

Originally Posted by AsteroidChaser

The someone, who is someone to me., as someone ., is a very important someone., to me; as someone.

I like this, a lot.

Originally Posted by AsteroidChaser

It migt be better to say...***whatever...***

As a newbee to this site "someone " finds all this third person cumbersome while at the same time , a mind pinger.

Well then, first allow me to extend a humble welcome to you. I hope you find these forums as enjoyable as I do.

The use of the third person is to avoid self-incrimination. If you are indeed prescribed to 30mg adderall twice a day, you are allowed to say "I take 30mg adderall twice a day."

Note that being prescribed doesn't always mean you can use the first person. For example, to talk about using adderall somehow other than as prescribed (recreation, selling, alternative route of administration, tampering with release-mechanisms/chemical properties, etc), would be self-incriminating and you must use the third person in such cases.

Usually members use 'SWIM' which stands for 'Someone Who Isn't Me', but using 'Someone' works as well. Check out the the FAQ, particularly the sections Drug's Forum slang and right below that Various forum survival tips, as well as the forum rules if you haven't already.

If you have any questions about self-incrimination, the rule of thumb is to use the third person just to be on the safe side, as there are some gray-areas (so using 'Someone' at first was a good move on your part). You could also see if someone already asked your question or ask yourself here.

Originally Posted by AsteroidChaser

Anyway I am researching the conflict about the levo & dextro isomers.

So I hope I can help someone answer this chemical contridiction.

Sometimes individual specific liver enzymes of different people can make a difference.

We are all uniquie!

I was hoping for other input on these possibilities.

Bottom line is that adderal for a certain person is not a stimulant!

Just trying to find out why?

I don't know that the isomers conflict with each other. I believe the d-isomer is more pharmacologically active, but it's not the case that one isomer stimulates while the other depresses the CNS. I am somewhat new to pharmacology, so hopefully someone a little more versed on the subject will add his/her input. If you think that the mix of isomers is the reason that adderall isn't working well for you (I think side effects are generally attributed to the levo isomer), you might ask your doctor about dexedrine, which contains only the d-isomer.

It sounds like you've heard some great things about adderall before being diagnosed with ADHD and given adderall, but you're disappointed to find that it's *only* about as strong as caffeine for you?

If that's the case, I'd like to note that caffeine is still stimulating, not as much as adderall for most people, though. It makes sense that if you have ADHD, adderall might have a different effect on you than others--it even differs among just those with ADHD--as you say, we are all different. In other words, I don't think it has to do with differences in metabolization so much as differences in brain chemistry.

30mg's twice a day is nearing a high dose as far as theraputic use is concerned, but there are some ways to potentiate the effects, which are discussed in several threads. The general ideas, though, are to avoid acidic drinks (fruit juice, particularly the ones containing high amounts of citric acid), and to ingest an antacid (e.g, baking soda or tums) before adminstering adderal (some doctors will recommend or at least mention this, mine did).

I've also heard one should avoid sugar because the crash can counter adderall's (and I think caffeine's) effects--that is, some people choose drinks like mountain dew to potentiate adderall due to the caffeine content, but the large amount of sugar is actually detrimental--it would be better to use an energy blend or some supplements: L-Tyrosine seems to be a good potentiator--it's an amino acid used to build dopamine. I've also heard L-Phenylalanine, which is used to build dopamine as well as phenethylamines, and vitamin B6, which is used to aid the process of building dopamine. I'm not all too sure about those supplement facts, but that's how I understand it.

I hope that helps. Best of luck in your treatment!

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by staples

I can't understand why prescribed is in quotes if it's for medical reasons, unless I'm right in my intuition that 40mg's/day (2x20mg) is the most adderall a dr can prescribe... at least here in the US... Then again, I think they can actually prescribe 40mg's of XR and 40mg's of IR per day, and you never said XR or IR... which just confuses me over prescribed being in quotes, then.

Prescribers aren't supposed to prescribe over a certain amount of a drug per day, but they can and sometimes do (with other drugs than adderall as well of course). The pharmacy won't call to complain that a patient is getting over the max recommended limit, so its pretty much up to the doctor's discretion.

[staples]

Originally Posted by Bajeda

Prescribers aren't supposed to prescribe over a certain amount of a drug per day, but they can and sometimes do (with other drugs than adderall as well of course). The pharmacy won't call to complain that a patient is getting over the max recommended limit, so its pretty much up to the doctor's discretion.

Won't the insurance? My doctor cautioned me that some insurance companies refuse to pay for more than 14 days worth of ambien (well, this was before CR started being approved for long-term treatment). Luckily mine didn't, but when it comes to dosage/day as opposed to doses total, I would think there would be more restrictions on the former? Unless these are for purely business reasons, because then the later costs more...

[Bajeda]

The amount of doses you can give out is more likely to be regulated as with some drugs there is chance of overdose (so prescribers try to reduce the potential for recreational use or intentional overdose by giving less at a time, or at least that is the stated reason), and people worry that if you can fill as many doses as you'd like it is easier to get into the business of selling prescription drugs (perhaps scamming doctors would be easier too, as you could get your year prescription and then peace out and find another doctor who will give you another script).

I don't know about insurance for going over the dose limit, but multiple people taking doses of meds above the stated daily limit that my panda knew didn't seem to have trouble with it. (trouble with insurance that is, being prescribed far over the max dose of venlafaxine caused plenty of trouble for some!).

[staples]

I see, thanks for the clarification.

So as to not steal the thread: AsteroidChaser - Did I understand you correctly in my post earlier? Or did you mean something else?