The Psychedelic head fuck!!

[greenman420]

Is lsd the only psychedelic that brings about the loss of reality? To me this was the best part about tripping. The feeling of not being yourself, forgetting about who you are and how to act even around you partents.. Watching movies from another dimension, listening to music in another state of mind, forgetting who you are and yet pretending to be someone else all night,





All these other psychelelics never did that too me. I always thought that tripping was what I described above.... Not just visuals and a body buzz, but completly blown out of your mind to the point of no control. Call me fuckin hardcore, call me insane, but that was the best part of tripping.

[HippieD9]

Originally Posted by greenman420

Call me fuckin hardcore, call me insane, but that was the best part of tripping.

You're fuckin hardcore! No, but seriously, I know what you mean. If that's really what you're looking for, you might want to look into 2c-i, or really 5-MeO-DMT or DMT for what you're looking for. You want to talk about loss of reality?





Peace,


D.

[greenman420]

From what I read the 2C's are more eye candy/ body buzz with no head fuck.





But DMT/5-MeO-DMT seems to be where it's at. Also some people have recommended 5-MeO-AMT but dunno how I would handle the load.


From what I heard dpt can knock you on your ass and have heard from people that it can be as intense as an lsd trip in the headfuck sort of way. Dunno though, would have to try it some day to find out for myself.....

[sunyata]

Yeah, smoked DMT should definetely get you there. Or a high dose of mushrooms, 5 grams plus(cubensis),Ketamineshould also get you there, haven't tried it myself, but it sounds quite interesting.Or Salvia, or wait...what do you mean by "all the other psychedelics", which ones? Your problem may have been the dosage or something, 2grams of shrooms is very different from 5grams. Personally I've allways prefered mushrooms over LSD, with shroomsI feel likesomeone isinside my mind, and I likethis someone(sometimes there's many of them). With LSD Idon't feel like this, it feels like it's just my own mind unfolding itself, and yes I have tried high doses of both. But that's a matter of preferance, I can see why some people prefer acidover shrooms also. This probably answered nothing of what you wanted to know.

[HippieD9]

The 2c's will fuck your head up bad around 30-35mg. This is a really high dose, but ya wanted to know. I've seen it happen, trust me.





Peace,


D.Edited by: HippieD9

[greenman420]

High dosages of mushrooms puts me more in a drunken state of mind rather then a loss of reality.





Salvia sounds interesting too, haven't gotten around to that one yet either....


I must admit there's quite a few on my list of psychedelics before I go knocking them off, but LSD is the only one that seemed to hit the spot so to speak. Most defintly the most fun I've had and the most intense, scary drug I've had.

[Curtains]

loss of reality try a 3rd-4th plateau DXM trip gets me everytime

[anj0vis]

try high dose of 2c-e, miprocin or iprocin and you might be satisfied.

[geordie]

i would definatly say LSD is one of the most head-fucking drugs. i never know how long ive been sitting in room for. infact time itself gets so twisted on LSD i have no idea what time i took how long ive been on it for or anything. if what you asking is are there any drugs to get me even more fucked up than acid then the short answer would have to be yes. DMT and datura will take your far beyond anywere acid has ever taken you. bare in mind that i dont recomend taking either of these drugs just to "get fucked up". infact, i dont recomend datura for anything, stay away from it, you'll probably end up in hospital, jail or sleeping on the road somewere miles from your starting point. if your in the right situation and feel comfortable about it then taking DMT is worth a try. i find that RC's tend to be pretty clear mentaly so these are probable not what your looking for. high mushroom doses (start low) are pretty mental and so are disociatives. good luck

[HippieD9]

He didn't say he wanted to get fuck up, he said he wanted a loss of reality That's more along the lines of the search for the ego-death, which is sought by some of the most experianced trippers. Shulgins magical ++++, ya know? I still say 5-meo or normal DMT would be the best for this.





Peace,


D.

[anj0vis]

forgot to mention, 5-meo-dmt and salvia are the most remarkable mental transformations there are, but very different in nature than lsd. But there is truth behind the claim that high-dose lsd experiences are hard to pass, since lsd happens to be one of the most potent 5ht2 ligand, agonist and it binds to dozens of receptors tightly, instead of just 5ht2a where most other mainly work. I would like to see a blind test of different psychedelics with different doses to see if they have any significant subjective difference or is it just set + setting related.

[Joaspah]

Try a large dose of Iboga

[Peyote]

I have to agree with you greenman..Hence why I am bit scared of taking LSD. I've tried Salvia (5x and 10x..10x didn't work well 5 did, but ehm..well it was weird)Mescaline and Mushrooms and with those you know where you at and what you're doing. With LSD you don't, I think..Well a "mindfucker" describes LSD pretty well I guess..

[Peyote]

BTW..


You can do crazy stuff on LSD without realising what you're doing, and that's worrest part imho..


Going to your neighbour and talkin nasty to him for instance I mean you need a sitter, you need a place where you can crush for at least 20 hours and the sitter must be with you for 20 hours...

[windtraveler]

Have never tried LSD, but i'll tell you what, 100 mg DPT pretty much destroyed my reality. I'll never forget sitting on the floor and staring at the corner wall, seeing it pulse and vibrate with vains, thinking that this was the center of the world. Basically just frying away. Ha ha. The friend that i was with, who was far more experienced than i was, said that for him DPT was much stronger than LSD.

Of course 5-MeO-DMT will also knock you on your ass, literally.

[greenman420]

Originally Posted by HippieD9

He didn't say he wanted to get fuck up, he said he wanted a loss of reality That's more along the lines of the search for the ego-death, which is sought by some of the most experianced trippers. Shulgins magical ++++, ya know? I still say 5-meo or normal DMT would be the best for this.





Peace,


D.

Exactly!! It's not a trip, unless you take a trip from your mind and reality. Visuals and body buzzes isn't what tripping is all about.

[greenman420]

Originally Posted by Peyote

I have to agree with you greenman..Hence why I am bit scared of taking LSD. I've tried Salvia (5x and 10x..10x didn't work well 5 did, but ehm..well it was weird)Mescaline and Mushrooms and with those you know where you at and what you're doing. With LSD you don't, I think..Well a "mindfucker" describes LSD pretty well I guess..

A good way to get into it is watch a movie during your peak. You will become one with the movie and when it's over you'll want to watch it again....

[AZMEO2]

Read about ayahuasca.. If you are looking for a head fuck.. But it by no means is something to mess around with. It make LSD look like a walk in the park..

Smoking 5-meo and DMT might be the most extreme "head fuck", but it
doesn't last more than a few minutes. Dude sounds more like he wants
something that lasts long enough to watch most of a movie on, or listen
to most of an album at least. IMO, there's nothing quite like LSD for a
long-lasting evening of having your head cracked open. 2C-T-7 comes
kinda close. 2C-E at high doses, but in a VERY different way. There's
other stuff that will get you there but none of it lasts as long or
gets quite as deep as acid.

[Lacognac69]

So is ayahuasca a pretty crazy experience than? Doesn't it contain DMT and other stuff like that or am i mistaken. Also, is it a short kind of trip or a real long one. I have read a little about it and It sounds like its a combination of a MAO inhibitor alkaloid containing plant and something with dmt. Definitely sounds like a ride.

[sunyata]

Correct, it's a mix of MAOi's and usually DMT, but sometimes also 5-meo-DMT. Some shamans add other plants as well, like Brugmansia, but this is not recommended since Brugmansia can be lethal, I've only tried Ayahuascha 3 times and it's the most visual psychedelic I've tried, with my eyes closed I could see my eyelids!I thought it was just some vision of a big wall, but after a while it became clear that it was just my eyelids. It's not a good choice as a party drug, because you tend to vomit in the beginning and, depending on dose, loose your ability to coordinate movements, I find it best to lie down and listen to some ambient music. Theeffects were somewhat comparable to mushrooms, but more visual and calm(except that one time when I freaked out) and steady.

[anj0vis]

has any of you psychonauts tried 5-meo-mipt (moxy) in high-doses? I wonder if that can bring you to similar space too.. miprocin works very well so I wonder if 5-meo analogue has this property as well.

[GDxCAT]

of the rc's the ones that produce the loss of reality headfuck are 2ct7, 2ce, 4ho mipt and dpt.